UK PM: Multiculturalism has failed

[Grant]

it's already been agreed by other posters.

And that's just how the Euroleties march together in lockstep. "It's already been agreed", and further conversation would not be helpful.

It's clear to see how Fascists, Communists and Nazis have had such an strong influence on Eurothink.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

.....when there little minds were a blank slate.

Indeed, how many times have we been told that 'young minds are just a blank slate'?

That mentality supposedly give them carte-banche to focus on all sorts of irrelevant things like 'gender identity' or 'social issues'.... anything to detract from the teaching of conventional education which they collectively continuously stink at as teachers.

 

[alexa]

Indeed, how many times have we been told that 'young minds are just a blank slate'?

You maybe, I have never believed in behaviourism. Review - The Blank Slate - Psychology

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- And that's just how the Euroleties march together in lockstep. "It's already been agreed", and further conversation would not be helpful.

You may be easily fooled or you actually like thinking about mixed race people as "coffee-coloured sludge" but don't try avoiding the fact I pointed out BNP propaganda in my first link after he used it. The BNP clearly were posting such leaflets through doors in this last decade. But you're a Canadian whose never lived here before so you just have to be right to ignore that.

The same kind of "polite" language was used in the 80's and 70's by the National Front here, they posted such leaflets through doors but you're a Canadian whose never lived here before so you just have to be right to ignore that.

I quoted those from the 1960's predecessors from the 1960's and 50's who are direct descendent of Oswald Mosely's 1930's Blackshirts but you're a Canadian whose never lived here before so you just have to be right to ignore that too.

You haven't explained away his words either and resort to snide comments about "Groupthink" - been learning from your anti-European peers again rather than thinking for yourself I'm afraid.

--It's clear to see how Fascists, Communists and Nazis have had such an strong influence on Eurothink.

I don't get into group-think but I notice you haven't posted on Putsch's "National Socialism" thread in General Political Conversation - don't like to be faced with reality do you? There's your chance to prove your credentials.

RoP's not been over either as he'd be exposed very quickly too.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

.....resort to snide comments about "Groupthink"

Considering that I've already, more than once, explained that it was Liberal aspirations to deliberately destroy Britain's demographic which brings the 'sludge' into it, yet been ignored on that, suggests that Groupthink is indeed the order of the day.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- yet been ignored on that[/I--

No, you're just being ignored from now on.

I'll read your posts but am not bothered to reply. My basic problem with you is that we all know what you are yet you insist on your pretence. "Putsch" on the other hand has acknowledged his leaning and is capable of discussing it and arguing his position.

He hasn't been banned for his extreme right wing stance so I don't know why you continue to keep your pretence up, I'm not asking for you to be banned - just to be honest about your views and then we can discuss things far more honestly and understand each other's perspective better.

Anything else is just hot air.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

I'll read your posts but am not bothered to reply.

Good. Maybe we can get the truth out (as I already have) without having to read cobblers about 'pretences' because it isn't the 'admittance' of what you want.

Indeed, there's still nobody telling us why an engineered 'coffee-coloured' society is so needed. That's huge demographic and cultural change merely for the sake of it (and PC and mass immigration), which marks the difference between it and such changes happening naturally.

And the new intended drones of our new 'no such thing as Englishness' cultural sludge would be the Lib-Dem endorsed mixed-race kids.

All I'm perhaps guilty of is being clumsy with words.

Anything else is just hot air.

I've already had that, encased over insults, from others.


This is the point where I'm supposed to agree I'm like Nazis. This is the point where I'm supposed to step down or grovel - like that schoolboy or even Glenn Hoddle recently.

This is the point where I'm supposed to abandon my context and agree that the application of Godwin's Law was correct. But my opposition are just going to have to get used to the fact that others can think radically different from themselves. And the way to deal with that is to discuss rationally from the outset, instead of screaming and browbeating and then shutting down systems when they don't get the subservient response.

..Then they may even get an apology for some hurt feelings!

 

[Grant]

You may be easily fooled or you actually like thinking about mixed race people as "coffee-coloured sludge" but don't try avoiding the fact I pointed out BNP propaganda in my first link after he used it. The BNP clearly were posting such leaflets through doors in this last decade. But you're a Canadian whose never lived here before so you just have to be right to ignore that.

The same kind of "polite" language was used in the 80's and 70's by the National Front here, they posted such leaflets through doors but you're a Canadian whose never lived here before so you just have to be right to ignore that.

