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Was the JFK Murder a Successful Coup by Government?

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Another person who had served in the OSS was the CIA's section chief in Dallas.
Just about everyone who served in the CIA can trace their lineage back to OSS. It was from out of the OSS that the CIA was born.
 

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A key name in the Kennedy Assassination was James Jesus Angleton, chief of counterintelligence for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) from 1954 to 1975.

And here's a video laying it all out.

That's some real whackadoodle shit there.
 

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A mail order Italian rifle with a bolt action was used to kill JFK and wound Gov. Connolly is a bit of a stretch for me.......



PS this thread won’t last long here......
That mail order Italian rifle was one that was STANDARD ARMY issue, used during WWII with great success ... just because Oswald bought it cheaply does NOT mean it was a "cheap", badly made one as your post tries imply ...

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As for the stretch of one bullet hurting both JFK and Connolly ... why is that so ... can you explain WHY one bullet would not damage both men ???
 

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Just about everyone who served in the CIA can trace their lineage back to OSS. It was from out of the OSS that the CIA was born.
Yes, I know.

The reason I mentioned the section chief is that while people know Angleton's name, they don't know his.
 

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Do Americans want to know the answers?
Yes. of course, Americans want to know whether the murder of the two Kennedy brothers was a plot or just a coincidence.

Yes, of course, Americans want to know whether the 2020 Presidential election was honest or rigged.

But we are unlikely to find the definitive answer in the near future.

Who knows?

Maybe the truth will be come out in the next century.
 

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Yes. of course, Americans want to know whether the murder of the two Kennedy brothers was a plot or just a coincidence.

Yes, of course, Americans want to know whether the 2020 Presidential election was honest or rigged.

But we are unlikely to find the definitive answer in the near future.

Who knows?

Maybe the truth will be come out in the next century.
Do you think that when LBJ's stuff is finally released, there may be answers?
 

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That's some real whackadoodle shit there.

What's even more whackadoodle is the people who accept the 'Official explanation' from a Government that has been proven to lie to their citizens day after day.
 

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What's even more whackadoodle is the people who accept the 'Official explanation' from a Government that has been proven to lie to their citizens day after day.

By that rather jejune bit of "logic" then since men commit rape and since you are a man, then it stands to reason you too "must" have done so too !!!

Just because gubmint has been bad before DOESN'T automatically mean they are guilty of every wrong-doing or conspiracy going.

There is STILL this thing called PROOF ... and UNLESS you have it your accusations shall ALWAYS remain empty.

What's the bets you think chemtrails real and fall for the truly retarded "inside job" crud ... you seem they type !!!
 

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Well I guess maybe. Perhaps.

The "lone nut" theory (which has Oswald as it's lone nut) loses ground with me:

Be-caws!

  • We have more nuts than ever
  • We have more guns than ever
  • The nuts we have have access to more capital than ever
  • The guns that the nuts have access to are more powerful than ever
  • We have more access to data which, one would think, would cause the nuts to be more unhinged than ever
Why aren't there like almost daily assassination attempts? Yes, the secret service is better than ever and detect threats long in advance. But the SS is not protecting anyone other than former Presidents and the current leaders of the executive branch. They aren't protecting the house member from the California 47th district much less state and local officials.

So I'm a pass on the theory that Oswald was just some disgruntled nut job who just fell ass backwards into the whole thing. His actions after he shot JFK, cab, bus, walking, changing clothes, getting his gun..not the actions of someone who was not aware of what he was doing.
Oswald's actions after the assassination were indicative of a person who knew what he had done. But didn't really have a plan or firm idea in his mind as to what he was going to do or what the end point was or would be or even what it would look like. Because fate had landed the opportunity of his lifetime right into his lap and he had just a few days to make his decision and form a plan. In end he decided he could not just pass it up. Whatever the cost.
 

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What's even more whackadoodle is the people who accept the 'Official explanation' from a Government that has been proven to lie to their citizens day after day.
Come on dude, I mean really. I have heard plenty of pretty wild JFK assassination conspiracy theories over time. But being killed in order to protect secretly acquired alien technology has to be right up there in the top ten looney tunes list of them all. Tip of the cap on that one!
 

