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Was the JFK Murder a Successful Coup by Government?

Well, first off, a bolt action is exactly the type of rifle you would use as either a sniper or a hunter, so not sure why you mentioned "bolt action" that way? Do you think a sniper would use a AR 15 or a shot gun?????

And what does mail order matter? There were so many rifles made by so many countries from the 1890s -1940s of this type, that surplus stocks of them are STILL to this day plentiful. Mail order was a very common way to buy military surplus in the '50s-70s. Otherwise you could go into most gun shops--- or even sporting goods stores, and for about $30 bucks pick a Lee Enfield, Springfiied, Mosn-Nagant, Mannlicher-Carcano, or Mauser in well used condition. Just about every gun shop had discount racks of all of these surplus rifles on the sales floor. Surplus retailers could buy them by the case full.
he assassination led to banning Mail order firearms. If I remember correctly it was about $12. I could be wrong, it's been a while.
 
Oswald was the lone gunman.. There was no shooter in the grassy knoll..

It's been proven about 500 times that using that gun, at that distance, shooting a slow moving target is not only possible, but VERY probable... It's actually easy.

The 'magic bullet' has also been proven over and over it really wasn't 'magic'.. Again, that scenario under almost the exact circumstances has been replicated many times.

End of story... Oswald was the assassin. All by himself..
Why the hurry to shut him up? Jack Ruby was connected to the Mafia & his phone talked to Giancana the night before.
 
I was in the 1st grade waiting for recess when the teacher came busting through the classroom door bawling her eyes out telling us to put our jackets on and get ready to go home. When I walked home, my mom met me crying her eyes out.
I was in a Radio-TV store buying a cartridge for my stereo, when all the TV went to the report.
 
I'm in the Anti Castro/Mafia/CIA joint conspiracy camp. I think that NOLA DA (I forget his name) was on the right track. It's convoluted, I'm going to read the thread a bit before I get too deep into it, if I do.

Jim Garrison was a wing-nut. If you look at the "evidence" he had against Clay Shaw, there's no way that case should have ever been brought to trial. The whole thing was a farce designed to give him publicity by trying to pin President Kennedy's assassination on some homo-erotic conspiracy.
 
While I don't agree with all the details that you offer (Allen Dulles as a shooter??????), it is quite clear that the murders of JFK, RFK, and MLK were arranged by some rogue elements of the CIA who were concerned that they were bringing "communism" into the nation and were determined that was not going to happen. JFK was thinking about shutting down our participation in the Vietnam War. RFK and MLK were actually working to bring blacks more into mainstream society. The rogue elements simply could not stand the thought of such liberal "plots" and took action.
None of the assassins made a bit of sense. Oswald had no real grudge against JFK that we know of. But he then had to be quickly eliminated because they were afraid that he would blabber. Sirhan Sirhan was obviously brainwashed and the Palestinian situation simply wasn't really on the radar. And a hick hillbilly wouldn't flee to London, someone obviously helped him out with that one. None of the assassinations make a bit of real sense outside of an overarching plot of some sort.
Agree.
 
Why the hurry to shut him up? Jack Ruby was connected to the Mafia & his phone talked to Giancana the night before.
The Mafia wouldn't kill cops and judges. They knew the REPROCUSSIONS would be devastating.. But you think they would kill the POTUS??? NO..
 

Except that’s a ridiculous premise from the start. First off, given the CIA’s total inability total inability to whack Castro after decades of trying, the idea that they’d be able to pull off three extremely high profile hits in a relatively short period of time and get away totally clean is ludicrous. Secondly, arguing that the Palestinian situation wasn’t on the radar.....of a PALESTINIAN, in the aftermath of Arab nations once again getting their clock cleaned, is pretty laughable. Thirdly, given JFK’s habit of supporting hair brained stunts, even if he had “shut down operations in Vietnam”(which, by the way, was that exact opposite of guaranteed) he certainly would have been proving large scale funding for other operations in order to reassure the country he wasn’t “soft on communism”....so the supposed motive doesn’t even remotely make sense, especially since Vietnam in the early 1960s was far from the most important area in American geopolitical strategy terms.

The idea of some secret “CIA black ops team” going around assassinating leading figures across the country over the course of over five years is absurd.
 
Some people in the cia at the time hated kennedy and so did the folks who wanted him to invade cuba. They backstabbed him with the bay of pigs invasion telling castro where the location and time of the landing would be. Castro was there waiting for them which is why they got slaughtered.
Bobby Kennedy deported La. Mafioso Carlos Marcello, Marcello was back 2 months latter. Feds have him on tape saying (about Booby, whom he hated) Cut of the head, the body will die. Many folks take that to mean Hill the president & the AG will be out of a job.
 
The Mafia wouldn't kill cops and judges. They knew the REPROCUSSIONS would be devastating.. But you think they would kill the POTUS??? NO..
If in fact my theory is true, what repercussions? You act as if the mob has some kind of gangster ethics. ;) There were enough connections with Oswald & Ruby to Marcello. Coincidence?
 
