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Why would anyone in their right minds make arguments against sealing the border

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...sealing the best we can. AT LEAST until things are under control better.

These guys just aren't thinking.
 

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...sealing the best we can. AT LEAST until things are under control better.

These guys just aren't thinking.

When it comes to tossing the salad(a metaphor for anal oral sex) of illegals and pro-illegals for votes, there are those in both parties whose tongues are in pretty deep. Sure there might be a few people concerned about the costs of accomplishing this feat, but then against we give away billions in foreign aid and probably spend more than that on the space program and blow all kinds of money on nonessential programs, so cost is not really a issue then. To pro-illegals a sealed border means less or no illegals getting through despite their claims a wall will never stop anyone from illegally crossing.


BTW this doesn't belong in the breaking news section,unless there is a news article about the subject. Other than that it belongs in the immigration forum section.
 
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...sealing the best we can. AT LEAST until things are under control better.

These guys just aren't thinking.

wtf.....I'll bite

Things will not get under control and it will continue to be a loosing fight until both parties in Congress (including future admins) clean up YOUR unwashed, smelly-assed backyard (like bull**** promises of redistribution of wealth and class warfare) and remove the very powerful draw's that, YOUR government is not addressing. As long as, the US has unlimited demand, women, children, drugs, burritos, enchiladas, etc will flow, and YOUR government will spend billions trying to stop it, without making much of an impact. The whole country has to see this as a problem, not just the first 50 miles of the border states where a Texan, Arizonian or Californian lives...

I know many well intentioned, honest law abiding guys and gals would like this to be a problem that could be solved by shooting people, or locking people up, or wacking them in the ass. Its simply frustration setting in, seeing how impotent both parties have turned a blind eye on this issue
 

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Sealing the border the best we can???

Not with this attitude.

YouTube - Liberal Activist Compares US Border Patrol to the KKK


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Typical of extreme leftist/socialist and those who hate the Tea Partiers too. People working to protect these undeserving assclowns who should be placed at the southern Mexican border so they can get a rifle butt in the face like the other folks crossing that border. I think the answer is to place the US Army at the border and machine gun down the bastards who try to cross illegally, including the Mexican army. You'll see in about two days a sudden attitude change at the border. You probably won't see anyone within a ****ing mile of the border for fear of getting killed. I'm getting fed up with the bull**** down there.
 

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wtf.....I'll bite

Nicely done, couldn't have said it better myself. If OP was really concerned about our economy we'd welcome these undocumented workers and the economic contributions they bring with them. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and guess what, it isn't working for immigration either. Open up the borders, let them come in and work legally, that way we can document them and regulate them to get rid of the few bad apples. A better question is why would anyone in their right minds make an argument against letting people into this country who only want to do an honest days work? Threads like this expose the people who oppose free immigration for the xenophobes and racists they often are (and those that aren't racist are just woefully misguided).
 

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Nicely done, couldn't have said it better myself. If OP was really concerned about our economy we'd welcome these undocumented workers and the economic contributions they bring with them. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and guess what, it isn't working for immigration either. Open up the borders, let them come in and work legally, that way we can document them and regulate them to get rid of the few bad apples. A better question is why would anyone in their right minds make an argument against letting people into this country who only want to do an honest days work? Threads like this expose the people who oppose free immigration for the xenophobes and racists they often are (and those that aren't racist are just woefully misguided).
You stepped over the line here. You don't know the definitions of the words you use. Wanting to protect our borders is neither.
 
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All I see is people who don't want to protect our borders, and those who indirectly apologize for the hypocracy of Mexico. The Mexican treat those crossing their southern border like animals, while expecting the US, with the support of most on the left, to ignore it because they somehow have the right to be here.

That bull**** argument about Prohibition not working makes about as much sense as saying laws against murder arent' working. So we should just open the border and let anyone walk in and say they are a citizen. Why don't we get rid of passports and the Constitution while we're at it. It'll all work out, right? :roll:
 

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You stepped over the line here. You don't know the definitions of the words you use. Wanting to protect our borders is neither.

That's why I added the parenthetical about being woefully misguided. If that is truly your purpose, to protect the borders from criminals and people who would do out country harm, then "sealing" the borders is precisely the opposite of accomplishing this goal. The border can never be completely sealed, it is just a factual impossibility. Why cling to this fantasy that a border can be sealed? Criminals will always be able to sneak across the border, the trouble with our policy now is that the criminals who sneak across the border for nefarious purposes are doing it at the same time as millions of people who are doing it for the completely innocent purpose of wanting to work and make a better life in the USA. If we let them do it legally, then it will be much easier to protect ourselves because the honest people can just cross the border in compliance with regulations.
 