I quoted those from the 1960's predecessors from the 1960's and 50's who are direct descendent of Oswald Mosely's 1930's Blackshirts but you're a Canadian whose never lived here before so you just have to be right to ignore that too.

You haven't explained away his words either and resort to snide comments about "Groupthink" - been learning from your anti-European peers again rather than thinking for yourself I'm afraid.

I don't get into group-think but I notice you haven't posted on Putsch's "National Socialism" thread in General Political Conversation - don't like to be faced with reality do you? There's your chance to prove your credentials.

RoP's not been over either as he'd be exposed very quickly too.

So you agree that various groups have been handing out their anti-somebody diatribes from the 60's to the present day, and that's something I've always been aware of also. When I visit the UK I've always noticed the anti Americanism as well, so it seems they can have a hate-on against several groups simultaneously. I know I wouldn't my children growing up there.

Part of the reason for this is to look to find the worst in everyone. In this post of yours here you say "I notice you haven't posted on Putsch's "National Socialism" thread in General Political Conversation - don't like to be faced with reality do you? There's your chance to prove your credentials. RoP's not been over either as he'd be exposed very quickly too".

So because I haven't posted on "Putsch's "National Socialism" thread in General Political Conversation", a place I never knew existed, it somehow makes me suspect. This is truly a Kafkaesque idea and one identified with Europeans.

As a matter of fact it was the Canadians who fought and died in Europe fighting Fascism and European Nazism (while prominent members of your Royal Family seemed to find favour with it). There is evidence that the British were likewise supportive of Communism, though sympathy with this most evil of political movements never enjoyed much success in Canada. I therefore have no need to "prove my credentials' to any Brit, or any European. My history, and that of my country, speaks for itself.

It's true that on a general level I have lost any respect I once had for Europeans, as have many North Americans, but if you can tell me why I should change my mind I will certainly listen. But, as you say, you are always hating some group or other, casting suspicions about, (as in this post of yours) always whining and complaining about something or other, and are just not hospitable. There is simply no longer a pretense anymore of geniality or friendliness. Why should anyone like you?

I have lived in Britain, btw, married a Scotswoman and have visited any number of times, but nothing would induce me to live among you people anymore, much less try to raise a family.

 

[Grant]

I think RofP has been very honest in his views, it's just that you can't accept them. This is yet another example of European "group think" and the suggestion of banning for an "extreme right wing stance" while of course the thought of anyone being criticized for having "an extreme left wing stance" is unthinkable, and idea of banishment would be laughed at.

This is the tone now in Europe. All Left wing is mainstream and acceptable and anything to the contrary is Right Wing, extreme, dangerous and subject to a ban.

But you don't even see that, do you?

 

[Gardener]

I think RofP has been very honest in his views, it's just that you can't accept them. This is yet another example of European "group think" and the suggestion of banning for an "extreme right wing stance" while of course the thought of anyone being criticized for having "an extreme left wing stance" is unthinkable, and idea of banishment would be laughed at.

This is the tone now in Europe. All Left wing is mainstream and acceptable and anything to the contrary is Right Wing, extreme, dangerous and subject to a ban.

But you don't even see that, do you?

I'm sure he also does not see the irony inherent in tossing around the Nazi bomb to be used on those who are too strident AGAINST those who persecute Jews like they do, and how it is he and his fellow extreme leftists who continually refuse to acknowledge anything as antisemitic -- even as they are raving about the evil Jews always manipulating others, having control beyond their influence and all the other themes hammered home by the actual Nazis.

 

[German guy]

I am not sure about Britain, but my impression is that in Germany, nobody is going to ban right-wing stuff (except the really racist genuine Nazi stuff -- but even here, the hurdle is very high. After all, we still have the neo-Nazi party NPD). For example, I have not ever heard the suggestion that Thilo Sarrazin's views should be "banned".

The problem I see when it comes to the memes of far-right people such as Sarrazin supporters is that they don't understand what "freedom of speech" is. When they say absurd things, or things worthy of criticism, they have to live with it that they're being criticized. But they hysterically mistake opposition to their views as alleged "ban" on their views. They can't live with it that people disagree with them. I assume that's projection -- if they were in power, they'd ban views that differ from their's.

What memes do I mean? Common in the German debate from the right side: "There is censorship in the media by a political correctness police". But as I see it, what they perceive as a conspiracy is just the consensus by the majority of people from left to moderate right, who have a basic sense of decency and respect for other people and minorities, that disrespectful statements, prejudices, hatred and xenophobic stereotyping should be avoided. The righties just don't understand that, because they don't have the slightest bit of respect for minorities themselves, had a bad education and thus don't know how to treat other people with respect. Of course it must appear like a conspiracy for them, when then 80% of the people or so frown when they advance their hatred and generalizations.

