When it comes to tossing the salad(a metaphor for anal oral sex) of illegals and pro-illegals for votes, there are those in both parties whose tongues are in pretty deep. Sure there might be a few people concerned about the costs of accomplishing this feat, but then against we give away billions in foreign aid and probably spend more than that on the space program and blow all kinds of money on nonessential programs, so cost is not really a issue then. To pro-illegals a sealed border means less or no illegals getting through despite their claims a wall will never stop anyone from illegally crossing....sealing the best we can. AT LEAST until things are under control better.
These guys just aren't thinking.
wtf.....I'll bite...sealing the best we can. AT LEAST until things are under control better.
These guys just aren't thinking.
Typical of extreme leftist/socialist and those who hate the Tea Partiers too. People working to protect these undeserving assclowns who should be placed at the southern Mexican border so they can get a rifle butt in the face like the other folks crossing that border. I think the answer is to place the US Army at the border and machine gun down the bastards who try to cross illegally, including the Mexican army. You'll see in about two days a sudden attitude change at the border. You probably won't see anyone within a ****ing mile of the border for fear of getting killed. I'm getting fed up with the bull**** down there.Sealing the border the best we can???
Not with this attitude.
YouTube - Liberal Activist Compares US Border Patrol to the KKK
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Nicely done, couldn't have said it better myself. If OP was really concerned about our economy we'd welcome these undocumented workers and the economic contributions they bring with them. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and guess what, it isn't working for immigration either. Open up the borders, let them come in and work legally, that way we can document them and regulate them to get rid of the few bad apples. A better question is why would anyone in their right minds make an argument against letting people into this country who only want to do an honest days work? Threads like this expose the people who oppose free immigration for the xenophobes and racists they often are (and those that aren't racist are just woefully misguided).wtf.....I'll bite
You stepped over the line here. You don't know the definitions of the words you use. Wanting to protect our borders is neither.Nicely done, couldn't have said it better myself. If OP was really concerned about our economy we'd welcome these undocumented workers and the economic contributions they bring with them. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and guess what, it isn't working for immigration either. Open up the borders, let them come in and work legally, that way we can document them and regulate them to get rid of the few bad apples. A better question is why would anyone in their right minds make an argument against letting people into this country who only want to do an honest days work? Threads like this expose the people who oppose free immigration for the xenophobes and racists they often are (and those that aren't racist are just woefully misguided).
That's why I added the parenthetical about being woefully misguided. If that is truly your purpose, to protect the borders from criminals and people who would do out country harm, then "sealing" the borders is precisely the opposite of accomplishing this goal. The border can never be completely sealed, it is just a factual impossibility. Why cling to this fantasy that a border can be sealed? Criminals will always be able to sneak across the border, the trouble with our policy now is that the criminals who sneak across the border for nefarious purposes are doing it at the same time as millions of people who are doing it for the completely innocent purpose of wanting to work and make a better life in the USA. If we let them do it legally, then it will be much easier to protect ourselves because the honest people can just cross the border in compliance with regulations.You stepped over the line here. You don't know the definitions of the words you use. Wanting to protect our borders is neither.
That was your disclaimer, but what you want to do is label people as xenophobes and racists; which is typically expected from the left. That is not the way to handle this. You don't apologize for lawbreakers by slamming those who support the law. Mexico is corrupt to the core, and the US needs to show them who is boss around here.That's why I added the parenthetical about being woefully misguided. If that is truly your purpose, to protect the borders from criminals and people who would do out country harm, then "sealing" the borders is precisely the opposite of accomplishing this goal. The border can never be completely sealed, it is just a factual impossibility. Why cling to this fantasy that a border can be sealed? Criminals will always be able to sneak across the border, the trouble with our policy now is that the criminals who sneak across the border for nefarious purposes are doing it at the same time as millions of people who are doing it for the completely innocent purpose of wanting to work and make a better life in the USA. If we let them do it legally, then it will be much easier to protect ourselves because the honest people can just cross the border in compliance with regulations.
Lets play your stance. The US now lets anyone come in legally that wants to work. Do you really think that the 1000's that come across illegally will stop and use authorized entry points? No one that I have seen has objected to legal immigration. Just letting anyone cross our borders is crazy. I can agree we need immigration reform. IMO, to leave the borders the way they are now is not in the best interest of the US. Can the border be 100% sealed? Most likely not, but I bet we could cut the flow of illegal crossers down by a great percentage. We have a need for farm workers and manual labor types. The question is how many? The majority of our economy should not be based on low income workers.. If we let them do it legally, then it will be much easier to protect ourselves because the honest people can just cross the border in compliance with regulations.