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Oswald's actions after the assassination were indicative of a person who knew what he had done. But didn't really have a plan or firm idea in his mind as to what he was going to do or what the end point was or would be or even what it would look like. Because fate had landed the opportunity of his lifetime right into his lap and he had just a few days to make his decision and form a plan. In end he decided he could not just pass it up. Whatever the cost.
So, he leaves $169 cash, nearly five week's pay after payroll withholding, with his wife and goes to work on 11/22 without his revolver, carrying a paper bagged "package" that the only two witnesses who claimed to have seen Oswald carrying it, stubbornly swore under oath was less than 30 inches long, despite "encouragement" from LEO interrogators.

Their story is that Oswald broke his rifle down to reduce the length from 40 inches to ??? inches
(see page 32 - http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/moyer.pdf )
and reassembled it using a dime during the morning portion of his work day, and despite describing the rifle as "well oiled", neither Dallas police or the FBI forensics lab found any of that gun oil on the interior surface of the paper bag or fresh scratches or dings on the disassembled rifle parts allegedly carried in that bag.

If he wasn't shot while handcuffed to one Dallas homicide detective in the basement of police HQ while surrounded by a full compliment of other Dallas officers, and somehow received a fair criminal trial, convicting him beyond a reasonable doubt would have been quite a challenge. There was no record of Oswald picking up a mail ordered rifle at a Dallas post office or of anyone picking up a revolver allegedly orderd by Oswald, at REA.

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FBI testified that the signature and other writing on the application for that box were in the handwriting of Lee Harvey Oswald,15 as was a change-of-address card dated May 12, 1963,16 by which Oswald requested that mail addressed to that box be forwarded to him in New Orleans, where he had moved on April 24.17 Since the rifle was shipped from Chicago on March 20, 1963, it was received in Dallas during the period when Oswald rented and used the box. (See Commission Exhibit No. 791, p. 120.)

It is not known whether the application for post office box 2915 listed "A. Hidell" as a person entitled to receive mail at this box. In accordance with postal regulations, the portion of the application which lists names of persons, other than the applicant, entitled to receive mail was thrown away after the box was closed on May 1963. 18 Postal Inspector Harry D. Holmes of the Dallas Post Office testified, however, that when a package is received for a certain box, a notice is placed in that box regardless of whether the name on the package is listed on the application as a person entitled to receive mail through that box. The person having access to the box then takes the notice to the window and is given the package. Ordinarily, Inspector Holmes testified, identification is not requested because it is assumed that the person with the notice is entitled to the package.19

Oswald's use of the name "Hidell" to purchase the assassination weapon was one of several instances in which he used this name as an alias. When arrested on the day of the assassination, he had in his possession a Smith & Wesson 38 caliber revolver purchased by mail-order coupon from Seaport-Traders, Inc., a mail-order division of George Rose & Co., Los Angeles. The mail-order coupon listed the purchaser as "A. J. Hidell Age 28" with the address of post office box 2915 in Dallas. 21 Handwriting experts from the FBI and the Treasury Department testified that the writing on the mail-order form was that of Lee Harvey Oswald.22
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Heinz W. Michaelis, office manager of both George Rose & Co., Inc., and Seaport Traders, Inc., identified records of Seaport Traders, Inc., which showed that a ".38 S and W Special two-inch Commando, serial number V510210" was shipped on March 20, 1963, to A. J. Hidell, Post Office Box 2915, Dallas, Tex. The invoice was prepared on March 13, 1963; the revolver was actually shipped on March 20 by Railway Express. The balance due on the purchase was $19.95. Michaelis furnished the shipping copy of the invoice, and the Railway Express Agency shipping documents, showing that $19.95, plus $1.27 shipping charge, had been collected from the consignee, Hidell.588 (See Michaelis Exhibits Nos. 2, 4, 5, p. 173.).."

The revolver was ordered "C.O.D.". It was not shipped to the U.S. post office. If anyone has presented a detailed explanation of
how (the steps, procedures) the revolver parted custody of Railroad Express and into the hands of any person, I haven't found it.
 
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Oswald's actions after the assassination were indicative of a person who knew what he had done. But didn't really have a plan or firm idea in his mind as to what he was going to do or what the end point was or would be or even what it would look like. Because fate had landed the opportunity of his lifetime right into his lap and he had just a few days to make his decision and form a plan. In end he decided he could not just pass it up. Whatever the cost.

There was no reason at all for Oswald to kill JFK unless he was doing it at the behest of someone else.
 

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Oswald's actions after the assassination were indicative of a person who knew what he had done. But didn't really have a plan or firm idea in his mind as to what he was going to do or what the end point was or would be or even what it would look like. Because fate had landed the opportunity of his lifetime right into his lap and he had just a few days to make his decision and form a plan. In end he decided he could not just pass it up. Whatever the cost.

