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Yes, I am partisan and a Leftist

YES, hell YES, I am partisan.

I am, after all, a liberal Snowflake, and a Canadian to boot.

Despite that, I voted for the Conservatives in our last provincial election (Ontario).

But all you get to hear on forums like this one is how corrupt the other side is. Downright evil, even. Hence why the States has problems we thankfully don't have (at least not to the degree Americans have).

Intolerance, bigotry, ignorance, and hyper-partisan where EVERYTHING my guy does or says is acceptable and EVERYTHING your guy says is foolish and stupid.

However, being the partisan leftie that I am, there is no equivalency. There might be some dishonest politicians on the Left, some corrupt ones, kooky ones. There might be some leftist views that might be seen as wonky. Woke. Too catering.

But NO WHERE is the outright dishonesty, the outright ugliness, the outright bigotry, the outright childishness MORE evident than on the Right.

Plain and simple, full stop.

I honesty believe they really DO want a police state where they can control women, tell private enterprises what they can or can not advertise, where they would gladly loosen laws on police brutality, and insert their religious beliefs into schools. They would not only ban abortions, but Drag shows, numerous books and movies, even gay marriage - IF they ever got complete control of all branches of government.

So, yeah, I am partisan. I am a Leftist. Because I don't want a country, whether mine or yours, to be run by people who are control freaks. I don't want a country where elections are deemed "stolen" if the vote isn't to their liking or where they would love to deny a whole swath of people the vote. And are willing to use violence to meet their ends.

Period.
 
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NatMorton said:
In your view, what’s the difference between a Trump voter and a “MAGA moron?” (And how do you tell them apart?)
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MAGA morons:


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I hope THAT answers your question.
 
NatMorton said:
We’re in agreement that crew are morons, but “MAGA” is a much bigger crowd.
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Oh I agree, there are more morons in MAGA than just those in the picture.
 
NatMorton said:
In your view, what’s the difference between a Trump voter and a “MAGA moron?” (And how do you tell them apart?)
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What's the difference between a sea lion and a seal? And how do you tell them apart?
 
NatMorton said:
Nope, that was a sincere question, but I understand why you’re reluctant to answer it.
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What's the difference between you, a supposed conservative, and the MAGA morons? If you can answer that question, you have my answer, which you know of course because I explained it in great detail. If there is no difference, that's also my answer.
 
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Leftism, by definition, is tribalism. They are made up of tribes cobbled together under the umbrella of VICTIMHOOD. It's their religion really. There's zero accountability in their religion. And their solution is always socialism.
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Now my irony meter's all ****ed up.
 
JasperL said:
What's the difference between you, a supposed conservative, and the MAGA morons? If you can answer that question, you have my answer, which you know of course because I explained it in great detail. If there is no difference, that's also my answer.
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The biggest difference is that I don’t suppprt Trump. I suspect I’m also much less partisan than most.

Now, will you answer my question? (Though keep in mind, avoiding the question is a way of answering it).
 
NatMorton said:
@Mr Person, just a reminder that upstairs criticism directed at others needs to be credible. Will you be answering this question anytime soon?
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Safe to now say Mr Person cannot come up with even a single position he holds that doesn’t jibe with the far left media, and that he has, as a consequence, failed his own test of “… partisan hackery… That's an inherent dishonesty. A self-blinding. A repetition of whatever you're told by the narrow slice of media you consume (and if you're a partisan hack, you do consume just a narrow slice). Tribalism above all else.”

I couldn’t have said it better.
 
NatMorton said:
The biggest difference is that I don’t suppprt Trump.
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That's a useless statement. Why don't you 'support' Trump? He's the unquestioned 'head' of the modern day GOP, huge favorite among the GOP base. So why doesn't a self described "conservative" "support" Trump?

NatMorton said:
I suspect I’m also much less partisan than most.
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Of course - everyone believes they're just 'correct' or 'principled' versus partisan. Tells me nothing, other than your own high regard for your own views.
NatMorton said:
Now, will you answer my question? (Though keep in mind, avoiding the question is a way of answering it).
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I've written two lengthy responses to you. You ignored them. And you moved the goal posts with your question, from the GOP "as it exists in DC" to 74 million voters, so forgive me for not chasing you around kicking to moving goal posts, and writing more responses you ignore or that you pretend you don't understand.
 
NatMorton said:
Safe to now say Mr Person cannot come up with even a single position he holds that doesn’t jibe with the far left media, and that he has, as a consequence, failed his own test of “… partisan hackery… That's an inherent dishonesty. A self-blinding. A repetition of whatever you're told by the narrow slice of media you consume (and if you're a partisan hack, you do consume just a narrow slice). Tribalism above all else.”

