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UK PM: Multiculturalism has failed

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More on the sinister side of Multi Culturalism:


But then, when was it not when taken to its logical end? ('Mongrel race' indeed!)

"Islamic terrorism" is going to be renamed "Anti-Islamic Activity"?
I have bloody well heard it all now.
You had better pack your bags and come across the pond... Although now there are serious storms brewing here. Mexicans are being prevented from entering churches by Hezbollah, who have also dug tunnels to enter the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk0XTo6faus&feature=player_embedded

Sounds like they are planning something bigger than just drug smuggling, and I would not be surprised if Obama had a hand in it. After all, he is letting Choudary enter the US where he is planning to protest in front of the White House and demand sharia law. Tommy Robinson wasn't allowed to enter the US but George Gallow, the notorious pimp for Hamas was.
It all points to Obama and his treasonous intentions. He is the ENEMY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
 

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I don't know if I'd say it was due to a lack of open mindedness so much as it is a certain sense of self-knowledge leading me to have more than a little doubt I could carry it out witout trying to make a parody of it. I can see myself reducing the entire exercize to a farce.

Well, it's just a shame. End of story.
 

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By R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.

The American Spectator is against Multiculturalism, hold the front page! What next? Communists deplore Wall Street? Nazis believe in a Jewish conspiracy? Tell us something that might actually surprise us.

The extract from the article is laughably vapid. Para 1: Multiculturalism favours Islam over others cultures. Then it's NOT multiculturalism, is it? Of course he provides so evidence. And the cause of this wrong-headedness? European history books, particularly British ones, oh, and American ones. I'm guessing he finds British and American ones particularly pernicious as those are the only ones he can read.

Para 2: By taking a critical approach to the history of colonialism we are stoking the fires of Jihadism. This is a logical fallacy - A is critical of X, B is critical of X, therefore A and B are the same. I think that is equivocation, making the assumption that a critical attitude towards the excesses of imperialism is creating common cause. Islamists criticised European colonialism for imposing an alien religion on those that might have been Moslems, for imposing the WRONG religion. A socialist critique would criticise the action of imposing ANY religion, and would have no common cause with Islamists seeking to change the flavour of that imposed religion.

Para 3: Political correctness. Ah yes. The thing that all these brave right-wingers feel we all need to be protected from. Like communist sympathisers in the Fifties and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it is a fantasy created by those who only like the democratic values that THEY hold to be important. It is a convenient cover-all term that means whatever the person using it wants it to mean. McCarthy would have loved using it. R Emmett Tyrrell clearly loves using it in all it's glorious vacuity.

So, what do we get from this article?
  • Islam is favoured over other cultures in Europe. Twaddle not supported by a scintilla of evidence.
  • History books critical of colonialism and imerialism encourage jihadism. Again no evidence is given and no suggestions as to how this might work.
  • Political correctness. He's not telling us what it is (that would spoil the guessing game) but it's as pernicious as jihadism and it's against democratic values. No idea why.
This is clearly the sort of baseless, scare-mongering polemic R Emmett Tyrrell likes, in the same way he likes spending millionnaires' slush funds inventing smear stories about the Clintons, and in the same way he enjoys spending the millions of dollars a Kazakh tyrant pays him to write propaganda on behalf of his banana republic.
 

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By R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.

So how did the Europeans end up with multiculturalism, a multiculturalism that seems to favor Islam over other cultures? The Germans have outlawed Nazi culture. The Italians are not particularly hospitable to fascism, and as I have already pointed out the French are appalled at cannibalism and do not even have a good word for McDonald's or Kentucky Fried Chicken. I think it started with the way they teach their history. Militarism, colonialism, and racism are all prominent ingredients of European history books, particularly British history. For that matter, American history stresses these ingredients also. I have been reading American college history texts and they present an alarmingly ugly view of the Western past.

By presenting the West as repugnant and the other civilizations as our prey, particularly during colonial days but also in modern times, we encourage such social pathologies as jihadism. President Sarkozy says he is not going to tolerate the kind of fundamentalism in France that leads ultimately to jihadism. How is he going to achieve this without calling for a fundamental reform in how French history is taught?

