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Yes, I am partisan and a Leftist

YES, hell YES, I am partisan.

I am, after all, a liberal Snowflake, and a Canadian to boot.

Despite that, I voted for the Conservatives in our last provincial election (Ontario).

But all you get to hear on forums like this one is how corrupt the other side is. Downright evil, even. Hence why the States has problems we thankfully don't have (at least not to the degree Americans have).

Intolerance, bigotry, ignorance, and hyper-partisan where EVERYTHING my guy does or says is acceptable and EVERYTHING your guy says is foolish and stupid.

However, being the partisan leftie that I am, there is no equivalency. There might be some dishonest politicians on the Left, some corrupt ones, kooky ones. There might be some leftist views that might be seen as wonky. Woke. Too catering.

But NO WHERE is the outright dishonesty, the outright ugliness, the outright bigotry, the outright childishness MORE evident than on the Right.

Plain and simple, full stop.

I honesty believe they really DO want a police state where they can control women, tell private enterprises what they can or can not advertise, where they would gladly loosen laws on police brutality, and insert their religious beliefs into schools. They would not only ban abortions, but Drag shows, numerous books and movies, even gay marriage - IF they ever got complete control of all branches of government.

So, yeah, I am partisan. I am a Leftist. Because I don't want a country, whether mine or yours, to be run by people who are control freaks. I don't want a country where elections are deemed "stolen" if the vote isn't to their liking or where they would love to deny a whole swath of people the vote. And are willing to use violence to meet their ends.

Period.
 
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NatMorton said:
Nothing wrong with repeating the truth.
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The simple truth is that the earlier generation of conservatives were not typically authoritarians and there is nothing wrong in pointing out current political errors.
 
tacomancer said:
The simple truth is that the earlier generation of conservatives were not typically authoritarians and there is nothing wrong in pointing out current political errors.
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"Simple" is a great way to describe that.
 
NatMorton said:
Yes, it does. Blind partisanship is both simplistic and a mistake.
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So, the cure? Comes from self. Blaming others while doing the same is kinda hypocritical, isn't it?

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NatMorton said:
I just knew by the end of this post you’d be proving my point, and I wasn’t disappointed.
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Hardly proving you point. You suggest that liberals think conservatives have bad ideas. I am saying they have almost no ideas. Remember, the Republican party did not have a platform in 2020 (no ideas); the Republicans complained about inflation in 2022, yet did not put forth one idea on how to fix it; Republicans complained for a decade about the PPACA and kept repeating the mantra of repeal and replace, but they never had a replacement. The beginning of the 2024 campaign season we merely are talking about "wokeism" (before that, it was CRT), as if that were some type of issue. Most of the people have no idea what these candidates are talking about, what the issue is and what the solution is. Frankly, its silliness. A party without a platform making up issues.

Republicans are not a party that necessarily has bad ideas; they are a party without ideas. Now, they let there leadership become overrun with bad people, but those are not ideas.

What I am proving is the you have "no idea" how to actually defend my assertions. Show us all the "bad ideas" or any policy ideas currently put forth by Republicans (so we can consider them, THEN maybe call them bad ideas). I gave you specifics; you respond with vagueness. Try again.
 
upsideguy said:
Hardly proving you point. You suggest that liberals think conservatives have bad ideas. I am saying they have almost no ideas. Remember, the Republican party did not have a platform in 2020 (no ideas); the Republicans complained about inflation in 2022, yet did not put forth one idea on how to fix it; Republicans complained for a decade about the PPACA and kept repeating the mantra of repeal and replace, but they never had a replacement. The beginning of the 2024 campaign season we merely are talking about "wokeism" (before that, it was CRT), as if that were some type of issue. Most of the people have no idea what these candidates are talking about, what the issue is and what the solution is. Frankly, its silliness. A party without a platform making up issues.

Republicans are not a party that necessarily has bad ideas; they are a party without ideas. Now, they let there leadership become overrun with bad people, but those are not ideas.

