UK PM: Multiculturalism has failed

[Infinite Chaos]

Do I need to remind you yet again that Europe ISN'T a country.

You used the term, and so according to the form you have established, that means you suffer from the ignorant delusion that Europe is a country.

You quote the words but demonstrate such little understanding...

 

[Gardener]

You quote the words but demonstrate such little understanding...

I understand your methods quite well enough, thank you, especially in regards to your intended objective when you indulge in this petulant little display.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I understand your methods quite well enough, thank you, especially in regards to your intended objective when you indulge in this petulant little display.

You quote the words but demonstrate such little understanding...

10 characters.

 

[Grant]

There are those who will use the term "European" and will not be thinking of it as a country. This might occur also when we speak of any continent.
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Fortunately there are very few of you who use the term 'European' when discussing a particular issue. Whats easy to spot is those who partake in this lazy misinformed approach and their attitude to most subjects. An approach that often assigns 'blanket statements', often hugely out of context, to intricate societal problems. European culture, demography and politics should not be lumped into some-kind of homogeneous club. Of course we share similarities at times but at other times our approach will be 'chalk and cheese'.


Paul

The term "Europe" or "Western Europe" might have been used when regarding Muslim problems because most European countries suffer from them to greater or lesser degrees.

If, also, there might be six or so European countries which share a similar problem it is far easier to say European than name all the countries involved. We can say Western Europes, parts of Europe, and so on, but sometimes just the shorthand will have to suffice with the reader having to pick up on the intent,.

I'm sure many use this shorthand for Canada and the the USA also, rather than being specific about the provinces or states involved.

Why any offense is taken at this is not clear, but it sounds very similar to the Elephant Man's cry for individualism.

It is not a big deal. Sometimes people will generalize and quite often those generalizations will have some truth attached to them.

 

[Grant]

Do I need to remind you yet again that Europe ISN'T a country.

You used the term, and so according to the form you have established, that means you suffer from the ignorant delusion that Europe is a country.

Europeans can be so contradictory.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

--Sometimes people will generalize and quite often those generalizations will have some truth attached to them.

Depends on when it is appropriate.. If you're talking about something common across the European Continent and Isles (e.g. UK and Ireland) the yes - for example if I'm wishing to speak about posters based on the European Continent and Isles or if there was some other matter of mutual similarity. If you're talking about policies and or culture then no. Policies and culture in Greece vs Latvia for example may not be as different as between Canada (on the North American mainland) and Zimbabwe (on the African mainland) but they're still very different and cannot be lumped together.

Anything else is intellectual laziness.

Europeans can be so contradictory.

Q.E.D.

 

[Grant]

Depends on when it is appropriate.. If you're talking about something common across the European Continent and Isles (e.g. UK and Ireland) the yes - for example if I'm wishing to speak about posters based on the European Continent and Isles or if there was some other matter of mutual similarity. If you're talking about policies and or culture then no. Policies and culture in Greece vs Latvia for example may not be as different as between Canada (on the North American mainland) and Zimbabwe (on the African mainland) but they're still very different and cannot be lumped together.

Anything else is intellectual laziness.



Q.E.D.

Wow! You Europeans are so very strict!

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Depends on when it is appropriate.. If you're talking about something common across the European Continent and Isles (e.g. UK and Ireland) the yes - for example if I'm wishing to speak about posters based on the European Continent and Isles or if there was some other matter of mutual similarity. If you're talking about policies and or culture then no. Policies and culture in Greece vs Latvia for example may not be as different as between Canada (on the North American mainland) and Zimbabwe (on the African mainland) but they're still very different and cannot be lumped together.

Anything else is intellectual laziness.



Q.E.D.

"European history made Europe a complicated mess" I think is a fair quote to toss in here.

The other day we were heavily debating issues that took place in present day Armenia - but it most certainly wasn't the Armenians who did things 300 years ago.

 

[Grant]

Two other opinions on the subject from North American media.

Douglas Murray: Cameron's Multicultural Wake-Up Call - WSJ.com

Speaking hard truths about multiculturalism

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

But of course Multiculturalism's gonna fail when certain people (guess who) seek to segregate themselves!

Even the democracy of the INTERNET is cordoned off for the benefit of the likes of baying fanatics, though thankfully the rest of us don't have to suffer under it... yet: Halal search engine will help Muslims avoid forbidden internet sites - Telegraph


However, it's still puzzling how Muslims can act so pious when the 'prophet' they revere was a genocidal and bestial paedophile who swam through raw sewage, advocated necrophilia, haunted graveyeards at night and was riddled with lice.