Another righty meme in Germany: "It must be allowed to say such a thing", suggesting it's not allowed to say the things they say. Ironically, they have been saying the very same things for decades now, and nobody has ever kept them from doing that. Every seven or eight years, there is another debate sparked by provoking xenophobic righties, and always, they said "we are breaking a taboo", although such a taboo never existed. Oh how short the memory of some is.

Especially ironic is that the moderate people in our debate are already discussing the problems that come with multiculturalism, integration problems of immigrants and radical opinions among Muslim immigrants. But they usually do that with a minumum of respect, avoiding stereotyping. The islamophobic righties ignore that, so they can claim they are doing something fundamentally new when they point to these problems. That's probably because this brand of righties (i.e. the Thilo Sarrazin crowd) have much less interest in actual debate and facts, and base their entire political worldview on primitive and lurid tabloids à la "BILD newspaper", than on serious media sources. Also, for them anything short of blind hatred of foreigners and immigrants, sometimes even outright racism, is "appeasement". And they never make any contributions or propositions when it comes to solving the existing problems -- their rants are usually limited to venting out hatred against aliens.

This kind of populist far right is really pathetic. And I think they are a much bigger threat to our political discourse and freedom, than any problems related to immigration will ever be.

Just my two cents.

 

[Slainte]

I have lived in Britain, btw, married a Scotswoman and have visited any number of times, but nothing would induce me to live among you people anymore, much less try to raise a family.

That's ok, we don't really need Canadians coming over here to live, as long as you still buy lots of tartan and scotch whisky, and go on biannual 'reconnect with your Scottish heritage' holidays, you guys can live wherever you want. :mrgreen:

 

[Grant]

I am not sure about Britain, but my impression is that in Germany, nobody is going to ban right-wing stuff (except the really racist genuine Nazi stuff -- but even here, the hurdle is very high. After all, we still have the neo-Nazi party NPD). For example, I have not ever heard the suggestion that Thilo Sarrazin's views should be "banned".

The problem I see when it comes to the memes of far-right people such as Sarrazin supporters is that they don't understand what "freedom of speech" is. When they say absurd things, or things worthy of criticism, they have to live with it that they're being criticized. But they hysterically mistake opposition to their views as alleged "ban" on their views. They can't live with it that people disagree with them. I assume that's projection -- if they were in power, they'd ban views that differ from their's.

What memes do I mean? Common in the German debate from the right side: "There is censorship in the media by a political correctness police". But as I see it, what they perceive as a conspiracy is just the consensus by the majority of people from left to moderate right, who have a basic sense of decency and respect for other people and minorities, that disrespectful statements, prejudices, hatred and xenophobic stereotyping should be avoided. The righties just don't understand that, because they don't have the slightest bit of respect for minorities themselves, had a bad education and thus don't know how to treat other people with respect. Of course it must appear like a conspiracy for them, when then 80% of the people or so frown when they advance their hatred and generalizations.

Another righty meme in Germany: "It must be allowed to say such a thing", suggesting it's not allowed to say the things they say. Ironically, they have been saying the very same things for decades now, and nobody has ever kept them from doing that. Every seven or eight years, there is another debate sparked by provoking xenophobic righties, and always, they said "we are breaking a taboo", although such a taboo never existed. Oh how short the memory of some is.

Especially ironic is that the moderate people in our debate are already discussing the problems that come with multiculturalism, integration problems of immigrants and radical opinions among Muslim immigrants. But they usually do that with a minumum of respect, avoiding stereotyping. The islamophobic righties ignore that, so they can claim they are doing something fundamentally new when they point to these problems. That's probably because this brand of righties (i.e. the Thilo Sarrazin crowd) have much less interest in actual debate and facts, and base their entire political worldview on primitive and lurid tabloids à la "BILD newspaper", than on serious media sources. Also, for them anything short of blind hatred of foreigners and immigrants, sometimes even outright racism, is "appeasement". And they never make any contributions or propositions when it comes to solving the existing problems -- their rants are usually limited to venting out hatred against aliens.

This kind of populist far right is really pathetic. And I think they are a much bigger threat to our political discourse and freedom, than any problems related to immigration will ever be.

Just my two cents.