Then there is another matter. All the aforementioned statesmen and women are democrats and espouse democratic values, but there are fashions of thought in the West that do not like democratic values. For want of a better term, they are fashions of thought that follow political correctness. The politically correct do not like free speech. For that matter, the adherents to political correctness do not like many of the values of the West. What are Mr. Sarkozy and Mr. Cameron going to do about them? They are going to be even trickier to deal with than the practitioners of jihad.

The American Spectator is against Multiculturalism, hold the front page! What next? Communists deplore Wall Street? Nazis believe in a Jewish conspiracy? Tell us something that might actually surprise us.

The extract from the article is laughably vapid. Para 1: Multiculturalism favours Islam over others cultures. Then it's NOT multiculturalism, is it? Of course he provides no evidence. And the cause of this wrong-headedness? European history books, particularly British ones, oh, and American ones. I'm guessing he finds British and American ones particularly pernicious as those are the only ones he can read.

Para 2: By taking a critical approach to the history of colonialism we are stoking the fires of Jihadism. This is a logical fallacy - A is critical of X, B is critical of X, therefore A and B are the same. I think that is equivocation, making the assumption that a critical attitude towards the excesses of imperialism is creating common cause. Islamists criticised European colonialism for imposing an alien religion on those that might have been Moslems, for imposing the WRONG religion. A socialist critique would criticise the action of imposing ANY religion, and would have no common cause with Islamists seeking to change the flavour of that imposed religion.

Para 3: Political correctness. Ah yes. The thing that all these brave right-wingers feel we all need to be protected from. Like communist sympathisers in the Fifties and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it is a fantasy created by those who only like the democratic values that THEY hold to be important. It is a convenient cover-all term that means whatever the person using it wants it to mean. McCarthy would have loved it. R Emmett Tyrrell clearly loves using it in all its glorious vacuity.

So, what do we get from this article?
  • Islam is favoured over other cultures in Europe. Twaddle not supported by a scintilla of evidence.
  • History books critical of colonialism and imerialism encourage jihadism. Again no evidence is given and no suggestions as to how this might work.
  • Political correctness. He's not telling us what it is (that would spoil the guessing game) but it's as pernicious as jihadism and it's against democratic values. No idea why.
This is clearly the sort of baseless, scare-mongering polemic R Emmett Tyrrell likes, in the same way he likes spending millionaires' slush funds inventing smear stories about the Clintons, and in the same way he enjoys spending the millions of dollars a Kazakh tyrant pays him to write propaganda on behalf of his Central Asian banana republic.
 
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Para 1: Multiculturalism favours Islam over others cultures. Then it's NOT multiculturalism, is it?

It appears what we get. We've even had GOVERNMENT MINISTERS dribbling over Islam on Youtube, one of many signs, as I've never seen their Christmas or Hunnukkah adresses published and vainly boasted of.

Funny how the extra risk of tensions or riots make 'em come crawling!
Another reason MultiCulti's so toxic.




Islam certainly appears flavour of the month, to be promoted in the latest 'sale'. 'Islam's lovely', says BBC 2. 'Actually, it's fab', say the Government - even though the wickedness of the ideology is represented by a hard crust of militants and the supremacist side represented by all those wanting Sharia here or who think 7/7 was justified.

Muslims still seem treated as some be-pedestalled pearls amongst swine, even in the eyes of Nazir Ali: The Islamisation of Britain | The Spectator

Even homosexuals observe: Pink Triangle: Islamisation of Britain

Supermarkets can't even sell meat without risk of upsetting the lovely followers of the Religion of Peace! I'ts all halal now in shops and restaurants, as pointed out before.



But it's what you get under MultiCulti. Gets no better does it. Especially if, as Andalablue says, Pakistani or Zimbabwean culture is anti-Multicultist, even though those are still supposed to be crushed into the 'sweet trolley' system now here..

So that's probably why you even have to brainwash, denounce and arrest schoolchildren to impose MC I suppose. Not a grassroots thing is it?


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And with Hezbollah dabbling in Mexican drugs and illegal immigration to continue its operations, Cameron had damn well better stick to his guns by denying funds to organisations with terror links, no matter how much vocal-tearing screams come from sections of the Muslim Community.


EXCLUSIVE: Hezbollah uses Mexican drug routes into U.S. - Washington Times

Report: Hezbollah on US-Mexico Border


Myrick requested that U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano create a special team to further investigate the potential problem and threat.