Hadith/Quranic Analysis

Quran and Science

I just don't believe 'em!

 

[Andalublue]

But of course Multiculturalism's gonna fail when certain people (guess who) seek to segregate themselves!

How would you judge whether multiculturalism had succeeded or failed? What benchmarks would you use? What tests would you apply?

 

[iamitter]

But of course Multiculturalism's gonna fail when certain people (guess who) seek to segregate themselves!

Even the democracy of the INTERNET is cordoned off for the benefit of the likes of baying fanatics, though thankfully the rest of us don't have to suffer under it... yet: Halal search engine will help Muslims avoid forbidden internet sites - Telegraph


However, it's still puzzling how Muslims can act so pious when the 'prophet' they revere was a genocidal and bestial paedophile who swam through raw sewage, advocated necrophilia, haunted graveyeards at night and was riddled with lice.

Hadith/Quranic Analysis

Quran and Science

I just don't believe 'em!

What do you care what search engine they use? Google discriminates in their search engine to who pays them most, too

You really seem to hate muslims for some reason.

 

[Gardener]

How would you judge whether multiculturalism had succeeded or failed? What benchmarks would you use? What tests would you apply?

Multiculturalism hasn't failed at all. It has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams.

Britain has become the terrorist hub of western Europe and exports its terrorism to other countries, while the brainwashed populace still goes into full blown defense and denial mode any time the radicalism is pointed out to them just as they have been trained to do.

 

[Andalublue]

Multiculturalism hasn't failed at all. It has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams.

Britain has become the terrorist hub of western Europe and exports its terrorism to other countries, while the brainwashed populace still goes into full blown defense and denial mode any time the radicalism is pointed out to them just as they have been trained to do.

I see. So, you think that multiculturalism was a concept invented in order to promote terrorism across Europe and to turn the indigenous population of Europe into compliant and apathetic hosts to aggressive, radical Islamists. And it this you believe it has succeeded. Could you provide us with any evidence to back up this slightly astounding assertion?

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

What do you care what search engine they use?

It's not just the search engine, it's the whole attitude. Such piety and arrogance just CAN'T have them seamlessly integrate with British people who have a cultural tradition of humility, irony, pathos and self-awareness.

And it's funny how they forbid themselves this, that or the other with the bent reasoning of the original nutcase, yet when they come to making demands of us for their own benefit, it's suddenly a case of nothing can be denied them!

 

[iamitter]

It's not just the search engine, it's the whole attitude. Such piety and arrogance just CAN'T have them seamlessly integrate with British people who have a cultural tradition of humility, irony, pathos and self-awareness.

And it's funny how they forbid themselves this, that or the other with the bent reasoning of the original nutcase, yet when they come to making demands of us for their own benefit, it's suddenly a case of nothing can be denied them!

What attitude? That they want to follow their religion? So what?

And your second line can be attributed to a number of religions, including Christianity.


I'm not a fan of any religions, but to pick on one's outdated policies is as foolish as picking on another's.

 

[gunner]

I see. So, you think that multiculturalism was a concept invented in order to promote terrorism across Europe and to turn the indigenous population of Europe into compliant and apathetic hosts to aggressive, radical Islamists. And it this you believe it has succeeded. Could you provide us with any evidence to back up this outrageously astounding assertion?

Andalue please provide correct context

Paul

 

[Andalublue]

Andalue please provide correct context

Paul

I'm afraid that the positions of several of the posters in this thread no longer have the shock factor to do anything more than slightly astound me.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

That they want to follow their religion? So what?

The last nine years in particular have passed you quite, quite by haven't they?

That Muslims are 'following their religion', at the time it has seen the latest burst of supremacist militancy destabilise the entire West to a degree, has given cause for no little concern.

Riots, demands, jihad and 'cultural sensitivity' has led to the situation of the 'community' causing the greatest collective trouble making the greatest shriek for subservience and silence!


http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/91870-uk-pm-multiculturalism-has-failed-8.html#post1059271996

No wonder there's no concept of love mentioned in the Koran: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...-uk-safe-haven-suspects-2.html#post1059275262

 

[Grant]

I'm afraid that the positions of several of the posters in this thread no longer have the shock factor to do anything more than slightly astound me.

I suppose this won't shock you then either.

Riot breaks out over Java blasphemy case

 

[Andalublue]

The last nine years in particular have passed you quite, quite by haven't they?