If in fact my theory is true, what repercussions? You act as if the mob has some kind of gangster ethics. ;) There were enough connections with Oswald & Ruby to Marcello. Coincidence?
When it came to killing government officials the Mafia did have limits. They knew they could never win a war against the local(usually the NYPD), the state and the Feds.

So again, they wouldn't kill cops and judges but they would kill the POTUS?? NO way..
 
When it came to killing government officials the Mafia did have limits. They knew they could never win a war against the local(usually the NYPD), the state and the Feds.

So again, they wouldn't kill cops and judges but they would kill the POTUS?? NO way..
You're are taking their word for it. No way?
I'd say there were enough layers of deniability & being a joint venture with rouge CIA etc.
There were a pantload of people commiting suicide & stuff, who investigators wanted to talk to.
I have no real evidence, just a lot of coincidences. Do you have any evidence that it was out of character for the Mafia to not kill judges etc, other then they have never been caught.
 
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He tried to kill Kennedy's most vocal opponent, General Walker, just months earlier. So how would that seem to fit with your perception of him? You're not understanding the psychoses driving Oswald. Who it was, or what their politics or ideology was. Those things were essentially inconsequential as far as he was concerned. What mattered only to Oswald was that his victim be a figure of such high stature and import that the act of taking that person down would confer that high stature and import upon him. Mostly Oswald was a misfit, a somewhat malleable figure who wanted more than anything to make a statement, to be seen as an important person. His rifle gave him the chance. When fate delivered Kennedy and his chance at 'greatness' practically right into his lap, there was just no way he was going to pass that opportunity up.
That is a theory put forward by the Warren Commission, after the subject* was long dead.
*patsy...
 
Based on what, though?

The prisons are filled with innocent men. Don't believe me? Just go ask'em.

I know one thing for certain... odds are pretty good President Kennedy's death wasn't a suicide. Someone shot him.... and I haven't seen any evidence that points to anyone else but Oswald. The evidence that points to his guilt is overwhelming. It was either Oswald or some willow wisp conspiracy involving hundreds of people that worked to perfection and hasn't been effectively compromised for almost 60 years. I think I'm going to go with Oswald being the shooter.
One theory is that an unknown Marksman was in the book depository, with Oswald's gun, while the Patsy was in the break room. He left by the back exit taking the curtain rods with him after taking his shots.
 
You're are taking their word for it. No way?
I'd say there were enough layers of deniability & being a joint venture with rouge CIA etc.
There were a pantload of people commiting suicide & stuff, who investigators wanted to talk to.
I have no real evidence, just a lot of coincidences. Do you have any evidence that it was out of character for the Mafia to not kill judges etc, other then they have never been caught.
I live in NY.. Over the decades there were times Mafia 'soldiers' killed cops...

Then those 'soldiers' turned themselves in to the authorities because they knew they were dead if they didn't. Killing cops was a BIG no-no.. 1 case a soldier accidentally killed an off duty cop in a bar fight. The next day he turned himself in because the word on the street was if the Mafia got him 1st,he was dead...

I'm not going to go back and forth on this.. Jfk wasn't killed by the Mafia. Move onto the other conspiracies.. The FBI, CIA, KGB, ETC... There's 10,000 other people involved in all the other conspiracies..
 
So now you're ascribing a motive for Ruby's actions without having any evidence to support it? People have tried to find a prior link between Ruby and Oswald for the last 57+ years without a conclusive result... so why do you assume such a link existed?
A hooker described a meeting at Ruby's club between them. I believe she had an accident or committed suicide or something.
 
I live in NY.. Over the decades there were times Mafia 'soldiers' killed cops...

Then those 'soldiers' turned themselves in to the authorities because they knew they were dead if they didn't. Killing cops was a BIG no-no.. 1 case a soldier accidentally killed an off duty cop in a bar fight. The next day he turned himself in because the word on the street was if the Mafia got him 1st,he was dead...

I'm not going to go back and forth on this.. Jfk wasn't killed by the Mafia. Move onto the other conspiracies.. The FBI, CIA, KGB, ETC... There's 10,000 other people involved in all the other conspiracies..
Fagetaboutit.
Your story makes good PR for the mob, but if true, it's only because he was traceable. The mob don't give a shit about generic cops, maybe if they owned him. Your fairy tale version of the Mafia is comfortable for you. Just as I'm comfortable with my version of the CT.
 
If in fact my theory is true, what repercussions? You act as if the mob has some kind of gangster ethics. ;) There were enough connections with Oswald & Ruby to Marcello. Coincidence?

Your theory is not true.

JFK was about to be impeached for his malfeasance and negligence in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and even if he were not convicted by the Senate, the Democrats lose the 1964 Election.

One way to avoid that is to have JFK resign. That makes the unblemished untarnished LBJ the incumbent and a way better chance of winning in 1964.

He could have resigned for health reasons and not one person in the US would have blinked, because he was a very sick man, and probably would have died in 1966 or 1967 anyway due to Addison's Disease.

The Principals in this conspiracy are several Democrat Congressman from Florida, Texas and Louisiana who visited JFK at Kennebunkport in January 1963. They begged him to resign for the good of the Party, and being the arrogant jack-ass he was, he told them to get bent.

