Ladies.... A Little Consistancy if You Please

[ecofarm]

Then we should rationally and civilly destroy his points. That would be the best option.

You go swim in the scum pond. Spend your time with people worse than fools. Explain basic human decency. I've better endeavors.

 

[Wake]

unfortunately, his views make him a woman hating, miserable SOB. pointing that out is not uncivil and I, for one, refuse to tolerate such behavior simple for the sake of tolerance.

I tolerate his opinion, but I am incredibly against it. Should we be unscathed if we troll him for having a vastly differing opinion?

You go swim in the scum pond. Spend your time with people worse than fools. Explain basic human decency. I've better endeavors.

I don't swim in scum ponds. I'm slowly realizing the importance of debaing issues and points civilly and rationally, no matter the person. Every passing day it makes more sense to build your experience on these important precepts. I will explain my view of basic human indecency to him, and I will be very interested in discovering and refuting the logic he uses.

 

[ecofarm]

I tolerate his opinion, but I am incredibly against it. Should we be unscathed if we troll him for having a vastly differing opinion?



I don't swim in scum ponds. I'm slowly realizing the importance of debaing issues and points civilly and rationally, no matter the person. Every passing day it makes more sense to build your experience on these important precepts. I will explain my view of basic human indecency to him, and I will be very interested in discovering and refuting the logic he uses.

Wife-beaters can eat my ass.

 

[Wake]

Wife-beaters can eat my ass.

Based on their size and agression they probably could.

That's not the point, though.

 

[Goshin]

Moderator's Warning:

Getting a little overly personal here at times, folks... Ecofarm.... let's keep it civil por favor.

 

[X Factor]

Based on their size and agression they probably could.

That's not the point, though.

He said "eat" not "beat", and anyways guys who physically harm women or children are typically cowards when confronted by another man.

Regarding Tigger, I'm torn. On one hand, I can only imagine the **** he's had to put up with. Maybe it's just easier to adopt an attitude that you know will alienate people, women especially, so that you can blame any ill treatment or rejection on that something you actually have control over. On the other hand, none of it is any excuse for hitting a woman or dismissing her as if she's something less, intellectually, emotionally or whatever, and it sure is hard to have empathy for someone who thinks that way, no matter how ****ty they've been treated in their past. If anything, they should be the ones to understand better the value of treating people well and with respect.

 

[Wake]

He said "eat" not "beat", ((((Intended for lols)))) and anyways guys who physically harm women or children are typically cowards when confronted by another man. ((((That is usually true))))Regarding Tigger, I'm torn. On one hand, I can only imagine the **** he's had to put up with. Maybe it's just easier to adopt an attitude that you know will alienate people, women especially, so that you can blame any ill treatment or rejection on that something you actually have control over. On the other hand, none of it is any excuse for hitting a woman or dismissing her as if she's something less, intellectually, emotionally or whatever.

I am no psychologist, and I don't know Tigger, so I cannot say why he believes what he believes. Hitting the woman that way is terrible, but I want to better understand why. A better analysis/understanding would require Tigger's explanation of things he deeply believes in. He is remarkable, though, in that he can so consistently, civilly, and calmly explain his beliefs. That grabs my attention and even though I detest some of his radical beliefs, strangely, I cannot help but respect his more positive aspects. It would be the same if I talked to an ardent, yet civil and respectful communist. You see, I prefer talking with Tigger over people of my party who are rude, crude, inconsistent, etc.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

I am no psychologist, and I don't know Tigger, so I cannot say why he believes what he believes. Hitting the woman that way is terrible, but I want to better understand why. A better analysis/understanding would require Tigger's explanation of things he deeply believes in. He is remarkable, though, in that he can so consistently, civilly, and calmly explain his beliefs. That grabs my attention and even though I detest some of his radical beliefs, strangely, I cannot help but respect his more positive aspects. It would be the same if I talked to an ardent, yet civil and respectful communist. You see, I prefer talking with Tigger over people of my party who are rude, crude, inconsistent, etc.

You're comparing a political ideaology to domestic abuse?

The communist presumably believes a properly implemented communist system wouldn't hurt anyone. Since it's their theoretical ideology, there is no way you can say for sure that it would (although you can disagree and pose possible harms theoretically).

Someone who beats their partner and verbally/emotionally abuses them is objectively harming another person. Not only do they believe it's acceptable, but they practice it in life. In Tigger's case, he does it even knowing that he is hurting her. It is his intent to hurt her - to psychologically break her. I am fairly sure he's used those exact word. His actual, true intent is to cause harm.