I couldn’t have said it better.
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You demand someone list a 'position', undefined subject, undefined position, that doesn't "jibe" with 'the far left media' which is also undefined (MSNBC for example has I'd guess several dozen contributors/hosts/regular guests, then demand we tell you which opinions on ???? subject expressed by ????? person or persons on some 'left wing' media platform we don't agree with.

It's a stupid question, asked in bad faith, and then our unwillingness to feed your sea lioning BS is then proof of something, tribalism!!

Just for example, I don't watch cable news, so which position on which subject are you inquiring about, and you'd need to link that viewpoint being expressed somehow versus me trusting your interpretation, expressed by which host or guest or contributor am I supposed to disagree with or else I'm just a dumb partisan repeating what I'm told? And then if I do agree with that position on ???? expressed by ????? then wouldn't I have to agree with all positions by persons X and Y and Z and A and B and C and D and ZZZ, because if on any of those undefined positions that, since I don't watch cable news I'm not actually aware of them expressing, I have my own view that isn't in line, it's evidence I do think for myself.
 
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JasperL said:
That's a useless statement. Why don't you 'support' Trump? He's the unquestioned 'head' of the modern day GOP, huge favorite among the GOP base. So why doesn't a self described "conservative" "support" Trump?
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He fails the character test, spectacularly, and is temperamentally unfit for that office.

JasperL said:
Of course - everyone believes they're just 'correct' or 'principled' versus partisan. Tells me nothing, other than your own high regard for your own views.

I've written two lengthy responses to you. You ignored them. And you moved the goal posts with your question, from the GOP "as it exists in DC" to 74 million voters, so forgive me for not chasing you around kicking to moving goal posts, and writing more responses you ignore or that you pretend you don't understand.
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Brevity isn’t always easy.

And yes, most believe believe they’re principled, but if you’re looking for a good (though not perfect) test to see whether someone’s “principles” are a charade, do what I did in post 58. The folks who run from that question almost always put partisan interests first.
 
JasperL said:
You demand someone list a 'position', undefined subject, undefined position, that doesn't "jibe" with 'the far left media' which is also undefined (MSNBC for example has I'd guess several dozen contributors/hosts/regular guests, then demand we tell you which opinions on ???? subject expressed by ????? person or persons on some 'left wing' media platform we don't agree with.

It's a stupid question, asked in bad faith, and then our unwillingness to feed your sea lioning BS is then proof of something, tribalism!!

Just for example, I don't watch cable news, so which position on which subject are you inquiring about, and you'd need to link that viewpoint being expressed somehow versus me trusting your interpretation, expressed by which host or guest or contributor am I supposed to disagree with or else I'm just a dumb partisan repeating what I'm told? And then if I do agree with that position on ???? expressed by ????? then wouldn't I have to agree with all positions by persons X and Y and Z and A and B and C and D and ZZZ, because if on any of those undefined positions that, since I don't watch cable news I'm not actually aware of them expressing, I have my own view that isn't in line, it's evidence I do think for myself.
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No, it’s not a stupid question. As I said above, it’s a handy test. Case in point, Mr Person ran from that question, which provided us with our answer. He’s partisan, not principled.

In fact, if you looked at the post I replied to, you will see it wasn’t me who first said in this thread that blindly following positions from left- or right-wing media is the sign of “partisan hackery,” it was him (post 57). So, ironically, he and I agree on that standard. I merely gave him a helping boost so that he could nestle comfortably on top of his own petard.
 
NatMorton said:
He fails the character test, spectacularly, and is temperamentally unfit for that office.
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Well, no kidding. I'm pretty sure I said just exactly that..... Guess you're just a mindless Rachel Maddow sheep because I'm pretty sure she agrees with you on that.

So why the hell did you act confused about me drawing a distinction between THAT man and his followers versus a 'conservative?'

How can I tell them apart? As I said, if you answer why YOU don't support Trump, you'll have my answer, and you gave a good answer.
NatMorton said:
Brevity isn’t always easy.

And yes, most believe believe they’re principled, but if you’re looking for a good (though not perfect) test to see whether someone’s “principles” are a charade, do what I did in post 58. The folks who run from that question almost always put partisan interests first.
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No, people who aren't impressed by sea-lioning bad faith questions recognize them for what they are and decide not to entertain them.
 
JasperL said:
Well, no kidding. I'm pretty sure I said just exactly that..... Guess you're just a mindless Rachel Maddow sheep because I'm pretty sure she agrees with you on that.
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You have an odd habit of asking a question and then complaining that an answer has been given.

JasperL said:
So why the hell did you act confused about me drawing a distinction between THAT man and his followers versus a 'conservative?'
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Because I’m not so foolish as to automatically believe that people who disagree with me on Trump’s character do so because they have the same character flaws.

JasperL said:
How can I tell them apart? As I said, if you answer why YOU don't support Trump, you'll have my answer, and you gave a good answer.

