I think I just realized why so many people are against SSM

[Oftencold]

I see you are STILL ignorant on this topic. STILL don't understand definitions, eh, Oftencold? Good to see you prefer to remain uneducated in any issues surrounding homosexuality and SSM.

I remain consistent, as well as correct. When those happy states coincide, the wise rejoice.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

gayas are crippled and can't love people of the opposite sex? What a shocking revelation. I had no idea that they were crippled thus.

Ah. So you are ignorant as to how love happens and works. That seems to explain your lack of understanding of why your "gays have the same marrying rights as straights" argument is so stupid. So we can now chalk to this up to yet ANOTHER thing about this issue you don't understand: the basics of how romantic love operates and what it causes. The depth of your lack of understanding on this issue is quite massive.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I remain consistent, as well as correct. When those happy states coincide, the wise rejoice,.

You remain consistent in your invalidity. With this issue, your ignorance seems to certainly be bliss.

 

[Oftencold]

Ah. So you are ignorant as to how love happens and works. That seems to explain your lack of understanding of why your "gays have the same marrying rights as straights" argument is so stupid. So we can now chalk to this up to yet ANOTHER thing about this issue you don't understand: the basics of how romantic love operates and what it causes. The depth of your lack of understanding on this issue is quite massive.

Thank you Noted Romantic Expert.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Thank you Noted Romantic Expert.

No problem. Anything to attempt to increase your understanding of this issue.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I don't hate them. Not at all. I also don't hate small children who are want to break things they don't understand or own. It's much the same, you see.

Well, if you oppose SSM, you want to deny them rights that you readily enjoy, which is something I wouldn't even do to someone I hate.

I'd hate to see what you want to do to people you actually do hate.

 

[Oftencold]

Well, if you oppose SSM, you want to deny them rights that you readily enjoy, which is something I wouldn't even do to someone I hate.

I'd hate to see what you want to do to people you actually do hate.

Hating people is far too much trouble, I avoid it.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Well heterosexual women doing things to get attention from men is nothing new. The fact that they are engaging in mildly homosexual act to get attention doesn't mean they have become homosexual. So that i isn't really relevant.

Not everyone who experiments is gay...But if they are not gay, they aren't going to repeatedly experiment and settle down with someone of the same sex. I'm pretty sure that's what CLAX is referring to. They're not going to "become gay."

Ahh, gotcha. Though I would point out to those that fear "catching the gay" there is likely little difference between experimentation based on various interests and "being gay"

 

[X Factor]

Yes, because that's so unlike the anti-SSM brigade, isn't it? There are jerks on both sides, I can't see why this might sway your moral and ethical considerations.

Because it seems like any degree of contemplation or anything less than immediate full hearted support of everything gay makes you a "homophobe". Eating at Chick Fil A, for example, is practically a hate crime to some. If what's required of me to support SSM is to renounce my religious beliefs and turn around and hate and bash everyone else who has religious beliefs (or wink at and applaud those who do) then I can't and won't do that.

 

[shrubnose]

I had an epiphany.

I think the reason why some people are so damned horrified about the acceptance of SSM is that there will be an automatic assumption that when they say they're married, other people will assume they're married to a member of the same sex.

When you say you're married right now, you're automatically deemed straight.

Once SSM becomes accepted that assumption goes away.

I think those anti-ssm people are probably scared crapless people will assume they're gay.

'm I right or am I right?

:2razz::lol::mrgreen::2wave::lamo

You are wrong.

You didn't have an epiphany, what you had was a hate filled thought.




[B]"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll[/B]

 

[shrubnose]

Whatever happened to "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another"?

I prefer : "Do unto others what you want done unto unto you." ~ Confucius.

But, to each his own favorite sayings.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Hating people is far too much trouble, I avoid it.

Yeah I guess just holding bigoted views is easier.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

I had an epiphany.

I think the reason why some people are so damned horrified about the acceptance of SSM is that there will be an automatic assumption that when they say they're married, other people will assume they're married to a member of the same sex.

When you say you're married right now, you're automatically deemed straight.

Once SSM becomes accepted that assumption goes away.

I think those anti-ssm people are probably scared crapless people will assume they're gay.