This is so very European, and why there are always problems over there, though I certainly North Americans no longer get involved.

"But as I see it, what they perceive as a conspiracy is just the consensus by the majority of people from left to moderate right"

Thus "the left" can do no wrong. Their claim, completely unsupported by any facts, is that all the problems in Germany, and Europe, have come from the right while the left remains blameless. Of course this idea is so ridiculous that any brief look at history would make it laughable. This is especially true when we recall the carnage the National Socialists created in the world and that the Communists recently controlled the entire eastern portion of Germany, and held it enslavement. At that time it was, of course, it was that same right wing who were fighting against Communism. Ronald Reagan, the staunchest anti Communist and the only international leader with the courage to stand up to the Communists was ridiculed and vilified in Europe.

So can anyone explain why Europeans can be trusted when they still think in these small-minded cliches of left and right, and are continually getting it all wrong?

 

[German guy]

This is so very European, and why there are always problems over there, though I certainly North Americans no longer get involved.

"But as I see it, what they perceive as a conspiracy is just the consensus by the majority of people from left to moderate right"

Thus "the left" can do no wrong. Their claim, completely unsupported by any facts, is that all the problems in Germany, and Europe, have come from the right while the left remains blameless. Of course this idea is so ridiculous that any brief look at history would make it laughable. This is especially true when we recall the carnage the National Socialists created in the world and that the Communists recently controlled the entire eastern portion of Germany, and held it enslavement. At that time it was, of course, it was that same right wing who were fighting against Communism. Ronald Reagan, the staunchest anti Communist and the only international leader with the courage to stand up to the Communists was ridiculed and vilified in Europe.

So can anyone explain why Europeans can be trusted when they still think in these small-minded cliches of left and right, and are continually getting it all wrong?

I don't see that your brainless rant here is anyhow connected to what I said. Nowhere did I say or just imply that "the left can do no wrong" or that "all problems stem from the right".

You have a serious hate problem, buddy. You're projecting your own prejudices and small-mindedness on others. Please spare me that.

 

[Grant]

That's ok, we don't really need Canadians coming over here to live, as long as you still buy lots of tartan and scotch whisky, and go on biannual 'reconnect with your Scottish heritage' holidays, you guys can live wherever you want. :mrgreen:

Why would any Canadian want to go to Scotland anyway? And my wife's family have all emigrated to Australia.

Here's an example of what's left.

The Celtic canary in the UK's coal mine - Telegraph

 

[Grant]

I don't see that your brainless rant here is anyhow connected to what I said. Nowhere did I say or just imply that "the left can do no wrong" or that "all problems stem from the right".

You have a serious hate problem, buddy. You're projecting your own prejudices and small-mindedness on others. Please spare me that.

So you didn't say this??

"What memes do I mean? Common in the German debate from the right side: "There is censorship in the media by a political correctness police". But as I see it, what they perceive as a conspiracy is just the consensus by the majority of people from left to moderate right, who have a basic sense of decency and respect for other people and minorities, that disrespectful statements, prejudices, hatred and xenophobic stereotyping should be avoided. The righties just don't understand that, because they don't have the slightest bit of respect for minorities themselves, had a bad education and thus don't know how to treat other people with respect. Of course it must appear like a conspiracy for them, when then 80% of the people or so frown when they advance their hatred and generalizations".

Do you think "The Left" has a history of treating people with respect and a sense of decency?? Is that's what being taught today in German schools?

 

[Grant]

I'm sure he also does not see the irony inherent in tossing around the Nazi bomb to be used on those who are too strident AGAINST those who persecute Jews like they do, and how it is he and his fellow extreme leftists who continually refuse to acknowledge anything as antisemitic -- even as they are raving about the evil Jews always manipulating others, having control beyond their influence and all the other themes hammered home by the actual Nazis.

As in the past it is still the Left and their freaky allies who will attack Jews and Israel (and America of course), who will vilify them however they can, talk of a Jewish conspiracies, attempt to organize trade barriers, boycotts, flotillas and all the rest of it. They grow up thinking this is normal.

 

[German guy]

So you didn't say this??

"What memes do I mean? Common in the German debate from the right side: "There is censorship in the media by a political correctness police". But as I see it, what they perceive as a conspiracy is just the consensus by the majority of people from left to moderate right, who have a basic sense of decency and respect for other people and minorities, that disrespectful statements, prejudices, hatred and xenophobic stereotyping should be avoided. The righties just don't understand that, because they don't have the slightest bit of respect for minorities themselves, had a bad education and thus don't know how to treat other people with respect. Of course it must appear like a conspiracy for them, when then 80% of the people or so frown when they advance their hatred and generalizations".

