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Remember all the weeping and wailing about grades, affirmative action and college entry requirements?
Remember how sure most whites are that every black student in a Ivy league University got there at the expense of some white kid?
Well looky..looky here!! Study shows when whites are pitted against their Asian counter-part ...guess what ....GRADES are suddenly not sssoo important!!
White definitions of merit and admissions change when they think about Asian Americans, study finds | Inside Higher Ed
Critics of affirmative action generally argue that the country would be better off with a meritocracy, typically defined as an admissions system where high school grades and standardized test scores are the key factors, applied in the same way to applicants of all races and ethnicities.
But what if they think they favor meritocracy but at some level actually have a flexible definition, depending on which groups would be helped by certain policies? Frank L. Samson, assistant professor of sociology at the University of Miami, thinks his new research findings suggest that the definition of meritocracy used by white people is far more fluid than many would admit, and that this fluidity results in white people favoring certain policies (and groups) over others.
Specifically, he found, in a survey of white California adults, they generally favor admissions policies that place a high priority on high school grade-point averages and standardized test scores. But when these white people are focused on the success of Asian-American students, their views change.:lamo
The white adults in the survey were also divided into two groups. Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state.
When informed of that fact, the white adults favor a reduced role for grade and test scores in admissions -- apparently based on high achievement levels by Asian-American applicants. (Nationally, Asian average total scores on the three parts of the SAT best white average scores by 1,641 to 1,578 this year.)
Haha. All I can think of is UCLA:
University of Caucasians Lost among Asians
HAHH
No.Remember all the weeping and wailing about grades, affirmative action and college entry requirements?
Remember how sure most whites are that every black student in a Ivy league University got there at the expense of some white kid?
Well looky..looky here!! Study shows when whites are pitted against their Asian counter-part ...guess what ....GRADES are suddenly not sssoo important!!
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The problem is economics. When a married couple have to have two incomes just to make it paycheck to paycheck in America....and folk from other countries have many necessities that WE pay for given to them through the public coffers.....it allows for a.much more stable homelife and chances to excel.
Parents are generally too damned tired and stressed out to be dealing with their kid's issues in many cases. The problem isn't in our education system...it's in our economic system.
It's easy to.point the finger at public education and say" they're not doing enough"...but it's harder to point the ti ger at yourself and say "I'M not doing enough".....especially when between you and your spouse, you've been working 60+ hours a week EACH just to keep a roof over your head and food on the table.
Yeah, that sounds good. Let's go with that one.
(snicker!)
Some white folks are selfish too? I am shocked!
Snicker all you want. For every Dudley-do-right household that somehow manages to go the extra mile, there is a hundred that is incapable of doing so....for whatever reason. Education/intelligence oof the parents....the physicality of the parent's job....mental stress and strain....whatever.
Do you want someone to.point the finger at(Asians) or real reasons and solutions as to why we're falling behind?
Teachers can't be the end all/be all. You have to have sound households too.
It almost sounds like you're implying that Asians have a social and economic advantage that translates into higher test scores and a competitive advantage, academically.
Have I got that right?
I am saying that their parents are more involved...and yes, that has a lot to do with socioeconomic standing.
Remember all the weeping and wailing about grades, affirmative action and college entry requirements?
Remember how sure most whites are that every black student in a Ivy league University got there at the expense of some white kid?
Well looky..looky here!! Study shows when whites are pitted against their Asian counter-part ...guess what ....GRADES are suddenly not sssoo important!!
White definitions of merit and admissions change when they think about Asian Americans, study finds | Inside Higher Ed
Critics of affirmative action generally argue that the country would be better off with a meritocracy, typically defined as an admissions system where high school grades and standardized test scores are the key factors, applied in the same way to applicants of all races and ethnicities.
But what if they think they favor meritocracy but at some level actually have a flexible definition, depending on which groups would be helped by certain policies? Frank L. Samson, assistant professor of sociology at the University of Miami, thinks his new research findings suggest that the definition of meritocracy used by white people is far more fluid than many would admit, and that this fluidity results in white people favoring certain policies (and groups) over others.