What I am proving is the you have "no idea" how to actually defend my assertions. Show us all the "bad ideas" or any policy ideas currently put forth by Republicans (so we can consider them, THEN maybe call them bad ideas). I gave you specifics; you respond with vagueness. Try again.
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If you think Republicans are bad, read the comments on here from our resident Righties. They are against EVERYTHING. And moan and groan like babies when criticized. Joe Biden stumbles and they post multiple threads. NONE on how to tackle the real issues of the day though.
NONE!
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
If you think Republicans are bad, read the comments on here from our resident Righties. They are against EVERYTHING. And moan and groan like babies when criticized. Joe Biden stumbles and they post multiple threads. NONE on how to tackle the real issues of the day though.
NONE!
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I agree... there are but a very few 'right wing' posters that actually have command of the issues and even fewer capable of a cogent argument thereon. It is mostly as you say. It seems they only can parrot the Conservative Treehouse or equivalent rag, but lack the critical thinking skills or the hunger for the truth to actually have command of the underlying issue that rag is putting forth.

Real Republicans are an endangered species. Most have left the party. I have been here long enough to have had good wholesome arguments with Conservatives, who were obvious Conservatives eight to ten years ago, but most newer people on this board think are liberals... and they are not. They just would not go along with the hijacking of the Republican party.
 
The Conservative party is pretty disgusting right now. We need to get rid of all the religious whacko's/Qanoners/Election deniers/ and most of all MAGA. It's time to get back to good old fashioned Conservative values minus the religious nuts.

The Liberals have always been disgusting immoral humans.
 
Mongidig said:
The Liberals have always been disgusting immoral humans.
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And the right has always been about punching down, because they lack the guts to do anything else.
 
NatMorton said:
I will repeat it again. As a generalization, conservatives think liberals are people with bad ideas. Liberals think conservatives are bad people with ideas. This axiom is proven out day after day here on DP.
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Yes- but from women’s suffrage, to the obsolescence of monarchies, to expansions of civil rights, only one side has consistently been on the retreat in the modern world.
 
Mongidig said:
The Conservative party is pretty disgusting right now. We need to get rid of all the religious whacko's/Qanoners/Election deniers/ and most of all MAGA. It's time to get back to good old fashioned Conservative values minus the religious nuts.

The Liberals have always been disgusting immoral humans.
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From women’s rights, to civil rights for minorities, to the elimination of aristocracy and monarchy, to elimination of child labor, to 5 day work weeks, to workplace safety regulations, etc, etc….- you can thank liberals.

All these positions, of course, were once considered disgusting and immoral- until they were established in society. Then, of course, conservatives started acting like it was all their idea in the first place.
 
ataraxia said:
Yes- but from women’s suffrage, to the obsolescence of monarchies, to expansions of civil rights, only one side has consistently been on the retreat in the modern world.
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The left has its problem with rights, too, namely those concerning speech and property. In fact, let’s look at extreme left ideology, Marxist socialism. What’s its track record defending human rights?
 
NatMorton said:
The left has its problem with rights, too, namely those concerning speech and property. In fact, let’s look at extreme left ideology, Marxist socialism.
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Why? Is that even a thing nowadays?

Right wing extremism, on the other hand , is the biggest domestic terrorism threat in the US today.
NatMorton said:
What’s its track record defending human rights?
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You are correct. Modern liberalism has a poor track record of tolerating intolerance. And I’m OK with that. I see nothing hypocritical about it.
 
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Marxist socialism
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yeah yeah, the left is all about marxist socialism. canada must be marxist. ditto for most of europe. ditto for australia. ditto for most democracies, amirite? for you, anything left of far right is "marxist."
hyperbole that is OVER THE TOP doesn't impress, it really doesn't. It just shows people how limited your world view is.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
yeah yeah, the left is all about marxist socialism. canada must be marxist. ditto for most of europe. ditto for australia. ditto for most democracies, amirite? for you, anything left of far right is "marxist."
hyperbole that is OVER THE TOP doesn't impress, it really doesn't. It just shows people how limited your world view is.
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I did label it "extreme." Do you think it is not?
 
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