• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Did Erdogan knew the sail would be violent?

alexa

DP Veteran
Joined
May 14, 2009
Messages
4,684
Reaction score
1,340
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Bull**** dector again

Dector.gif



This man is a Us Veteran, and is one of the people that were named in the supposed terrorist ties list.So I call bull **** on this.

He comes over a lot better on video than in the article I saw. I retract the word 'boasting' I have used about what he said.
 
Last edited:

Tashah

wʜɪтe яussɪaи
DP Veteran
Joined
May 25, 2005
Messages
18,379
Reaction score
9,228
Location
ישראל • אמריקה
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Centrist
This man is a Us Veteran, and is one of the people that were named in the supposed terrorist ties list. So I call bull **** on this.
Your belief that a US veteran can do no wrong is disingenuous and an outright fallacy.

Steven Green was a US veteran also (discharged) when he was convicted of raping/killing a 16 year old Iraqi girl and killing her sister and parents. He is currently serving four life terms in Leavenworth. I would also say that many felons in the prison system have military experience.

Moderator's Warning:
And another thing. Stop using the BS-meter image in this forum.
 

CrazyMcCool

Member
Joined
Jun 1, 2010
Messages
233
Reaction score
78
Location
Israel
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
Wait where was this shot? 0-0

why does he have blood on his face.

Also once you are a US citizen i thought you are not allowed another citizenship/passport? ( or am I wrong)

Its just kind of strange
 

Apocalypse

DEATH TO ANTARCTICA!!!
DP Veteran
Joined
May 14, 2009
Messages
19,789
Reaction score
6,223
Location
Israel
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
Then you are misreading me. For a start not everything I have said is concerned with what activists say and when it is it is because of a particular point, so that is not true. It is particularly untrue with regard to 'that Kenneth guy', below, because if you read what I said properly you would have seen that it was because of the fact that he was speaking about his part in disarming soldiers which made me give what you wrote more thought. You also, perhaps this comes from translation or perhaps you are just choosing to misread me, but just because I quote something does not mean I am saying it is true or untrue, I am simply quoting what the person says. I am still involved in my own investigation and learning.
I am absolutely not misreading you. I have understood you, your words and your intentions to their full extent.
If you have proof of 'that Kenneth guy' attacking soldiers with knives and crowbars of course you will be able to present this.
By 'them' I was referring to the violent mob that this Kenneth was part of.
As I have already said he has already spoken of disarming soldiers. He has not said he was uninvolved, though yes, he said he did not harm the soldiers he disarmed. Now you have made a definite point. This will need to be proved. We all know that there was a fight. We just do not know why.
Key words being "he has said".
If I believed I was about to be killed, would I fight even though I was supposed to just sit there and die if need be. I do not know. I am not Ghandi.
Which is why the Israeli soldiers have returned fire.
The activists, however, have had no sane reason to believe that they would be killed.
If the IDF wanted them killed, they would be dead before they understood what happens.
There is absolutely no sane reason to believe those were the activists thoughts.
That is something you refuse to understand. It is extremely important what the people on the boat believed the situation to be, more important than what the situation was.
I do not think that there is a doubt to what a person that chooses to attack soldiers with knives and crowbars think. I honestly do not think you're fooling anyone.
I have also said and left link to listening to a previous boat the Arion and hearing them being told in no uncertain terms that they would be fired on.
Again, you're not fooling anyone.
This is an international procedure. To warn the ship to stop, when it doesn't, warn it to stop or else it would be attacked.
Just two days ago I was watching a show on the Discovery channel about border security.
An Australian navy ship was chasing a ship suspected with drugs smuggling, ordering to stop immediately and allow the Australian navy soldiers to board the ship.
When it was ignored they've issued another warning saying "stop immediately or you will be shot".
Then you and the rest of the 'objective' world would be no good in courts of law.
Absolutely not, it is you and people that promote such illogical claims that would not be given a hearing in a court of law.
It is not sufficient just to say someone is guilty of something, you have to prove it.
I have zero doubts that the evidence, which is more than sufficient for the rational person, would be sufficient to accuse the activists with the intent to murder in a court of law.
A person for instance fighting for his life is not the same as someone fighting because he has a desire to hurt someone. They are too entirely different situations.
It is crystal clear what the intentions of the activists were.
Indeed there are a great number of options. At the current moment on what I know now, those are the two most likely. If further evidence was produced, I might change my mind but it so far has not been.
The most likely option so far is that they have attacked the soldiers with the intent to kill them.
Maybe, maybe not. I certainly have seen nothing yet to make me come to that conclusion. No Israeli died. 9 of them died with multiple gunshot wounds. Perhaps they were as they say just trying to protect themselves.
How is it relevant that no Israeli has died if two Israelis were seriously injured?
How does it matter if the soldiers' lives were entirely dependent on the doctors' aid?
How does it matter when two soldiers were shot with live bullets?
How does it matter when soldiers were stabbed?
The intent to murder is crystal clear here.
You would not get a job in a court of law in our country.
And that would have nothing to do with my sense of logic, but rather with my current profession.
And still I do not doubt that my chances to get such a job in your country are still way, way higher than yours.
We still have not seen the beginning of the fighting
We did. The footage covers it.
 