No, people who aren't impressed by sea-lioning bad faith questions recognize them for what they are and decide not to entertain them.
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I think a broad brush personal attack aimed at 71 million Americans is beyond stupid. We can leave it there.
 
NatMorton said:
You have an odd habit of asking a question and then complaining that an answer has been given.
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It's because you didn't bother to quote or respond to multiple points I made that you then repeat.

Your response is how I distinguished MAGAs from 'conservatives' and yet you pretended to be confused about that, wondered how I tell if someone is a MAGA or a conservative. Well, your response is AN answer and a good one. There's much more I would say, but "spectacularly" failing the character test is bread enough to capture most of them. I don't know how 'good' people support such an obviously terrible person.
NatMorton said:
Because I’m not so foolish as to automatically believe that people who disagree with me on Trump’s character do so because they have the same character flaws.
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Who said they had the 'same' character flaws? Sure as hell wasn't me. I am sure most aren't as completely without any morals, ethics, character, are not narcissists, crooks or con men like Trump. What they ARE however, are people who support such a man. That's a different character flaw and one I do not respect. There could be many reasons for that, such as he owns the libs and the enemy of their 'enemies' is a friend. Maybe they like he's a bully, or maybe they just like that he's rich, or funny.
NatMorton said:
I think a broad brush personal attack aimed at 71 million Americans is beyond stupid. We can leave it there.
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Of course I did not broad brush 71 million Americans. That's you debating dishonestly, and lying about my views, or just not bothering to read replies. Just for example, I would imagine many of those who voted for Trump just thought he was the lesser bad option, maybe they care only about taxes, or court appointments, for example. I've often voted for the least bad option. I don't hang flags on my house for that least bad option, and I don't put stickers on my car for con men, liars, narcissists, womanizers, adulterers, crooks, those who fail the character test "spectacularly" as you put it. Hell, I don't vote for that kind of person in the primary.

What's hilarious is you started your efforts on this thread by broad brushing 80 million Americans, then call broad brushing 71 million Americans "beyond stupid." Remember this: "I will repeat it again. As a generalization, conservatives think liberals are people with bad ideas. Liberals think conservatives are bad people with ideas. This axiom is proven out day after day here on DP."
 
JasperL said:
You do a very bad job of reading posts, or are deliberately missing the point. Either way, I obviously wasted my time actually taking your post seriously. You didn't bother to do the same in return, which I should have expected I guess. Shame on me for wasting my time!
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That's always his game.
 
Mr Person said:
That's always his game.
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Oh good, you're back.

No let's see if I can make you disappear again.

Yes, I am partisan and a Leftist

YES, hell YES, I am partisan. I am, after all, a liberal Snowflake, and a Canadian to boot. Despite that, I voted for the Conservatives in our last provincial election (Ontario). But all you get to hear on forums like this one is how corrupt the other side is. Downright evil, even. Hence why...
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NatMorton said:
Oh good, you're back.

No let's see if I can make you disappear again.

Yes, I am partisan and a Leftist

YES, hell YES, I am partisan. I am, after all, a liberal Snowflake, and a Canadian to boot. Despite that, I voted for the Conservatives in our last provincial election (Ontario). But all you get to hear on forums like this one is how corrupt the other side is. Downright evil, even. Hence why...
debatepolitics.com debatepolitics.com
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Huh, wonder why people don't respond to your bad faith challenges on demand? MYSTERY!!! :ROFLMAO:

BTW, I made YOU disappear. Must mean you're just a blind partisan. Q.E.D.
 
JasperL said:
Huh, wonder why people don't respond to your bad faith challenges on demand? MYSTERY!!! :ROFLMAO:

BTW, I made YOU disappear. Must mean you're just a blind partisan. Q.E.D.
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What’s bad faith about it? Be specific.
 
NatMorton said:
What’s bad faith about it? Be specific.
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I specifically explained why the 'challenge' is stupid and in bad faith and you, of course, ignored it. Right on cue you prove the point!! Bravo! :ROFLMAO:

And I made you run away - post 92. Answer every point, and BE SPECIFIC, or else your failure to address every one of my points, with proper specificity, proves whatever I decide!! QED!!
 
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NatMorton said:
Cite the post.
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No! You can scroll back. You quoted it and ignored every point. As you do.

You respond to every point I made in #92, with specificity!! I demand it and your failure is proof of whatever I decide!!
 
JasperL said:
No! You can scroll back. You quoted it and ignored every point. As you do.

You respond to every point I made in #92, with specificity!! I demand it and your failure is proof of whatever I decide!!
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If you can't even be bothered to point to your explanation I see no reason to spend my time trying to find it.

So, why don't we just agree your assertion that my question was in "bad faith" was a clumsy lie and move on.
 
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