Yes, I am partisan and a Leftist

YES, hell YES, I am partisan.

I am, after all, a liberal Snowflake, and a Canadian to boot.

Despite that, I voted for the Conservatives in our last provincial election (Ontario).

But all you get to hear on forums like this one is how corrupt the other side is. Downright evil, even. Hence why the States has problems we thankfully don't have (at least not to the degree Americans have).

Intolerance, bigotry, ignorance, and hyper-partisan where EVERYTHING my guy does or says is acceptable and EVERYTHING your guy says is foolish and stupid.

However, being the partisan leftie that I am, there is no equivalency. There might be some dishonest politicians on the Left, some corrupt ones, kooky ones. There might be some leftist views that might be seen as wonky. Woke. Too catering.

But NO WHERE is the outright dishonesty, the outright ugliness, the outright bigotry, the outright childishness MORE evident than on the Right.

Plain and simple, full stop.

I honesty believe they really DO want a police state where they can control women, tell private enterprises what they can or can not advertise, where they would gladly loosen laws on police brutality, and insert their religious beliefs into schools. They would not only ban abortions, but Drag shows, numerous books and movies, even gay marriage - IF they ever got complete control of all branches of government.

So, yeah, I am partisan. I am a Leftist. Because I don't want a country, whether mine or yours, to be run by people who are control freaks. I don't want a country where elections are deemed "stolen" if the vote isn't to their liking or where they would love to deny a whole swath of people the vote. And are willing to use violence to meet their ends.

Period.

 

[JasperL]

If you can't even be bothered to point to your explanation I see no reason to spend my time trying to find it.

So, why don't we just agree your assertion that my question was in "bad faith" was a clumsy lie and move on.

Fine. #87

But even this response is on its face very stupid. I have an opinion that your question was in bad faith, explained it in detail, you quoted and ignored my points, but even if you disagreed, my view on your question isn't a clumsy lie, because my assertion is my opinion, and I backed that up. You disagreeing could be evidence you are intellectually unable to grasp the obvious point, or maybe you believe we owe you a response when you demand it, or else. But a view, explained in detail, is not a 'clumsy lie' in any rational world.

It's even dumber, actually unbelievably dumb, to assert that if someone doesn't jump when you say how high that it's evidence of anything. I'm still waiting on you to respond to each point in #92, with specificity, or else I get to decide what character flaw you just proved!

So, hop to it. @NatMorton refused to answer my points in #92 proving _______!!! He ran away, repeatedly! I win the internets!!

 

[JasperL]

I think a broad brush personal attack aimed at 71 million Americans is beyond stupid. We can leave it there.

That's you.

You also agreed with this broad brush personal attack aimed at 80 million Americans, and you call broad brushing entire swaths of the electorate" beyond stupid" when someone else (me) doesn't in fact broad brush all those voters, but you think, somehow, it's OK when you broad brush entire swaths of the electorate or someone else does, if the broad brushing is of those on the left.

"Leftism, by definition, is tribalism. They [80 million voters] are made up of tribes cobbled together under the umbrella of VICTIMHOOD. It's their [80 million voters] religion really. There's zero accountability in their [80 million voters] religion. And their [80 million voters] solution is always socialism."

So we have just demonstrated that your broad brushing of 'the left' is beyond stupid, by you!! QED!!

 

[NatMorton]

Fine. #87

But even this response is on its face very stupid. I have an opinion that your question was in bad faith, explained it in detail, you quoted and ignored my points, but even if you disagreed, my view on your question isn't a clumsy lie, because my assertion is my opinion, and I backed that up. You disagreeing could be evidence you are intellectually unable to grasp the obvious point, or maybe you believe we owe you a response when you demand it, or else. But a view, explained in detail, is not a 'clumsy lie' in any rational world.

It's even dumber, actually unbelievably dumb, to assert that if someone doesn't jump when you say how high that it's evidence of anything. I'm still waiting on you to respond to each point in #92, with specificity, or else I get to decide what character flaw you just proved!

So, hop to it. @NatMorton refused to answer my points in #92 proving _______!!! He ran away, repeatedly! I win the internets!!

Did you not see post 89, where I answered your question directly and reminded you that exclusively following one side’s media was not a test I proposed here, but rather one Mr. Person did?

I answered your question, and my original question was entirely it good faith. It was asked to see if Mr Person could pass his own partisanship test (which, no surprise, he could not.). So that question was not only an honest one, it was an effective one.