Do you think "The Left" has a history of treating people with respect and a sense of decency?? Is that's what being taught today in German schools?

I explicitly specified that I was referring to the populist far-right crowd of the Sarrazin brand, which is very distinct from the established, moderate right, which I expicitly stated as well.

If you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about, like the political landscape in Germany, you should better shut up and save your blind ignorant hatred, along with your knee-jerk reactions, for other topics.

 

[Grant]

I explicitly specified that I was referring to the populist far-right crowd of the Sarrazin brand, which is very distinct from the established, moderate right, which I expicitly stated as well.

If you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about, like the political landscape in Germany, you should better shut up and save your blind ignorant hatred, along with your knee-jerk reactions, for other topics.

Do you really think that a German Guy is going to make me "shut up"?? Perhaps those sorts of threats work in the dear Fatherland but not here in Canada. You should get any Herrenrasse ideas out of your head right now.

And this "blind ignorant hatred" seems to be coming from you. You really will go to any lengths to silence any opposition, won't you??

 

[Andalublue]

I don't see that your brainless rant here is anyhow connected to what I said. Nowhere did I say or just imply that "the left can do no wrong" or that "all problems stem from the right".

You have a serious hate problem, buddy. You're projecting your own prejudices and small-mindedness on others. Please spare me that.

If you have read through a lot of this thread you will see that many people share your views and your frustrations in dealing with the right-wing on DP who claim that not only has multiculturalism failed, but that it should because it's a wicked cover for handing over our nations to Moslems. You will also notice that a key number of those right-wingers are trolling, have no interest in a debate and get a kick out of insulting 'Europe', 'Europeans', 'Eurotards', 'Leftards' etc ad nauseam.

I strongly recommend using the full filtering features of the site. Just like during an election when I wouldn't tell you who to vote for, I won't suggest any names to put on ignore as that's against house rules, I believe. Your ignore button however, just like your vote, is there to be used.

 

[Grant]

If you have read through a lot of this thread you will see that many people share your views and your frustrations in dealing with the right-wing on DP who claim that not only has multiculturalism failed, but that it should because it's a wicked cover for handing over our nations to Moslems. You will also notice that a key number of those right-wingers are trolling, have no interest in a debate and get a kick out of insulting 'Europe', 'Europeans', 'Eurotards', 'Leftards' etc ad nauseam.

I strongly recommend using the full filtering features of the site. Just like during an election when I wouldn't tell you who to vote for, I won't suggest any names to put on ignore as that's against house rules, I believe. Your ignore button however, just like your vote, is there to be used.

Another good way of ignoring opposing views is to hold your hands over your ears while shouting repeatedly, and as loud as you can, "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!"

 

[German guy]

Do you really think that a German Guy is going to make me "shut up"?? Perhaps those sorts of threats work in the dear Fatherland but not here in Canada. You should get any Herrenrasse ideas out of your head right now.

And this "blind ignorant hatred" seems to be coming from you. You really will go to any lengths to silence any opposition, won't you??

Quod erat demonstrandum.

You have just confirmed everything I said about the populist far-right and their debate "culture". Congratulations! =)

 

[Grant]

Quod erat demonstrandum.

You have just confirmed everything I said about the populist far-right and their debate "culture". Congratulations! =)

Oh, have I, German Guy?

It's always such a pleasure to watch a German who's pleased with himself. No one else seems ever to achieve that intense level of beaming self satisfaction that a German can attain.

 

[Slainte]

Why would any Canadian want to go to Scotland anyway?

Our golf courses really are that good.

And my wife's family have all emigrated to Australia

As discussed, emigration from the motherland is acceptable, as long as said migrants continue to support the motherland's economy through the purchase of over priced Scottish merchandise and tacky holidays.

 

[Grant]

Our golf courses really are that good.



As discussed, emigration from the motherland is acceptable, as long as said migrants continue to support the motherland's economy through the purchase of over priced Scottish merchandise and tacky holidays.

Whisky Guild - Report finds Scotch on the rocks in its homeland

Bourbon takes the biscuit: Scotch sales in poor spirit as Britons soak up US whiskey galore - Herald Scotland | Business | Markets & Economy

Please don't debate me regarding Scotland. I have many fine memories of the excellent people I've met there and don't wish to rubbish them in any way. But the facts speak for themselves.