CrazyMcCool

Member
Joined
Jun 1, 2010
Messages
233
Reaction score
78
Location
Israel
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
I have dual citizenship - US/Israeli

Yeah so do I.
But I was born in Israel and spent 6 years in the USA ( from 4th to the end of 9th grade) my mom and dad passed the test so I also got citizenship. But I was told once you get ur US citizenship you are not allowed to get a new one, unless you drop your US citizenship, but you can keep the ones you had before.

So I am confused as to how was it legal for him to even get a palastinain passport :)
 

RyrineaHaruno

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2009
Messages
1,827
Reaction score
409
Location
Humble Texas
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Liberal
Wait where was this shot? 0-0

why does he have blood on his face.

Also once you are a US citizen i thought you are not allowed another citizenship/passport? ( or am I wrong)

Its just kind of strange
duel citiz
Nope you can have citizenship ^^, and he dropped his Us citizenship once he got the Irish citizenship.


Tasha(sp?) I realized that some can do wrong thought the IDF picked someone who is well know in the non violence movement, so they picked someone with the wrong background history. And the other ones they picked as terrorist kind of smell fishy too. I didn't think the bull**** meter was against the rules you have my apologizes for using it. http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11514&p=44091 Human shield action to Iraq is lead by Ken O'Kefee

CrazyMccool
He was beaten by the commandos at least that is what he said happened for disarming them, because they were shooting at people who were civilians
When you go to the website you will noticed it a Alex Jones site, and I do watch him for the lulz Plus I think he does damn good reporting about these type of thing unlike most of the American Media even thought I think he can be a little bit crazy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield_action_to_Iraq
 
Last edited:

RyrineaHaruno

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 17, 2009
Messages
1,827
Reaction score
409
Location
Humble Texas
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Liberal
I know you can, but once you get a US citizenship you cant get a UK one or an irish one, unless you had one before..
Or am I missing something.

I gave you a better explation once I found out more on this in the same post.
 

alexa

DP Veteran
Joined
May 14, 2009
Messages
4,684
Reaction score
1,340
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
I realized that some can do wrong thought the IDF picked someone who is well know in the non violence movement, so they picked someone with the wrong background history. And the other ones they picked as terrorist kind of smell fishy too.
think he can be a little bit crazy.

The only other one I hvae so far checked is Fatima Mohammadi, who is an American lawyer from Chicago. According to her they got the information on her quite wrong.

Two Activists Describe Raid and Deny Israeli Claim They Are ‘Terrorist Operatives’ - The Lede Blog - NYTimes.com

Does sound a bit strange.
 

