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Palestinian who lied about his religion sentenced to 18 months in jail

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Moral of the story:

NEVER EVER LIE TO A WOMAN.

Seriously, our fury hails from the depths of hell, people.
And do you think pretending to be American or French to seduce a woman deserves such a sanction?
 

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And do you think pretending to be American or French to seduce a woman deserves such a sanction?
Of course not, bub. I was being sarcastic.

I think this girl is as despicable as the guy who lied to her to get in her pants. She willingly has sex with some stranger she just met on the street and she then has the audacity to have him prosecuted for rape???

Humans really disgust me sometimes.
 

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And do you think pretending to be American or French to seduce a woman deserves such a sanction?
well it is against Israeli law to use deception to have sex, but this is cleary a case of racism.
 

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Really, please tell me the kind of deception that goes on and is illegal.
from the article Arcana linked
While forced sex by deception is an offence under Israeli law, legal experts say it is a charge used sparingly in cases involving protracted deceit and a promise of marriage.
there you go, in this case it was clear discrimination, as it was most definitely not protracted, unless the guy was really good :mrgreen:

I would have to agree on that.
good to hear :)
 

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Ah, we used to have a law like that something about breaking promises when you had said you would marry someone. Hasn#t been used for a very long time.

I cannot be the first person who is reminded of the old situation of blacks in the US, so pretty strong racism.
 

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I don't care what country you are in, if you locked up every person who lied to get into somebody's pants, every guy in the country would be in jail and most of the women too.
 

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7s7 Canal Infos - Un violeur palestinien se faisait passer pour un juif (1135445)

Le Figaro - Flash Actu : Condamn pour viol pour fausse identit

A palestinian from occupied East Jerusalem who had sex with a Jewish woman while pretending he was also Jewish, was sentenced and will spend one year and a half in jail because the court said it was like a "rape".
I personally found it hilarious.
What next?
Folks who'd lie to women telling them that they're rich and famous just to get in bed with them will be accused with rape as well?
 

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You think it's funny that this guy got 18 months because both the woman and the judge are complete morons?
I think it's funny that someone can get accused of rape because he deceives a woman to get into her pants.
As Tucker said earlier, nearly every man in the world would be behind bars if that would happen.
 

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I personally found it hilarious.
I guess it is hilarious, if you forget that a man just lost his freedom because of some racist bitch.

What next?
Folks who'd lie to women telling them that they're rich and famous just to get in bed with them will be accused with rape as well?
Only if they're Arab.
 

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I think it's funny that someone can get accused of rape because he deceives a woman to get into her pants.
As Tucker said earlier, nearly every man in the world would be behind bars if that would happen.
Well, it's good to know that you find amusement in complete miscarriages of justice, I guess.
 

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I guess it is hilarious, if you forget that a man just lost his freedom because of some racist bitch.
No, that sucks for him, but the case itself is hilarious.
Do you think it wasn't sad when some porn star has got murdered by his collegue?
Yet look how many people (including myself) have made fun of that in this thread:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-weird/74081-porn-star-kills-co-star-sword.html
Sometimes we laugh about bad news too, nothing to do about it.
Only if they're Arab.
Actually that's bullcrap, most of the people who have been the victims of this ridiculous law (Deception == Rape) were Jewish.

Edit: Also, the judge didn't seem to have even mentioned the fact that the deception was pretending to be Jewish in his ruling, he has only referred to the law that forbids deceiving females to get sex.
 
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No, that sucks for him, but the case itself is hilarious.
Do you think it wasn't sad when some porn star has got murdered by his collegue?
Yet look how many people (including myself) have made fun of that in this thread:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-weird/74081-porn-star-kills-co-star-sword.html
Sometimes we laugh about bad news too, nothing to do about it.


Actually that's bullcrap, most of the people who have been the victims of this ridiculous law (Deception == Rape) were Jewish.

Edit: Also, the judge didn't seem to have even mentioned the fact that the deception was pretending to be Jewish in his ruling, he has only referred to the law that forbids deceiving females to get sex.
Well, no offense to that racist slut, but it doesn't seem to take a whole lot to "deceive" her. He must be really good at that "deception" thing when all it took was a bit of small talk on the street.
 

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I think it's funny that someone can get accused of rape because he deceives a woman to get into her pants.
As Tucker said earlier, nearly every man in the world would be behind bars if that would happen.
Hell, since you came out with it first, l lol'ed too. :mrgreen:

It was blatantly racist and i hope the government steps in before Israel's credibility for "peace" goes down the drain. Not even that. Israel's credibility as a secular and Western democracy.
 
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I've been thinking about this law, and it's intent:

it is a charge used sparingly in cases involving protracted deceit and a promise of marriage.
And I realized the intent of the law is to give the guy a chance to reduce his own sentence from Life to 18 months.
 