That is what set everything into play.

The Principals are connected in their hometowns, their States, and, of course, in Washington, DC.

They move in certain circles and they know who in those circles would be willing to help them. Those people willing to help the Principals are the Conspirators, the ones who actually plan and execute the conspiracy.

It's a foregone conclusion that at least one of the Conspirators was a CIA agent, but that does not mean, nor does it prove, the CIA was involved.

If you are unable to tell the difference between a CIA agent and the Central Intelligence Agency, then go on FacePuke and look up your 5th Grade English teacher and have him/her explain it to you.

The CIA often worked with organized crime families, or the "MAFIA" if you will. That is an established documented fact. The CIA enlisted the aid of the MAFIA when it planned the overthrow of Batista in Cuba, and then later when it repeatedly attempted to overthrow Castro (who was put in power by the US.)

Why? Because MAFIA families owned hotels and casinos and other businesses in Cuba, and in Havana in particular, and even after Castro realized the US was screwing him and got Medieval, the MAFIA still had contacts there to gather intelligence.

Again, the MAFIA was not involved, but the Civello Crime Family in Dallas was.

If you don't understand the difference, go find your 5th Grade English teacher.

The CIA has informants. Police have informants. MAFIA families have informants, because the whole freaking goal is to stay in business and out of prison.

You don't think the Civello Family would want to know if Dallas PD was investigating them? About to conduct a raid on one of their gambling houses? About to execute a search warrant?

Hell, yeah, they would.

Police are people and some people get taken to the cleaners in a divorce or otherwise strapped for cash, or are alcoholics, or drug users, or gamblers, or womanizers, or homosexual, or like little boys. Yeah, that's right, you use blackmail and extortion to get what you want.

We know the Civello Family had Dallas police on the payroll, because the assassins had Dallas PD radios and used them and that is recorded for all prosperity on audio tapes and in the hand-written radio logs of the radio dispatcher.

The Secret Service investigates money laundering and counterfeiting, so it should come as no surprise the Civello Family had a secret service agent from the Dallas Field Office on the payroll who convinced the Director to persuade JFK to switch drivers.

It is likely the Civello Family, as well as the families in New Orleans and Tampa, provided any combination of money, weapons and training for the assassins and may have helped the Conspirators import the assassins.

Again, while the MAFIA was not involved, the Civello Family, and likely the families and Tampa and New Orleans, did provide support to the Conspirators, but they were not the actual Conspirators.

None of the 27 MAFIA families had a dog in this fight and the Civello Family was almost certainly doing a favor for a favor.
 
When it came to killing government officials the Mafia did have limits. They knew they could never win a war against the local(usually the NYPD), the state and the Feds.

So again, they wouldn't kill cops and judges but they would kill the POTUS?? NO way..
The Kennedy boys betrayed them by cracking down on org. crime. Mafia bosses don't like being betrayed...by ANYONE.
 
The Kennedy boys betrayed them by cracking down on org. crime. Mafia bosses don't like being betrayed...by ANYONE.
NYPD cracked down on them many, many times. They still didn't kill cops and judges. They knew it was a war they couldn't win..

Seriously.. The Mafia was making $100 millions but they were going to attack the 1 organization that could put them out of business... No..

I use to do a lot of business in NYC. I knew many cops. Believe me, the Mafia was 1 of their least of worries..

As long as the Mafia was killing each other.. The cops really didn't care. Pretty much what is going on in Chicago now. The gangs are killing each other. Ok..
 
The Mafia wouldn't kill cops and judges. They knew the REPROCUSSIONS would be devastating.. But you think they would kill the POTUS??? NO..

But would they possibly do the CIA a favor by getting rid of the assassin so that he had no chance to divulge details of a possible conspiracy? It seems like the answer is clearly yes in the form of one Jack Ruby. It’s yet another detail that makes not the least bit of sense as to why Ruby would do that. There was simply no realistic motivation on his part. The assasins of RFK and MLK don’t make a bit of sense either. Looks like the rogue element in the CIA accomplished what they set out to do, which was to make certain that those rotten communist-influenced liberals didn’t get a chance to destroy the United States of America.
 
But would they possibly do the CIA a favor by getting rid of the assassin so that he had no chance to divulge details of a possible conspiracy? It seems like the answer is clearly yes in the form of one Jack Ruby. It’s yet another detail that makes not the least bit of sense as to why Ruby would do that. There was simply no realistic motivation on his part. The assasins of RFK and MLK don’t make a bit of sense either. Looks like the rogue element in the CIA accomplished what they set out to do, which was to make certain that those rotten communist-influenced liberals didn’t get a chance to destroy the United States of America.
So now we're on to the CIA?.. Next is the FBI? Kgb? The Israelis? East Germans?

See this is the problem with all of these conspiracies. You guys got 10,000 people involved..
 
So now we're on to the CIA?.. Next is the FBI? Kgb? The Israelis? East Germans?

See this is the problem with all of these conspiracies. You guys got 10,000 people involved..

Not really. The small rogue element in the CIA knew how to do this stuff with minimal involvement, with a very few trusted people.
 
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