With three Muslim Brotherhood people at Homeland Security, perhaps it's the MultiCultural thing to have Muslims help sort out a Muslim problem! Just as when the disgusting Islamists in the Sudan arrogantly demanded MUSLIM negotiators only to free Gillian Gibbons!


Nice to have Islam fully represented, and then some, in a Multi Cultural Society!
 
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HERESY!!!


Thanks to MultiCulti, crticism of the seething evil sweeping our West is verboten. Never mind the barbarism in full foul action in the Islamic World, Muslims don't like the criticism so dissenters should be silenced.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/91870-uk-pm-multiculturalism-has-failed-43.html#post1059300828

Evil backing evil: Don't criticise Islam, says UN – Telegraph Blogs


And even when you get neutral-sounding legislation which we're told bans criticism of ALL religions, it's damn funny how all this is suddenly rushed on us now the delicate Islamics face scrutiny!


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Though some people still get freedom of speech.......

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It appears what we get. We've even had GOVERNMENT MINISTERS dribbling over Islam on Youtube, one of many signs, as I've never seen their Christmas or Hunnukkah adresses published and vainly boasted of.
I see, so this Christmas message is a fake, is it...


And this one too...

ConservativeHome's ToryDiary: David Cameron's green Christmas message

Or perhaps this Channukah message didn't really happen...

Liberal Democrats Leader Nick Clegg sends best wishes ahead of Chanukah | The Liberal Democrats: News Detail

I see, only Islam gets special greetings from out multicultural-obsessed politicians.

Islam certainly appears flavour of the month, to be promoted in the latest 'sale'. 'Islam's lovely', says BBC 2. 'Actually, it's fab', say the Government - even though the wickedness of the ideology is represented by a hard crust of militants and the supremacist side represented by all those wanting Sharia here or who think 7/7 was justified.
That paragraph makes no grammatical sense.

Muslims still seem treated as some be-pedestalled pearls amongst swine, even in the eyes of Nazir Ali: The Islamisation of Britain | The Spectator

Even homosexuals observe: Pink Triangle: Islamisation of Britain

The Phillips article is what you'd expect from the insane old bat. Lots of rhetoric, lots of claims that she can't be bothered to back up with evidence. The PTT article is much more considered, and with this...
As secularists must be weary of repeating by now, if religion itself were taken off the national agenda; if it were confined to the private sphere; if people were allowed to get on with their beliefs in their homes and meeting places, but not allowed to impose them in the workplace or the public square; if schools taught about religion rather than inculcate its wackier claims to truth into the minds of students – if all this happened, no religion would have precedence, but all religions would get on with things and live side by side.

I find myself in complete agreement, provided it goes for ALL religion, not just the ones that are current scapegoat fodder.

Supermarkets can't even sell meat without risk of upsetting the lovely followers of the Religion of Peace! I'ts all halal now in shops and restaurants, as pointed out before.
ad nauseam. I'm as happy to eat Al Halal as I am to eat Kosher as I am to eat black pudding. There's no issue IMHO.

But it's what you get under MultiCulti. Gets no better does it. Especially if, as Andalablue says, Pakistani or Zimbabwean culture is anti-Multicultist, even though those are still supposed to be crushed into the 'sweet trolley' system now here..
Yes, I was surprised that you were so in favour of us adopting Pakistani and Zimbabwean cultural repression policies. You haven't really explained why you find them superior to multicultural policies. What's the 'sweet trolley' system, btw? Have you just made that up?
And with Hezbollah dabbling in Mexican drugs and illegal immigration to continue its operations, Cameron had damn well better stick to his guns by denying funds to organisations with terror links, no matter how much vocal-tearing screams come from sections of the Muslim Community.
Yes, that was a strange article in the Washington Times. Strange that its headline should read:
Hezbollah uses Mexican drug routes into U.S.
and yet in the body of the article it says this:
there have been no confirmed cases of Hezbollah moving terrorists across the Mexico border to carry out attacks in the United States,
So, in actual fact the entire article was based on the opinion of one ex-DEA officer, Michael Braun and a whole slew of anonymous 'officials'. There's just a whole string of statements such as,
associated with a Hezbollah-connected drug trafficking and a money-laundering ring
it's like a six degrees of separation exercise. Someone who might know that an illegal immigrant said to be connected to a cartel that might have associations with people who feel sympathetic towards Hezbollah. Tenuous stuff indeed. Still, it is the Washington Times who described Obama's healthcare reform as Nazism, and which is a mouthpiece for the Moonies.
 