Clearly, my questions passed you by the first time I asked them, didn't they?

How would you judge whether multiculturalism had succeeded or failed? What benchmarks would you use? What tests would you apply?

Any thoughts?

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Clearly, my questions passed you by the first time I asked them, didn't they?

That's the first time I've seen a Liberal master metamorphosis! You were iamitter a few moments ago!

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Any thoughts?

I'd just say that Multiculturalism was introduced at the time of large-scale political correctness, one a product of the other and failures in themselves. Both were supposed to fix what wasn't broken, to socially engineer Britain to become something it wasn't supposed to be and to alter the thought patterns of people with unfashionable views.

Every time people are called institutionally racist, every time the public despair at seeing another herd of criminals get ever-softer prison treatment due to their 'rights', every time weirdos and degenerates are allowed to erode moral standards in the country, every time authorities fear riots if this or that 'community' isn't bowed to, every time there is indeed that riot, every time 'diversity training' has to be foisted, every time a 'community cohesion' minster is installed, every time we have to be told that other people need to have their religious holidays or 'needs' pandered to, every time a minority group sets up its own political party or range of pressure groups and societies, every time one set of people (whites) are blamed for ethnic failures at whatever level, etc, we know Multiculturalism has failed.

After all, under MultiCulti, everybody's supposed to be perpetually holding hands, then singing Lennon songs and clapping in their rainbow braces, never poor and always joyful at the constant sunshine.

 

[Grant]

I'd just say that Multiculturalism was introduced at the time of large-scale political correctness, one a product of the other and failures in themselves. Both were supposed to fix what wasn't broken, to socially engineer Britain to become something it wasn't supposed to be and to alter the thought patterns of people with unfashionable views.

Every time people are called institutionally racist, every time authorities fear riots if this or that 'community' isn't bowed to, every time there is indeed that riot, every time 'diversity training' has to be foisted, every time a 'community cohesion' minster is installed, every time we have to be told that other people need to have their religious holidays or 'needs' pandered to, every time a minority group sets up its own political party or range of pressure groups and societies, every time one set of people are blamed for ethic failures at whatever level, etc, we know Multiculturalism has failed.

After all, under MultiCulti, everybody's supposed to be perpetually holding hands and clapping, never poor and always joyful at the constant sunshine.

Many of the democracies were also beating up on themselves, secure in the knowledge that were responsible for all the world's problems and that they had mercilessly exploited other countries and cultures to get where they are today.

Now we are learning that these cultures exploited each other, that they had little respect for human rights, self determination, or any of the freedoms or responsibilities the democracies have come to expect.

This 'crisis' in confidence', coupled with guilt, encouraged a search for meaning elsewhere, that perhaps other cultures and religions had the key to wisdom and multiculturalism could possibly dispel many of the shortcomings from which the democracies suffered.

Instead we learned that there is a reason third world countries are third world countries, and it's often because their laws and cultures are third rate. They should have been learning from the first world instead.

 

[Andalublue]

I'd just say that Multiculturalism was introduced at the time of large-scale political correctness, one a product of the other and failures in themselves. Both were supposed to fix what wasn't broken, to socially engineer Britain to become something it wasn't supposed to be and to alter the thought patterns of people with unfashionable views.

Multiculturalism and political correctness are British inventions?

Every time people are called institutionally racist

It tends to be institutions that are called institutionally racist.

every time authorities fear riots if this or that 'community' isn't bowed to, every time there is indeed that riot, every time 'diversity training' has to be foisted, every time a 'community cohesion' minster is installed, every time we have to be told that other people need to have their religious holidays or 'needs' pandered to, every time a minority group sets up its own political party or range of pressure groups and societies, every time one set of people are blamed for ethnic failures at whatever level, etc, we know Multiculturalism has failed.[/B][/I]

Gardener reckons it has succeeded. Nevertheless, by your definitions, it is an entirely subjective assessment, thus it can NEVER be said to have succeeded or to have failed.

Btw, this isn't fair...

every time one set of people are blamed for ethnic failures at whatever level

Given that you blame Muslims for their 'ethnic failures' on average about 9 times a day, you are guaranteeing Multiculturalism will fail, according to your definition. That's like saying, "We will never eradicate violent crime because I'm going to carry on robbing banks and hitting old ladies over the head."

After all, under MultiCulti, everybody's supposed to be perpetually holding hands and clapping in their rainbow braces, never poor and always joyful at the constant sunshine.

You're thinking of Coca-Cola.