Tashah

wʜɪтe яussɪaи
DP Veteran
Joined
May 25, 2005
Messages
18,379
Reaction score
9,228
Location
ישראל • אמריקה
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Centrist
okay thanks :)
Our cases are different. I was born in the United States. As a minor, you automatically became a US citizen when your parents were granted US citizenship. In your case, you also retain the citizenship of your birth country (Israel). You should check with both the US Department of State and the US Immigration Service if you should wish to obtain the citizenship of yet a third country. As a citizen of both the US and Israel, you can legally possess both passports.
 

donsutherland1

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 17, 2007
Messages
11,829
Reaction score
10,253
Location
New York
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
In terms of the IHH, the Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS) published a report entitled "The Role of Islamic Charities in International Terrorist Recruitment and Financing." The report claims that the IHH has links to extremist organizations, including Al Qaeda.

The report can be found at: http://www.diis.dk/graphics/Publications/WP2006/DIIS WP 2006-7.web.pdf (See pp.10-14 of the document or pp.14-18 of the .pdf).

I'm not very familiar with the author of the report. Although he is not affiliated with any well-established universities/colleges nor is he part of the Intelligence/counterterrorism community, he has written a book entitled Al-Qaida's Jihad in Europe: The Afghan-Bosnian Network (favorably reviewed in Political Science Quarterly and generally favorably reviewed in The International Journal of Middle East Studies), has been published in Foreign Affairs, and has lectured before various law enforcement and counterterrorism entities. In the review published in The International Journal of Middle East Studies," it is noted that there are "numerous factual errors" e.g., the Kohlmann revers to the Bosnia conflict as a "civil war" (I do, too, as it was a war that resulted when Yugoslavia broke up, but the objection is purely a technical one with the reviewer arguing that the Bosnia war concerned aggression). The reviewer also notes that other errors concern names and events, but the overall substance is well-researched. Finally, the reviewer concludes:

More importantly, Kohlmann's work should be regarded as a major contribution to the ongoing discussion concerning measures that ought to be taken with regard to the acute problem of Islamic terrorism. It tells us that the best way to deal with militant Islam is the political one, as Bosnia is proof that radical Islam has been decisively fed by the regional conflicts involving unjust treatment of Muslims. As the author stresses, al-Qa[hamza ]ida was allowed (and indeed, invited) to come to Bosnia due to the failure of the West to prevent genocide against the Bosnian Muslims. (It seems contradictory that Kohlmann criticizes the Clinton administration's tacit approval of Islamic shipments of weapons to Bosnia aimed at helping the Bosnian Muslims.) Therefore, the book is strongly recommended to the world's statesmen to inform them that they should solve the protracted conflicts in Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir, and Xinjiang in a just way. Of course, specialists in Islamic terrorism should read the book, too.

Finally, the Centre for European Policy Studies describes DIIS as follows:

The Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS) is an independent research institution engaged in research in international affairs. The institute draws up reports and analyses and follows developments in international affairs continuously in order to assess the security and foreign policy situation of Denmark, e.g. aspects of relevance with regard to development policy. DIIS also communicates research findings, analyses and knowledge and performs functions concerning documentation, information and library services. Furthermore, DIIS contributes to the education of researchers, supports the development of research capacity in developing countries and establishes contacts between Danish and international research environments.

In the end, even as I was not very familiar with the report's author, the reviews, his being published in the widely-respected journal Foreign Affairs, and the credibility of the DIIS suggest that his piece cannot be dismissed outright as propaganda. In short, the issues raised in the DIIS paper concerning the IHH are matters of concern and, if the inquiry into the flotilla incident is to be thorough, the IHH's role should be examined.
 
Last edited:

alexa

DP Veteran
Joined
May 14, 2009
Messages
4,684
Reaction score
1,340
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
I am absolutely not misreading you. I have understood you, your words and your intentions to their full extent.
By 'them' I was referring to the violent mob that this Kenneth was part of.
Key words being "he has said".
Which is why the Israeli soldiers have returned fire.
The activists, however, have had no sane reason to believe that they would be killed.
If the IDF wanted them killed, they would be dead before they understood what happens.
There is absolutely no sane reason to believe those were the activists thoughts.
I do not think that there is a doubt to what a person that chooses to attack soldiers with knives and crowbars think. I honestly do not think you're fooling anyone.
Again, you're not fooling anyone.
This is an international procedure. To warn the ship to stop, when it doesn't, warn it to stop or else it would be attacked.
Just two days ago I was watching a show on the Discovery channel about border security.
An Australian navy ship was chasing a ship suspected with drugs smuggling, ordering to stop immediately and allow the Australian navy soldiers to board the ship.
When it was ignored they've issued another warning saying "stop immediately or you will be shot".
Absolutely not, it is you and people that promote such illogical claims that would not be given a hearing in a court of law.
I have zero doubts that the evidence, which is more than sufficient for the rational person, would be sufficient to accuse the activists with the intent to murder in a court of law.
It is crystal clear what the intentions of the activists were.
The most likely option so far is that they have attacked the soldiers with the intent to kill them.
How is it relevant that no Israeli has died if two Israelis were seriously injured?
How does it matter if the soldiers' lives were entirely dependent on the doctors' aid?
How does it matter when two soldiers were shot with live bullets?
How does it matter when soldiers were stabbed?
The intent to murder is crystal clear here.
And that would have nothing to do with my sense of logic, but rather with my current profession.
And still I do not doubt that my chances to get such a job in your country are still way, way higher than yours.
We did. The footage covers it.

There isn't imo any point in replying to this, You believe that your/official Israel stance is the only one. There is no room for debate. A lot including the legal which you say is opposed by Edward Peck, retired US ambassador, but hey, Apocalypse, shut your ears tight, there is only your/official view. Sounds awfully like brainwashing to me. Enjoy.

The link you will not bother to listen too - he is at the end or you may get straight to him, unsure, but it would not matter, no need for you to listen, For you one possibility only.

Israel's Explanation for Deadly Gaza Aid Attack "Full of Holes as a Window Screen" - Former US Ambassador Edward Peck
 

Gardener

free market communist
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 5, 2005
Messages
26,657
Reaction score
15,927
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
In terms of the IHH, the Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS) published a report entitled "The Role of Islamic Charities in International Terrorist Recruitment and Financing." The report claims that the IHH has links to extremist organizations, including Al Qaeda.

The report can be found at: http://www.diis.dk/graphics/Publications/WP2006/DIIS WP 2006-7.web.pdf (See pp.10-14 of the document or pp.14-18 of the .pdf).

I'm not very familiar with the author of the report. Although he is not affiliated with any well-established universities/colleges nor is he part of the Intelligence/counterterrorism community, he has written a book entitled Al-Qaida's Jihad in Europe: The Afghan-Bosnian Network (favorably reviewed in Political Science Quarterly and generally favorably reviewed in The International Journal of Middle East Studies), has been published in Foreign Affairs, and has lectured before various law enforcement and counterterrorism entities. In the review published in The International Journal of Middle East Studies," it is noted that there are "numerous factual errors" e.g., the Kohlmann revers to the Bosnia conflict as a "civil war" (I do, too, as it was a war that resulted when Yugoslavia broke up, but the objection is purely a technical one with the reviewer arguing that the Bosnia war concerned aggression). The reviewer also notes that other errors concern names and events, but the overall substance is well-researched. Finally, the reviewer concludes:

More importantly, Kohlmann's work should be regarded as a major contribution to the ongoing discussion concerning measures that ought to be taken with regard to the acute problem of Islamic terrorism. It tells us that the best way to deal with militant Islam is the political one, as Bosnia is proof that radical Islam has been decisively fed by the regional conflicts involving unjust treatment of Muslims. As the author stresses, al-Qa[hamza ]ida was allowed (and indeed, invited) to come to Bosnia due to the failure of the West to prevent genocide against the Bosnian Muslims. (It seems contradictory that Kohlmann criticizes the Clinton administration's tacit approval of Islamic shipments of weapons to Bosnia aimed at helping the Bosnian Muslims.) Therefore, the book is strongly recommended to the world's statesmen to inform them that they should solve the protracted conflicts in Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir, and Xinjiang in a just way. Of course, specialists in Islamic terrorism should read the book, too.