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... Handing down the verdict, Tzvi Segal, one of three judges on the case, acknowledged that sex had been consensual but said that although not "a classical rape by force," the woman would not have consented if she had not believed Kashur was Jewish. ...
and every fellow who beds a jewish woman in israel who lied, by saying they were wealthy, or single, or well connected, or well hung, or something else the woman admired but later found to be false, are they also subject to jail time for those deceits?
what was dispensed was not justice
levy seems to agree:
... Gideon Levy, a liberal Israeli commentator, was quoted as saying: "I would like to raise only one question with the judge. What if this guy had been a Jew who pretended to be a Muslim and had sex with a Muslim woman?

"Would he have been convicted of rape? The answer is: of course not." ...

that article went off on an interesting tangent:
... Israeli MPs are considering a law requiring prospective Israeli citizens to declare loyalty to Israel as a "Jewish, democratic state". ...
... Dan Meridor, a deputy prime minister in Binyamin Netanyahu's government, is opposed to the proposal. "Why does every bill need the word 'Jewish' in it – to show the Arab citizens that it doesn't belong to them? Then we're all shocked when they radicalise their stance.

"The majority doesn't need to remind the minority that it is in fact a minority all the time," he added.
they should listen to meridor
 

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Thats a big scandal here in the media. Yesterday a journalist in channel 10 browsed over a dating site and said every one there should be arrested and jailed for lying...
I too find this ridiculous, women organizations however believe its justice - go figure. I think women organizations here got way over thier heads manipulating the sexual harrasment laws in the past years, this being their new peak.
 
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The Judge should be investigated. There are elements of Israeli society that think any mixing of "races and religion" is a sin and should be punished. If he is one of those, then we clearly know why he sentenced this man this way.
 

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Thats a big scandal here in the media. Yesterday a journalist in channel 10 browsed over a dating site and said every one there should be arrested and jailed for lying...
I too find this ridiculous, women organizations however believe its justice - go figure. I think women organizations here got way over thier heads manipulating the sexual harrasment laws in the past years, this being their new peak.
They believe it's justice, huh? I guess allowing an idiot to send another idiot to jail is total justice.

Lying, unless it's perjury in a court of law or it directly results in another offense such as inflicting bodily harm, theft or defamation of character should not be punishable by law. Taking Mohamed to court because he lied and told you his name was Samuel is not a good reason to jail someone. What this judge has done is to reward this woman for her prejudice. He just sent out a loud and clear message that racism is totally acceptable.
 

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The sad part is this does more to hurt the Jewish cause than anything else. It's a tool for antisemites to point out and attack Israel with
 

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They believe it's justice, huh? I guess allowing an idiot to send another idiot to jail is total justice.

Lying, unless it's perjury in a court of law or it directly results in another offense such as inflicting bodily harm, theft or defamation of character should not be punishable by law. Taking Mohamed to court because he lied and told you his name was Samuel is not a good reason to jail someone. What this judge has done is to reward this woman for her prejudice. He just sent out a loud and clear message that racism is totally acceptable.
First of all there were 3 Judges and one of them said he should have been charged with fraud instead. Though the law suite itself was driven by racisem, I won't jump and say the ruling of the Judges is based on racisem. Such cases are usually backed up strongly by over-enthusiastic women's rights activists who find all sorts of law trickeries to promote their cases, no matter how ridiculous they are, reading the Israeli media I cannot find anyone who praises this ruling except for women rights activists. Also, as far as I understood he admited to the charges in a plea bargin so I'm not sure how much freedom that gives the Judges in their ruling.

Anyways the case will be disscused in the supreme court soon.
 

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First of all there were 3 Judges and one of them said he should have been charged with fraud instead. Though the law suite itself was driven by racisem, I won't jump and say the ruling of the Judges is based on racisem. Such cases are usually backed up strongly by over-enthusiastic women's rights activists who find all sorts of law trickeries to promote their cases, no matter how ridiculous they are, reading the Israeli media I cannot find anyone who praises this ruling except for women rights activists. Also, as far as I understood he admited to the charges in a plea bargin so I'm not sure how much freedom that gives the Judges in their ruling.

Anyways the case will be disscused in the supreme court soon.
Well as someone who has always supported women's rights, I am kind of at a loss as to see what women's right women could say was taken away. Racial right yes, women's right, no.

After striking up a conversation, the two went into a top-floor room of a nearby office-block and engaged in a sexual encounter, after which Mr Kashur left before the woman had a chance to get dressed. It was only later that she discovered Mr Kashur's true racial background, lawyers said.
Now if someone consents to sex on the basis of a a quick conversation, what the hell does it matter what the guy's name is? We have here a woman who has no compulsion about having sex at any opportunity, provided the person is a Jew. How on earth she found out about this quick encounter is not said, but it is racism, pure and simple and a man has been accused of rape because he is an Arab and not a Jew. That stinks.

My guess would be that the Supreme court will do something about it. Uri Avnery seems to believe your Supreme Court is the last hope for democracy in Israel.
 
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