 

[JasperL]

Did you not see post 89...

I did. The substance is "nuh uhhh!!!!"

No, it’s not a stupid question. As I said above, it’s a handy test. Case in point, Mr Person ran from that question, which provided us with our answer. He’s partisan, not principled.

And you've run from my posts 92, 101, and 102, therefore proving YOU are partisan, not principled!!! QED!!!

You also asserted the standard that broad brushing 70+ million voters is "beyond stupid" and of course you started our your comments in this thread broad brushing 70+ million voters, which you say is "beyond stupid", then agreed with an even broader broad-brush 'attack' on 70+ million voters, proving with your own test that your broad brushing is beyond stupid!!

In fact, if you looked at the post I replied to, you will see it wasn’t me who first said in this thread that blindly following positions from left- or right-wing media is the sign of “partisan hackery,” it was him (post 57). So, ironically, he and I agree on that standard. I merely gave him a helping boost so that he could nestle comfortably on top of his own petard.

Use your own standard to evaluate your own running away. According to you, running away is proof of partisanship, and lack of principles!! Please respond with specificity to 87 (nuh uhhhh!! isn't specificity enough to suit me), 92, 101, 102 or else you prove your own partisanship!! Or whatever character flaw I determine is evidenced by your non-responses.

 

[NatMorton]

I did. The substance is "nuh uhhh!!!!"

And you've run from my posts 92, 101, and 102, therefore proving YOU are partisan, not principled!!! QED!!!

You also asserted the standard that broad brushing 70+ million voters is "beyond stupid" and of course you started our your comments in this thread broad brushing 70+ million voters, which you say is "beyond stupid", then agreed with an even broader broad-brush 'attack' on 70+ million voters, proving with your own test that your broad brushing is beyond stupid!!

Use your own standard to evaluate your own running away. According to you, running away is proof of partisanship, and lack of principles!! Please respond with specificity to 87 (nuh uhhhh!! isn't specificity enough to suit me), 92, 101, 102 or else you prove your own partisanship!! Or whatever character flaw I determine is evidenced by your non-responses.

Given what I answered in post 89 and reiterated in 103, please explain why you still think my question to Mr Person was in bad faith. Please speak to the points I made in those posts. What you think of my intelligence is both understood and of absolutely no concern to me, so you can save your keystrokes on that front.

 

[JasperL]

Given what I answered in post 89 and reiterated in 103, please explain why you still think my question to Mr Person was in bad faith. Please speak to the points I made in those posts. What you think of my intelligence is both understood and of absolutely no concern to me, so you can save your keystrokes on that front.

Please respond to my points 92, 101, and 102! Please speak to the points, with specificity, that I raised on #87!

 

[renee]

I own saying it, and I fully stand by it. It is an extreme left wing ideology, and it's led to the slaughter of 10s of millions of people over the last 100 years.

I guess you prefer fascism

 

[NatMorton]

Please respond to my points 92, 101, and 102! Please speak to the points, with specificity, that I raised on #87!

No, I'm not playing "find the point" in your pile of turgid posts. If you have a question or counter point, make it simply and make it directly. I also don't feel the need to respond to a shotgun of topics, so I suggest you keep your posts to a single point if you want that point addressed.

I continue to stand by my earlier assertion. Your claim that my question to Mr P was in bad faith is nonsense, and itself may be a bad faith statement.

 

[NatMorton]

I guess you prefer fascism

I guess you prefer idiotic accusations.

 

[renee]

I guess you prefer idiotic accusations.

Like you did?

 

[RetiredUSN]

YES, hell YES, I am partisan.

I am, after all, a liberal Snowflake, and a Canadian to boot.

Despite that, I voted for the Conservatives in our last provincial election (Ontario).

But all you get to hear on forums like this one is how corrupt the other side is. Downright evil, even. Hence why the States has problems we thankfully don't have (at least not to the degree Americans have).

Intolerance, bigotry, ignorance, and hyper-partisan where EVERYTHING my guy does or says is acceptable and EVERYTHING your guy says is foolish and stupid.

However, being the partisan leftie that I am, there is no equivalency. There might be some dishonest politicians on the Left, some corrupt ones, kooky ones. There might be some leftist views that might be seen as wonky. Woke. Too catering.

But NO WHERE is the outright dishonesty, the outright ugliness, the outright bigotry, the outright childishness MORE evident than on the Right.

Plain and simple, full stop.