Finally, the Centre for European Policy Studies describes DIIS as follows:

The Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS) is an independent research institution engaged in research in international affairs. The institute draws up reports and analyses and follows developments in international affairs continuously in order to assess the security and foreign policy situation of Denmark, e.g. aspects of relevance with regard to development policy. DIIS also communicates research findings, analyses and knowledge and performs functions concerning documentation, information and library services. Furthermore, DIIS contributes to the education of researchers, supports the development of research capacity in developing countries and establishes contacts between Danish and international research environments.

In the end, even as I was not very familiar with the report's author, the reviews, his being published in the widely-respected journal Foreign Affairs, and the credibility of the DIIS suggest that his piece cannot be dismissed outright as propaganda. In short, the issues raised in the DIIS paper concerning the IHH are matters of concern and, if the inquiry into the flotilla incident is to be thorough, the IHH's role should be examined.


There you go again, Donald, using legitimate sources instead of youtube videos, clips from Iranian state news or hate sites. :shock:
 

Apocalypse

DEATH TO ANTARCTICA!!!
DP Veteran
Joined
May 14, 2009
Messages
19,789
Reaction score
6,223
Location
Israel
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
There isn't imo any point in replying to this, You believe that your/official Israel stance is the only one. There is no room for debate. A lot including the legal which you say is opposed by Edward Peck, retired US ambassador, but hey, Apocalypse, shut your ears tight, there is only your/official view. Sounds awfully like brainwashing to me. Enjoy.
I think you're one of the most brainwashed people in this forum.
I find it ridiculous that you're claiming I'm being brainwashed when I'm trying to point towards the evidence regarding the incident, while you're simply repeating opinions by the activists that were on board of the violent ship.
It is a desperate attempt to promote that which is false.
Truth is at my highest of interests, and as long as you'll choose to object it and deny that which is obvious, that which is backed up with evidence, that which is logical - the clashes between us will continue, naturally.
 
Last edited:

ecofarm

global liberation
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 4, 2010
Messages
119,445
Reaction score
34,927
Location
Miami
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I'm genuinely impressed by Apocalypse and Gardener in this thread. Good show, gentlemen.



I don't think Erdogan knew with absolute certainty. At least, I hope not.
 
Last edited:

alexa

DP Veteran
Joined
May 14, 2009
Messages
4,684
Reaction score
1,340
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
In terms of the IHH, the Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS) published a report entitled "The Role of Islamic Charities in International Terrorist Recruitment and Financing." The report claims that the IHH has links to extremist organizations, including Al Qaeda.

The report can be found at: http://www.diis.dk/graphics/Publications/WP2006/DIIS WP 2006-7.web.pdf (See pp.10-14 of the document or pp.14-18 of the .pdf).

I'm not very familiar with the author of the report. Although he is not affiliated with any well-established universities/colleges nor is he part of the Intelligence/counterterrorism community, he has written a book entitled Al-Qaida's Jihad in Europe: The Afghan-Bosnian Network (favorably reviewed in Political Science Quarterly and generally favorably reviewed in The International Journal of Middle East Studies), has been published in Foreign Affairs, and has lectured before various law enforcement and counterterrorism entities. In the review published in The International Journal of Middle East Studies," it is noted that there are "numerous factual errors" e.g., the Kohlmann revers to the Bosnia conflict as a "civil war" (I do, too, as it was a war that resulted when Yugoslavia broke up, but the objection is purely a technical one with the reviewer arguing that the Bosnia war concerned aggression). The reviewer also notes that other errors concern names and events, but the overall substance is well-researched. Finally, the reviewer concludes:

More importantly, Kohlmann's work should be regarded as a major contribution to the ongoing discussion concerning measures that ought to be taken with regard to the acute problem of Islamic terrorism. It tells us that the best way to deal with militant Islam is the political one, as Bosnia is proof that radical Islam has been decisively fed by the regional conflicts involving unjust treatment of Muslims. As the author stresses, al-Qa[hamza ]ida was allowed (and indeed, invited) to come to Bosnia due to the failure of the West to prevent genocide against the Bosnian Muslims. (It seems contradictory that Kohlmann criticizes the Clinton administration's tacit approval of Islamic shipments of weapons to Bosnia aimed at helping the Bosnian Muslims.) Therefore, the book is strongly recommended to the world's statesmen to inform them that they should solve the protracted conflicts in Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir, and Xinjiang in a just way. Of course, specialists in Islamic terrorism should read the book, too.