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[*]Islam is favoured over other cultures in Europe. Twaddle not supported by a scintilla of evidence.

So there are no blasphemy or heresy trials going on in Europe for anyone being critical of Islam? Nothing heard from the UN on the subject? No threats from Islamic religious leaders?

Perhaps you need to do more research on the subject.
 

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The Phillips article is what you'd expect from the insane old bat. Lots of rhetoric, lots of claims that she can't be bothered to back up with evidence. The PTT article is much more considered, and with this...

Again the personal attacks rather than addressing the issues, the hallmark of Leftists everywhere..

I find myself in complete agreement, provided it goes for ALL religion, not just the ones that are current scapegoat fodder.

Scapegoat fodder? That would be Christianity, would it?

ad nauseam. I'm as happy to eat Al Halal as I am to eat Kosher as I am to eat black pudding. There's no issue IMHO.

Perhaps there is an issue if you have no choice.

Yes, that was a strange article in the Washington Times. Strange that its headline should read:
"Hezbollah uses Mexican drug routes into U.S."
and yet in the body of the article it says this:
"there have been no confirmed cases of Hezbollah moving terrorists across the Mexico border to carry out attacks in the United States"

What do you find so strange about it? They are apparently moving drugs, like the Mexicans. Why does it follow that they would be moving terrorists? Or at least there have been no confirmed cases about moving terrorists. So far there have been more terrorist entering the US from the UK than Mexico.

So, in actual fact the entire article was based on the opinion of one ex-DEA officer, Michael Braun and a whole slew of anonymous 'officials'. There's just a whole string of statements such as, it's like a six degrees of separation exercise. Someone who might know that an illegal immigrant said to be connected to a cartel that might have associations with people who feel sympathetic towards Hezbollah. Tenuous stuff indeed. Still, it is the Washington Times who described Obama's healthcare reform as Nazism, and which is a mouthpiece for the Moonies.

I've been unable to track down any article where the Washington Times described Obamacare as Nazism. Do you have a link? Or perhaps you were thinking of this Democrat calling opposition to Obamacare Nazism.

Dem Rep. compares GOP to Nazis | 26 states now represent the Multi-State Lawsuit against ObamaCare
 

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So there are no blasphemy or heresy trials going on in Europe for anyone being critical of Islam?
Well, I couldn't find much. Put "Blasphemy Trials" in a Google search and see what you get. I managed to find one case in Finland where someone was found guilty of blasphemy against Islam, and one case in Holland where someone was acquitted of insulting Islam. I found many, many cases of successful prosecutions for blasphemy against Christianity.

Of everything Islam-related, this seemed to me to be the worst case of official action taken in Europe against what might be described as blasphemy.
Gregorius Nekschot, a Dutch cartoonist collaborator of Theo van Gogh who was arrested in on May 13, 2008. His house was searched by ten policemen and his computer and sketch books were confiscated. He was held in jail for interrogation and was made to remove eight cartoons from his website at the request of the public prosecutor for being discriminatory for Muslims. The Netherlands police in a "project hatecrimes" ready to file complaints about cartoons.
That sounds like a restriction on free speech. I can't condone the police action, nor would I wish to.
Nothing heard from the UN on the subject?
Well, the UN resolution dealing with eliminating intolerance and discrimination on the basis of religion is entirely free of measures against blasphemy. This is what it's about:
Re co gn i z e s wi t h de e p c on c e r n t he o ver a l l r i s e i n i ns t a n c e s o f i nt o l er a nc e
a nd vi ol e nc e d i r e ct ed a ga i n s t me mb e r s o f ma n y r e l i gi o us a nd ot he r c o mmu ni t i e s i n
va r i o us p ar t s o f t he wor l d, i nc l ud i ng c a s e s mot i vat e d b y I s l a mo p ho bi a ,
a nt i - Se mi t i s m a nd Chr i s t i a n op ho bi a a nd t he s l o w p r o gr e s s i n t he i mp l e me nt a t i o n o f
t he De c l ar at i o n o n t he El i mi na t i o n o f Al l For ms o f I nt ol er a nc e a nd o f
Di s cr i mi na t i o n Ba s ed o n Re l i gi o n or Be l i e f
Sorry for the repro, taken from an Acrobat doc.