I don't hate Tigger. I can't hate someone who is clearly so mentally warped. But he does not deserve respect or admiration simply because he explains his abusive actions calmly. If anything, that's an indication of sociopathy, not civility.

 

[Kali]

I don't doubt that. I know that there are a lot of people out there who have it as bad if not worse than I do. I won't deny that for a single second.



OH, I'm sure they're out there. The problem is that they are so few compared to the number of bastards. The other problem being that if/when I do truly open up people don't always like what they're confronted with. They don't mind the public mask, but once they get under that they don't often care for the real me inside. It's not a very pretty sight.



That is one thing I do not do well and never have. Probably has something to do with my control-freak and temper issues.



I don't even really know what love is, Goshin.



What am I afraid of? I'm afraid that if I open up people are going to see the REAL me, and be even more repulsed by that than they are by the mask I wear. As for getting my heart broken.... I'd have to have one for it to get broken.

So you admit you are heartless? That is that then. You will never find love and stop bitching about it. If you are heartless? What the hell do you expect? Nobody wants to be down with a heartless prick.

I think you are lying and have a heart but you need someone that will be open to the real you. Take off that mask and do you as what you are doing is clearly not working. So who cares? The worse thing will be that you are still alone and that is something you are used to.

 

[00timh]

See, that makes it difficult for reasonable people to dislike you.

Too bad other people on this forum don't adopt this positive aspect, myself included, for being a jerk earlier in this thread.

Eh, maybe I am too old... I just celebrated my 47th last night. Thanks to my fiance I didn't wake up with a monkey, tiger or a tranny... but no thanks to her daughter and the 8 billion shots I did last night for getting me to where I would have lol. But, RL consumes too much of my time to hate anyone on the web. Maybe I am now just too old fashioned to go around hating on people... And maybe I am just a little to experienced... but its not hate, I have just seen too many who tell these kinds of stories and I call BS. I have seen far too many IRL who suffer from disfigurment or disabilities and NONE of them ever act like Tigger. Perhaps he is just that unique... but in any case, I don't spend my time hating on him.

 

[Tucker Case]

As much as it can always get better, it can also always get worse. I am a pessimist by nature, and that's part of my personality totally separate from the birthmark. Always has been. It probably has a lot to do with other parts of my attitude/personality as well.

While you may have a predilection towards pessimism, it is not set in stone that you must be a pessimist. Many people learn to view the world differently. It takes some effort, though. But the right attitude about life can, in and of itself, get you farther in life.

And if you honestly believe that things can always get worse, that means you do have a lot of good in your life. Try focusing on what's good and how to create more of it, rather than focusing on all that is not good. That's the first step in an optimistic worldview: taking the time to appreciate what's good in life, even if it is something minor like getting an extra 15 minutes of sleep. It adds up.

 

[WI Crippler]

While you may have a predilection towards pessimism, it is not set in stone that you must be a pessimist. Many people learn to view the world differently. It takes some effort, though. But the right attitude about life can, in and of itself, get you farther in life.

And if you honestly believe that things can always get worse, that means you do have a lot of good in your life. Try focusing on what's good and how to create more of it, rather than focusing on all that is not good. That's the first step in an optimistic worldview: taking the time to appreciate what's good in life, even if it is something minor like getting an extra 15 minutes of sleep. It adds up.

Will you tell my wife this?

 

[Tucker Case]

Will you tell my wife this?

Not only will I tell her, I'll give her a special little thing that she can learn to appreciate. :2razz:

 

[WI Crippler]

Not only will I tell her, I'll give her a special little thing that she can learn to appreciate. :2razz:

That works out great. She could see how bad it really could be.

 

[Tigger]

So you admit you are heartless? That is that then. You will never find love and stop bitching about it. If you are heartless? What the hell do you expect? Nobody wants to be down with a heartless prick.

I find it hard to believe that in a country where we have the proponerance of single parent families, people on welfare, food stamps, etc... that there aren't more women looking for a nice, simple relationship where they trade their skills (cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc...) against food, shelter, clothing, etc....

I think you are lying and have a heart but you need someone that will be open to the real you. Take off that mask and do you as what you are doing is clearly not working. So who cares? The worse thing will be that you are still alone and that is something you are used to.

The real me is something that society would not be willing to accept. It's that simple. The real me is an anachronism and probably always will be, Kali. I understand that to deal with the minimal parts of society that I have to, I must wear a mask. It's that simple.

While you may have a predilection towards pessimism, it is not set in stone that you must be a pessimist. Many people learn to view the world differently. It takes some effort, though. But the right attitude about life can, in and of itself, get you farther in life.