Finally, the Centre for European Policy Studies describes DIIS as follows:

The Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS) is an independent research institution engaged in research in international affairs. The institute draws up reports and analyses and follows developments in international affairs continuously in order to assess the security and foreign policy situation of Denmark, e.g. aspects of relevance with regard to development policy. DIIS also communicates research findings, analyses and knowledge and performs functions concerning documentation, information and library services. Furthermore, DIIS contributes to the education of researchers, supports the development of research capacity in developing countries and establishes contacts between Danish and international research environments.

In the end, even as I was not very familiar with the report's author, the reviews, his being published in the widely-respected journal Foreign Affairs, and the credibility of the DIIS suggest that his piece cannot be dismissed outright as propaganda. In short, the issues raised in the DIIS paper concerning the IHH are matters of concern and, if the inquiry into the flotilla incident is to be thorough, the IHH's role should be examined.


Thanks Don, I am not really familiar with IHH having only heard of them for the first time concerning this flotilla though I had heard that the Danes had done some study.

Just a couple of things. As far as I am aware there is no organisation called AL Qaeda. It is just a name given to people who wish to do a particularly nasty type of terrorism, even rejected by people like Ghaddifi and I think the Muslim Brotherhood.

The second thing, I tried to find some article on them in the Guardian and all I found was this article within which it says

the Americans appeared to confirm that there was no evidence to suggest that IHH was a terrorist organisation with links to al-Qaida.

Israeli PR machine won Gaza flotilla media battle | Antony Lerman | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

I notice they say 'appear to confirm' so that is certainly not definite and I was unable to get more information about what the US had said about the IHH.

(I do not have time to look at the report at the moment but I will do sometime.) :)
 
Last edited:

donsutherland1

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 17, 2007
Messages
11,829
Reaction score
10,253
Location
New York
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
Alexa,

Mr. Lerman's quote, "the Americans appeared to confirm that there was no evidence to suggest that IHH was a terrorist organisation with links to al-Qaida..." and the DIIS study are not necessarily contradictions. IHH might not be a terrorist organization, but it could still have links to terrorist organizations via financial or other channels. The DIIS study suggests that it does have links to terrorist groups. IMO, any examination of what happened needs to include a look into the IHH, its motives/objectives, the role its people played in the incident, etc., to gain a complete and accurate picture of what happened and why.
 

alexa

DP Veteran
Joined
May 14, 2009
Messages
4,684
Reaction score
1,340
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Alexa,

Mr. Lerman's quote, "the Americans appeared to confirm that there was no evidence to suggest that IHH was a terrorist organisation with links to al-Qaida..." and the DIIS study are not necessarily contradictions. IHH might not be a terrorist organization, but it could still have links to terrorist organizations via financial or other channels. The DIIS study suggests that it does have links to terrorist groups. IMO, any examination of what happened needs to include a look into the IHH, its motives/objectives, the role its people played in the incident, etc., to gain a complete and accurate picture of what happened and why.

So, Don, is this suggesting that rather than look at the situation of what happened during this incident, an investigation of IHH is what is in order?


I have heard before of investigations into organisations after it has been found they have been involved in some incident, but this sounds a bit more like an investigation into an organisation to find muck against it and so by implication to blame it for what happened. Things happened very different in that part of the world to here.
 

donsutherland1

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 17, 2007
Messages
11,829
Reaction score
10,253
Location
New York
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
So, Don, is this suggesting that rather than look at the situation of what happened during this incident, an investigation of IHH is what is in order?

No. An examination of the IHH and its role should be part of the larger investigation into the incident.
 
Top Bottom