I honesty believe they really DO want a police state where they can control women, tell private enterprises what they can or can not advertise, where they would gladly loosen laws on police brutality, and insert their religious beliefs into schools. They would not only ban abortions, but Drag shows, numerous books and movies, even gay marriage - IF they ever got complete control of all branches of government.

So, yeah, I am partisan. I am a Leftist. Because I don't want a country, whether mine or yours, to be run by people who are control freaks. I don't want a country where elections are deemed "stolen" if the vote isn't to their liking or where they would love to deny a whole swath of people the vote. And are willing to use violence to meet their ends.

Period.

You're a lot of things, but honest wouldn't be the first impression of you that comes to mind.

You troll 24/7/365 hoping to get a reaction out of people.

Obnoxiously amusing would be the ultimate descriptor for you.

Have a great day!

 

[NatMorton]

Like you did?

You have a nice day.

 

[JasperL]

No, I'm not playing "find the point" in your pile of turgid posts.

Huh, so you don't owe me a reply on demand??!!! If you get that then you understand why when you say 'jump' and someone else ignores you that it's not evidence of anything but they decided not to jump, on demand, by someone who is arguing all over this thread in bad faith, which is you.

 

[NatMorton]

Huh, so you don't owe me a reply on demand??!!! If you get that then you understand why when you say 'jump' and someone else ignores you that it's not evidence of anything but they decided not to jump, on demand, by someone who is arguing all over this thread in bad faith, which is you.

I asked Mr P a simple, direct question. I invite you to do the same.

 

[JasperL]

I asked Mr P a simple, direct question. I invite you to do the same.

And he ignored you. So sad....

I ask you questions and you run away. Also very sad.... but it means I win!!

 

[NatMorton]

And he ignored you. So sad....

How confused can you be? It’s not sad from my perspective. His refusal to answer is an answer. He won’t cite a position he holds that differs from left-wing media because he doesn’t have one and — by his own standard — has proven himself to be someone who (again, his own words) spouts “partisan hackery.”

I ask you questions and you run away. Also very sad.... but it means I win!!

Ask a simple, direct question and you’ll get an answer. But if you rather not and pretend you've "won," go for it. I don't really care as, much like Mr. P, your unwillingness to engage honestly and directly says a great deal more about you than me.

 

[JasperL]

How confused can you be? It’s not sad from my perspective. His refusal to answer is an answer. He won’t cite a position he holds that differs from left-wing media because he doesn’t have one and — by his own standard — has proven himself to be someone who (again, his own words) spouts “partisan hackery.”

No, it means he didn't answer. Much like you didn't respond with specificity (or at all for several) to my points in 87, 92, 101, 102. Your refusal is an answer!

Ask a simple, direct question and you’ll get an answer. But if you rather not and pretend you've "won," go for it. I don't really care as, much like Mr. P, your unwillingness to engage honestly and directly says a great deal more about you than me.

Oh, I see, responding in detail to your points that you then ignore is being "unwilling to engage honestly and directly"!!! Seems... like hackery... that you make arbitrary rules for others then ignore them for yourself!

 

[NatMorton]

No, it means he didn't answer. Much like you didn't respond with specificity (or at all for several) to my points in 87, 92, 101, 102. Your refusal is an answer!

He dodged the question. I have asked you to repeat yours. Big difference.

 

[JasperL]

He dodged the question.

You dodged my questions. Not answering is an answer! Your dodging proves I win!!! I'm just following your rules!

I have asked you to repeat yours. Big difference.

How do you tell the difference between a sea lion and a seal?

 

[NatMorton]

You dodged my questions. Not answering is an answer! Your dodging proves I win!!! I'm just following your rules!

Please repeat a question you'd like answered.

How do you tell the difference between a sea lion and a seal?

By asking me a question, per the above. This is not difficult.

 

[ataraxia]

Leftism, by definition, is tribalism. They are made up of tribes cobbled together under the umbrella of VICTIMHOOD. It's their religion really. There's zero accountability in their religion. And their solution is always socialism.

 

[NatMorton]

Trumpsubstantiation?

 

[The Mark]

...and transitions right into the "we're better than Americans" phase.

Boring

To be fair, as a leftist progressive, I want many of the things Canada has, like a safety net which ensures everyone can get health care if needed.

 

[Allan]

To be fair, as a leftist progressive, I want many of the things Canada has, like a safety net which ensures everyone can get health care if needed.

There are more than a few conservatives on this forum that support universal healthcare.