This dog is too old to easily learn new tricks, Tucker. It's going to take something rather monumental to change my worldview and ideology.

And if you honestly believe that things can always get worse, that means you do have a lot of good in your life. Try focusing on what's good and how to create more of it, rather than focusing on all that is not good. That's the first step in an optimistic worldview: taking the time to appreciate what's good in life, even if it is something minor like getting an extra 15 minutes of sleep. It adds up.

No, it just means that I understand that until you draw your last breath it can ALWAYS get worse.

 

[sangha]

Ladies, I'd like you to help me out with something here that has been driving my nuts for years and which has the potential to become something of an issue in my current relationship....

Why is it that you ladies cannot seem to come up with a consistant messge on certain topics? Why is it that from day to day (or at least week to week) it seems that what you want to hear from a guy or have him do CHANGES?

For example.....

One week it's "You haven't said you love me recently." and the next week it's "You've told me you love me FOUR times today. I know that. You don't have to tell me every two seconds."

One week it's "Gee, you didn't have to get me those flowers and that card." and the next week it's "You know a girl likes to feel special by getting little things."

The one that has really driven me nuts recently is the "You look lovely/beautiful" // "No I don't. I'm fat/ugly/etc..." one. That and the "I want to take this slow" (which I have no problem with) then read me the riot act for not asking you to stay the night three nights later.

You ladies would get a lot more of what you ACTUALLY WANT if you could come up with a CONSISTANT MESSAGE on what it is you ACTUALLY WANT!!!!!

I find it highly ironic that a man who claims to treasure "traditional gender roles" is having problems with women when they exhibit tendencies traditionally associated with the female gender such as vanity, fickleness, and moodiness.

I think the only solution here is to find a Mennonite prostitute.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I think the only solution here is to find a Mennonite prostitute.

Great, great line! LOL!

 

[Risky Thicket]

seriously dude, it's not that bad. at least it is somewhat uniform. I have seen much worse. I was in the air force with a guy who had a similar birthmark, except his was an irregular blotch that covered one side of his head and one eye. and he wasn't a miserable SOB who seemed to hate everyone around him. In fact, he was a SSGT and he wound up marrying a Capt.

Dayum, he ended up marrying an officer? Things really did get worse for him. He must have been desperate. Poor bastard.

 

[Tucker Case]

Great, great line! LOL!

I concur. I laughed hard when I read it.

 

[Tigger]

...... If anything, they should be the ones to understand better the value of treating people well and with respect.

Ah, but you make the (common) mistake of assuming that many of us are still at a point where we are looking at the world as anything more than a matter of survival. At a certain point the human mind/spirit change. I won't say they break so much as they transform from a focus on society, family, and the world at large to a focus on the self alone. After that point there really is really little reason to treat anyone with respect or deference unless it directly advances one's own cause.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

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[Tigger]

smoke.... Yep; and you ladies should be at home to make sure the driver has someone to sign for the package when it arrives. :mrgreen:

 

[misterman]

You want to know the WORST of it, Goshin? I'm probably in the top 10% both educationally and professionally of people who have the sort of birthmark that I have. Most never graduate high school. Very few ever live on their own. Almost none have full-time jobs, and even less have college degrees and professional careers.

I'm sure you're thinking.... That's the WORST of it? The moron has no idea what he's talking about. Let me finish.....

Being that close to being "NORMAL", and yet never quite being able to be like everyone else is the worst of it. Knowing that you're the smallest, weakest kid in your class because of some damn birthmark and a stupid seizure that you can't even remember in more than the most blurry snippets. Knowing that you can't go and do a lot of the other things you want to do and should be able to do because you can't be outside for more than 15-20 minutes in the cold because of some stupid medicine you haven't taken in years. Being so damn close to being just like everyone else, but not being able to take that last step. It's like hitting the post with that potential Stanley Cup winning shot. Being just THAT MUCH short.

Personally, I'd rather have had the massive brain damage, the severe social issues (yes worse than what I have), and the other things that normally come with this issue.... at least in that case I wouldn't really know how bad it was.

You could make things better on yourself if you would stop treating everyone else, especially women, with such contempt. That may be a defense mechanism on your part - I don't know, I'm not qualified to analyze you - but whatever.

 

[Tigger]

You could make things better on yourself if you would stop treating everyone else, especially women, with such contempt. That may be a defense mechanism on your part - I don't know, I'm not qualified to analyze you - but whatever.

That contempt has been EARNED over and over through the 37+ years of my life. Respect is EARNED, and honestly the general public has done absolutely nothing to EARN my respect, or in reality anything other than my contempt over the years.

 

[peepnklown]

Tigger, it’s called being human.