Specifically, he found, in a survey of white California adults, they generally favor admissions policies that place a high priority on high school grade-point averages and standardized test scores. But when these white people are focused on the success of Asian-American students, their views change.:lamo
The white adults in the survey were also divided into two groups. Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state.
When informed of that fact, the white adults favor a reduced role for grade and test scores in admissions -- apparently based on high achievement levels by Asian-American applicants. (Nationally, Asian average total scores on the three parts of the SAT best white average scores by 1,641 to 1,578 this year.)
Do the same considerations apply to low test scores for black kids?
What does color have to do with it? IMO, the poorer and less educated the parents, the more the odds are stacked against the.children of those parents.....regardless of color.
In other words....if the racial demographics of the United States were reversed....you.would find similar statistics regardless.
Remember all the weeping and wailing about grades, affirmative action and college entry requirements?
Remember how sure most whites are that every black student in a Ivy league University got there at the expense of some white kid?
Well looky..looky here!! Study shows when whites are pitted against their Asian counter-part ...guess what ....GRADES are suddenly not sssoo important!!
White definitions of merit and admissions change when they think about Asian Americans, study finds | Inside Higher Ed
Critics of affirmative action generally argue that the country would be better off with a meritocracy, typically defined as an admissions system where high school grades and standardized test scores are the key factors, applied in the same way to applicants of all races and ethnicities.
But what if they think they favor meritocracy but at some level actually have a flexible definition, depending on which groups would be helped by certain policies? Frank L. Samson, assistant professor of sociology at the University of Miami, thinks his new research findings suggest that the definition of meritocracy used by white people is far more fluid than many would admit, and that this fluidity results in white people favoring certain policies (and groups) over others.
Specifically, he found, in a survey of white California adults, they generally favor admissions policies that place a high priority on high school grade-point averages and standardized test scores. But when these white people are focused on the success of Asian-American students, their views change.:lamo
The white adults in the survey were also divided into two groups. Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state.
When informed of that fact, the white adults favor a reduced role for grade and test scores in admissions -- apparently based on high achievement levels by Asian-American applicants. (Nationally, Asian average total scores on the three parts of the SAT best white average scores by 1,641 to 1,578 this year.)
The problem is economics. When a married couple have to have two incomes just to make it paycheck to paycheck in America....and folk from other countries have many necessities that WE pay for given to them through the public coffers.....it allows for a.much more stable homelife and chances to excel.
Parents are generally too damned tired and stressed out to be dealing with their kid's issues in many cases. The problem isn't in our education system...it's in our economic system.
It's easy to.point the finger at public education and say" they're not doing enough"...but it's harder to point the ti ger at yourself and say "I'M not doing enough".....especially when between you and your spouse, you've been working 60+ hours a week EACH just to keep a roof over your head and food on the table.
please tell us you forgot to indicate this was intended to be a sarcastic post
that you did not attempt to convince us that those without means who come from foreign lands to settle in the USA have it easier than Americans who are here by right of birth
It's easy to.point the finger at public education and say" they're not doing enough"...but it's harder to point the the finger at yourself and say "I'M not doing enough".....especially when between you and your spouse, you've been working 60+ hours a week EACH just to keep a roof over your head and food on the table.
The problem is economics. When a married couple have to have two incomes just to make it paycheck to paycheck in America....and folk from other countries have many necessities that WE pay for given to them through the public coffers.....it allows for a.much more stable homelife and chances to excel.
Parents are generally too damned tired and stressed out to be dealing with their kid's issues in many cases. The problem isn't in our education system...it's in our economic system.
It's easy to.point the finger at public education and say" they're not doing enough"...but it's harder to point the ti ger at yourself and say "I'M not doing enough".....especially when between you and your spouse, you've been working 60+ hours a week EACH just to keep a roof over your head and food on the table.
it's California...meritocracy isn't exactly a widespread belief out there.
Actually ...I would expect this attitude among whites to more likely be displayed in the south.
Like I said ...whites more than any group ...strongly favors their ..affirmative action.
When they were clearly the majority in the south....who came up with the ..."count the jelly beans in the bottle ...ruse?
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