As you can see, Islam isn't singled out for special, preferential treatment. It's as concerned with anti-semitism and Chrsitianophobia as Islamophobia.
No threats from Islamic religious leaders?
From some of the more extreme ones, yes. Aren't there always? Threats are the stock-in-trade of most religious fanatics.

Perhaps you need to do more research on the subject.
You have clearly done none. I have researched and found a few isolated incidents. More than I'm happy with, but far fewer than anyone would need to make sweeping claims about an Islamic hegemony being perpetrated on Europe, and virtually nothing to justify claims that blasphemy laws are stifling free speech about Islam. Three cases across a whole continent is really nothing to get exercised about.
 
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What do you find so strange about it? They are apparently moving drugs, like the Mexicans. Why does it follow that they would be moving terrorists? Or at least there have been no confirmed cases about moving terrorists. So far there have been more terrorist entering the US from the UK than Mexico.
You didn't read the article, did you?
I've been unable to track down any article where the Washington Times described Obamacare as Nazism. Do you have a link? Or perhaps you were thinking of this Democrat calling opposition to Obamacare Nazism.
Here you go...
EDITORIAL: No 'final solution,' but a way forward - Washington Times
 

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You have clearly done none. I have researched and found a few isolated incidents. More than I'm happy with, but far fewer than anyone would need to make sweeping claims about an Islamic hegemony being perpetrated on Europe, and virtually nothing to justify claims that blasphemy laws are stifling free speech about Islam. Three cases across a whole continent is really nothing to get exercised about.

A few isolated incidents?

Why should there be any of these "incidents".

Charging people with heresy, blasphemy, or criticizing Islam in any way would have been unthinkable just a decade ago and now the practice is growing.

Do you not understand the chilling effect this will have on any journalists and politicians, that these trials will discourage debate and encourage those who would make Islam dominant over Europe? None of this is recognizable to you, that t will somehow stop once these critics are fined or go to jail?

Of course it won't. The Islamists will only become more extreme and the courts will continue to charge anyone anywhere in Western Europe who is guilty of criticizing Islam. This is the sure road to Sharia, and the road block of free speech is being removed.
 

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I see, so this Christmas message is a fake, is it...

As good as. At least Gordon Brown actually gave us the spiel on what Ramadan's supposed to be about, gave the Arab greeting and spoke in context of wishing Muslims a happy religious festival.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7e3wJ4eDeE

Cameron's 'Christmas' message was about what he wants to do with his party and the nondescrept bloke in the video made it sound more like what he'll be doing in his holidays. Yeah, real heartfelt greetings there.

And I probably never noticed Clegg's message because he wasn't worth anything before the election. But he actually did it at some way properly and I know now, thanks.



That paragraph makes no grammatical sense.

Makes actual sense beyond reasonable doubt.


The Phillips article is what you'd expect from the insane old bat.

And to think I've been chastened for rhetoric and smear. Especially as I've published links backing up what the Church claims about Muslim swimming baths, Islamic jail routines and all that load of old rubbish.



There's no issue IMHO.

Fair enough to leave it there then.



Yes, I was surprised that you were so in favour of us adopting Pakistani and Zimbabwean cultural repression policies. You haven't really explained why you find them superior to multicultural policies.

I don't and I don't. But I've heard more than a few of the bearded courderoy sandal brigade say that Pakistani culture has just as much a place here as the English culture, which apparently also doesn't exist. You should all make up your minds what's to be imposed and what isn't, other than the 'fact' we've got too many whites or even babies are racist, etc.



So, in actual fact the entire article was based on the opinion of one ex-DEA officer, Michael Braun and a whole slew of anonymous 'officials'.

Hezbollah are 'good'. Suspicions on the part of people in the know are there but the mouse has to be caught first. They can see where he's been though.


However, other articles report that bodies such as Homeland Security and equivilent officials in Mexico express outright that Hezbollah is involved in terrorist operation and have people already inside the USA.

Good enough for me. Catch the buggers and hang 'em, that's next.

Hezbollah Operating in Mexico and U.s

Video: Hezbollah starting to work with drug cartels in Mexico? « Hot Air

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