Not buying it.

He was coy enough to defect from the US to Russia and back, coy enough to buy a rifle under an alias, coy enough to travel to Mexico to seek _____________, but somehow...didn't think about what happens after he shoots Kennedy?

Nope.
 

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Someone named "Paxton" signed for the revolver, (or worked for Railway Exp Agency in Dallas and collected funds from Hidell) not Hidell, according to R.E.A. and the Warren Report. Note that the document does not support how shipping charges were paid, since allegedly only $10 had accompanied the order coupon.

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I find it unusual no witness from Railway Express was produced by the Warren Investigation. I find no document supporting that
the FBI, SS, or Dallas Police sought the employee of Railway Express Agency who actually did collect money in exchange for the revolver allegedly ordered from Seaport Traders in LA, Cal. by A.?. Hidell.
 
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There was no reason at all for Oswald to kill JFK unless he was doing it at the behest of someone else.
There was a huge reason - it's complicated, but it's a combination of a number things about Oswald's mental state. He wanted to be a hero, and he was aware of Cuba, which he supported, viewing Kennedy as a threat. It was a one time historic opportunity, and we were handed a gift at confirming his assassin mentality with his attempt on Walker.
 

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I've never heard the Kennedy assassination as a southern white thing. Interesting.

Truthfully, it isn't hard to find someone who was enemies with Kennedy.

1) The CIA hated him for pulling out of the Bay of Pigs invasion at the last minute.
2) The mafia hated him cause his dad was one of them, then his son Bobby attacked them as Attorney General.
3) The vice-president was one of the most vicious guys around. Guess who became president?
4) The Cuban-Americans who wanted to overthrow Castro in Cuba wanted him dead.
5) The whole thing with Marilyn Monroe was sketchy. Who else was he banging that we don't know about?
6) The military wanted to go into Viet Nam but he was holding them back.
7) The Republicans hated that he stole the election. (with the help of Daley in Chicago)

Lots of people benefitted from his death. Hard to place the blame on any one entity.

That's a rather shallow list of motives not having much at all to do with evidence of who acted, and some correct and some less correct claims.

1. The CIA isn't a person. Allen Dulles and others hated Kennedy because they likely saw him as a threat to national security. Dulles treasonously tried to push his Bay of Pigs plan on Kennedy; Kennedy did not 'pull out at the last minute'. It failed because it was a badly designed and executed con job plan.
2. JFK's father was not 'one of them', but he had contact and was able to make deals. It does look like the mob felt betrayed, but they also simply felt they were being destroyed by Robert Kennedy's war on the mob, especially Carlos Marcello, the most powerful mob boss.
3. LBJ was about to be exposed as criminal thanks to RFK leaking information to the press, and he took the job, he'd told a confidante, because there had been about a 10% rate of 'openings' for the VP to become president...
4. Some did, including some US intelligence operatives who worked with them (and later some were Watergate criminals)
5. He reportedly could go to a Washington party and have a quicky with the wife of a powerful official. Some suspect Robert Kennedy murdering Monroe to keep her from exposing the relationship, but she was in no position to play a role in assassinating JFK
7. He did not steal the election. He might have stolen Illinois, and he bought the West Virginia primary that drove Hubert Humphrey out.

But when you narrow it down, the only 'short list' would have Oswald alone, or some combination of Allen Dulles and CIA allies, the mafia, and LBJ. Your basic claim that many had motives is valid.
 

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Why not, the space aliens makes as much sense as LBJ, Castro, the Cuban exiles, the mob, the CIA and the FBI.
No, they don't. I don't want to be as uncivil as to say you are making a fool of yourself on it, but.
 

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No, they don't. I don't want to be as uncivil as to say you are making a fool of yourself on it, but.

Dude, you need to crawl out from under that rock you've been living under. The giggle factor is over.

 

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7. He did not steal the election. He might have stolen Illinois, and he bought the West Virginia primary that drove Hubert Humphrey out.

Most historians are in agreement that Daley voted the graveyards and that won JFK Illinois, which won him the presidency.
 

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Most historians are in agreement that Daley voted the graveyards and that won JFK Illinois, which won him the presidency.

That is simply false. JFK could have won without Illinois.
 

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Most historians are in agreement that Daley voted the graveyards and that won JFK Illinois, which won him the presidency.
No, it did not. Lose Illinois, he still wins the presidency. Edit: I see this was already corrected. Kennedy's electoral win was 303-219; Illinois had 27 votes.
 
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