I agree with making it cheaper and simpler, but that is no excuse whatsoever that they come in illegally. If some need to die at the border to make this point hit home, then it needs to happen. They don't have a right to be here, no matter what the cost is. It's illegal, and we are a sovereign nation, PERIOD.People come to this country illegally, because it's the bureaucracy and cost involved are too byzantine and high, respectively. It's simply out of their reach. Make it easier to get in, and more of them will take the legal path which offers far more opportunity than coming illegally
Oh, ****, man... that's the funniest thing I've heard all day... Listen to Captain Dictionary over here trying to correct people.You stepped over the line here. You don't know the definitions of the words you use. Wanting to protect our borders is neither.
and yet some pay coyotes 3-4 thousand to be smuggled in? Legal is to costly?People come to this country illegally, because it's the bureaucracy and cost involved are too byzantine and high, respectively. It's simply out of their reach. Make it easier to get in, and more of them will take the legal path which offers far more opportunity than coming illegally
I can tell you why I would be opposed to 'just letting them in.' We have a growing unemployment problem. MOST of them arent contributing to the economy, they are draining FROM the economy. They dont buy houses (which contributes to the economic growth and job market). They funnel billions into Mexico to their families still there. Its a siphon effect that inhibits economic growth from top to bottom.Nicely done, couldn't have said it better myself. If OP was really concerned about our economy we'd welcome these undocumented workers and the economic contributions they bring with them. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and guess what, it isn't working for immigration either. Open up the borders, let them come in and work legally, that way we can document them and regulate them to get rid of the few bad apples. A better question is why would anyone in their right minds make an argument against letting people into this country who only want to do an honest days work? Threads like this expose the people who oppose free immigration for the xenophobes and racists they often are (and those that aren't racist are just woefully misguided).
So if things continue to go bad in the US, your ok for me to just move to Canada (illegally)? Wasn't Canada part of NAFTA? So my friend to the North, prepare. your country will be next.I don't think that many people are arguing that the U.S. doesn't have the RIGHT to protect its borders, just that it's willfully ignoring the root of the problem. Why are people flocking through the southern border in unprecedented numbers when this wasn't really happening before? What caused the rise of the drug violence in the borderlands? You have to honestly examine the history and politics surrounding these factors, because they simply weren't there originally.
The answer has never been a wall. Walls don't solve problems, they just increase denial of the source. We should end the war on drugs and create positive reforms. We should amend NAFTA to resolve the many inequities it creates.
Until that day comes, you deserve every illegal that is racing for your territory. You made your bed, now lay in it.
And it often costs more to immigrate. The fees alone cost thousands, and this also doesn't address the fact that many of these people don't come from places with the best record keeping. You need a lot of documentation to cross. Even then, your chances aren't too great.and yet some pay coyotes 3-4 thousand to be smuggled in? Legal is to costly?
I have absolutely no problem with making it easier to legally immigrate to this country. We are a nation of immigrants and hard working immigrants have always been a key component of this nation's work force. However, we can't make meaningful reforms to legal immigration until we at least start to get a handle of illegal immigration. Because our de facto levels of immigration from Mexisco are sky high and it is mostly unskilled laborers, something our economy doesn't need massive amounts of. Plus, I don't trust the federal government to actually follow through on any promises of increased enforcement and reforms aimed at discouraging illegal immigration. We fell for that once before and look what it got us.People come to this country illegally, because it's the bureaucracy and cost involved are too byzantine and high, respectively. It's simply out of their reach. Make it easier to get in, and more of them will take the legal path which offers far more opportunity than coming illegally
So your willing to accept anyone into the US without knowing who/what they are? What law says immigration should be cheap and easy?And it often costs more to immigrate. The fees alone cost thousands, and this also doesn't address the fact that many of these people don't come from places with the best record keeping. You need a lot of documentation to cross. Even then, your chances aren't too great.
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I never called for an open border or not enforcing laws, but an easier way to get in.So your willing to accept anyone into the US without knowing who/what they are?
Why do there need to be laws currently supporting it? I'm talking about how we should change the laws, and pointing out that maybe there wouldn't be such an illegal immigration problem if the demographic that has the highest demand for immigration didn't have the most difficult time of making it in legally.What law says immigration should be cheap and easy?
Of course we should follow the law, and I don't expect meaningful reform in either direction to come for a while. I'm just saying what we should do.I have absolutely no problem with making it easier to legally immigrate to this country. We are a nation of immigrants and hard working immigrants have always been a key component of this nation's work force. However, we can't make meaningful reforms to legal immigration until we at least start to get a handle of illegal immigration. Because our de facto levels of immigration from Mexisco are sky high and it is mostly unskilled laborers, something our economy doesn't need massive amounts of. Plus, I don't trust the federal government to actually follow through on any promises of increased enforcement and reforms aimed at discouraging illegal immigration. We fell for that once before and look what it got us.
I've always said, I'm not opposed to providing a reasonable pathway to citizenship for people already here (provided they meet a few qualifications) and reforming the immigraion process to allow more people to join our nation legally (provided it doesn't run contrary to our economic needs). But first, I need to see real and effective measures taken towards increasing enforcement.