'm I right or am I right?

:2razz::lol::mrgreen::2wave::lamo

LOL - never occurred to me. I can see it now. "I'm married . . . SHE'S A FABULOUS WOMAN." The possibility of being asked, "Is your spouse a man or a woman" would terrorize some people.

I'd just laugh if someone asked me that.

Watch - in the future we'll have two terms for 'spouse' - one male / one female. If we were a gender minded language it wouldnt' be a concern. "es sposa / es spose" [Or whatever - SP all over.]

 

[Oftencold]

Yeah I guess just holding bigoted views is easier.

Child, I'm not the one making judgments about the contents of other peoples' souls based on superficial evidence.

 

[Logicman]

Why exactly did you need to reconcile it? As far as I am concerned, my faith is about my relationship with God and my faith does not require me to control others. If others burn in hell, not really my problem.

I appreciate what you're saying but if America goes up in smoke like Sodom and Gomorrah then it does get very personal and cannot be minimized any longer.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Child, I'm not the one making judgments about the contents of other peoples' souls based on superficial evidence.

Bigot, I don't care what your soul is, you oppose equal rights.

 

[What if...?]

In a country that has developed the legal concept of "hate speech," it seems to the rational observer that it is a small step to rule that refusing to exercise "correct speech," can also be a crime.

No, not a slippery slope fallacy.

An actual scenario where a "correct speech" crime occurs.

 

[Oftencold]

Bigot, I don't care what your soul is, you oppose equal rights.

ROFLOL! You are so cute!

 

[Gardener]

ROFLOL! You are so cute!

Ah -- so it really IS latent same sex attraction at work here, after all.

What a subtle way you have of displaying why the speculation in the op is errant.

 

[What if...?]

A man and a turnip aren't equal to a heterosexual couple either. And yet the man in love with the root vegetable has no rights denied because he cannot wed his tuber. He has the right to marry a real female just like the normal man. Or to put it another way, if I have a right to a cookie, I may not rationally scream and pout that my rights are dried because I prefer a cracker.

The notion of real marriage denying the rights of sexual deviants is transparent nonsense, always has been, always will be.

This is a silly argument too.

It is illegal in America to discriminate based on sex.

A man can marry a woman, but a woman can't, BECAUSE she is a woman.

Pretty clear.

 

[Gardener]

Child, I'm not the one making judgments about the contents of other peoples' souls based on superficial evidence.

Like hell, you are not making judgments. You have decided in completely arbitrary fashion that homosexuality is bad, and have offered absolutely no valid reason for why this is so.

 

[What if...?]

Ah! You are correct. I don't think however that our culture and society have the strength to resist effectively. Muslim cultures now appear to be far more vital-- which is in no way to say more advanced or enlightened than ours. They are sure of themselves, determined, often ruthless and their doctrine frees them from concern for those who must be sacrificed in order to advance the interests of dar-al-Islam. We're concerned with pulling our culture down. Whom do you suppose will win in such a conflict if it is carried out until only one culture remains?

Actually, if we legalize gay marriage, it will place another hurdle in the way of islamists taling over.

 

[Gardener]

Actually, if we legalize gay marriage, it will place another hurdle in the way of islamists taling over.

I have always found it ironic that it is often those who want us to be more like them who oppose them with the greatest ferocity.

 

[What if...?]

What's all this about not being able to marry their spouses? If they can't marry, they don't have spouses.

Again. Lots of people can't marry whom they wish. that does not mean that their rights are denied when they operate under and are constrained by exactly the same rules as everyone else.

Look t it this way. Put five random men and five random women in the same room. Every man there has precisely the same marital rights where every one of the women is concerned as every other man, whether he's gay, normal or indifferent. Again, precisely the same, without an atom's difference.

And at one point a black man was perfectly free to marry a black woman and ONLY a black woman.

 

[ecofarm]

No. I went to a public high school. I still try to overcome the damage daily.

Perhaps I can help you, consider this: there's nothing wrong with being gay. People are people, whether black, white, Christian, Muslim, homo, hetero, American or Russian. There are some good, some bad and mostly in between. There is no reason to have paranoid delusions about any group of people.

Good luck in your recovery.