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That's why I added the parenthetical about being woefully misguided. If that is truly your purpose, to protect the borders from criminals and people who would do out country harm, then "sealing" the borders is precisely the opposite of accomplishing this goal. The border can never be completely sealed, it is just a factual impossibility. Why cling to this fantasy that a border can be sealed? Criminals will always be able to sneak across the border, the trouble with our policy now is that the criminals who sneak across the border for nefarious purposes are doing it at the same time as millions of people who are doing it for the completely innocent purpose of wanting to work and make a better life in the USA. If we let them do it legally, then it will be much easier to protect ourselves because the honest people can just cross the border in compliance with regulations.

That was your disclaimer, but what you want to do is label people as xenophobes and racists; which is typically expected from the left. That is not the way to handle this. You don't apologize for lawbreakers by slamming those who support the law. Mexico is corrupt to the core, and the US needs to show them who is boss around here.
 

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. If we let them do it legally, then it will be much easier to protect ourselves because the honest people can just cross the border in compliance with regulations.

Lets play your stance. The US now lets anyone come in legally that wants to work. Do you really think that the 1000's that come across illegally will stop and use authorized entry points? No one that I have seen has objected to legal immigration. Just letting anyone cross our borders is crazy. I can agree we need immigration reform. IMO, to leave the borders the way they are now is not in the best interest of the US. Can the border be 100% sealed? Most likely not, but I bet we could cut the flow of illegal crossers down by a great percentage. We have a need for farm workers and manual labor types. The question is how many? The majority of our economy should not be based on low income workers.
 

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People come to this country illegally, because it's the bureaucracy and cost involved are too byzantine and high, respectively. It's simply out of their reach. Make it easier to get in, and more of them will take the legal path which offers far more opportunity than coming illegally
 

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People come to this country illegally, because it's the bureaucracy and cost involved are too byzantine and high, respectively. It's simply out of their reach. Make it easier to get in, and more of them will take the legal path which offers far more opportunity than coming illegally

I agree with making it cheaper and simpler, but that is no excuse whatsoever that they come in illegally. If some need to die at the border to make this point hit home, then it needs to happen. They don't have a right to be here, no matter what the cost is. It's illegal, and we are a sovereign nation, PERIOD.
 

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You stepped over the line here. You don't know the definitions of the words you use. Wanting to protect our borders is neither.

Oh, ****, man... that's the funniest thing I've heard all day... Listen to Captain Dictionary over here trying to correct people.

Funny stuff man...
 

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People come to this country illegally, because it's the bureaucracy and cost involved are too byzantine and high, respectively. It's simply out of their reach. Make it easier to get in, and more of them will take the legal path which offers far more opportunity than coming illegally

and yet some pay coyotes 3-4 thousand to be smuggled in? Legal is to costly?
 

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I don't think that many people are arguing that the U.S. doesn't have the RIGHT to protect its borders, just that it's willfully ignoring the root of the problem. Why are people flocking through the southern border in unprecedented numbers when this wasn't really happening before? What caused the rise of the drug violence in the borderlands? You have to honestly examine the history and politics surrounding these factors, because they simply weren't there originally.

The answer has never been a wall. Walls don't solve problems, they just increase denial of the source. We should end the war on drugs and create positive reforms. We should amend NAFTA to resolve the many inequities it creates.

Until that day comes, you deserve every illegal that is racing for your territory. You made your bed, now lay in it.
 

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Nicely done, couldn't have said it better myself. If OP was really concerned about our economy we'd welcome these undocumented workers and the economic contributions they bring with them. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and guess what, it isn't working for immigration either. Open up the borders, let them come in and work legally, that way we can document them and regulate them to get rid of the few bad apples. A better question is why would anyone in their right minds make an argument against letting people into this country who only want to do an honest days work? Threads like this expose the people who oppose free immigration for the xenophobes and racists they often are (and those that aren't racist are just woefully misguided).

I can tell you why I would be opposed to 'just letting them in.' We have a growing unemployment problem. MOST of them arent contributing to the economy, they are draining FROM the economy. They dont buy houses (which contributes to the economic growth and job market). They funnel billions into Mexico to their families still there. Its a siphon effect that inhibits economic growth from top to bottom.

Im not at all anti-immigration. Far from it. I agree with targeting employers more than illegal immigrants. NONE of that addresses the very real fact that people are being trafficked, drugs are being trafficked, and it is at least in part due to the lack of immigration enforcement.

BTW...I would GLADLY keep and sign up all the hardworking illegal immigrants and trade them for the pathetic crippled and dependent pets that live in this country. Send their asses down to mexico to live in that socialist utopia.
 

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I don't think that many people are arguing that the U.S. doesn't have the RIGHT to protect its borders, just that it's willfully ignoring the root of the problem. Why are people flocking through the southern border in unprecedented numbers when this wasn't really happening before? What caused the rise of the drug violence in the borderlands? You have to honestly examine the history and politics surrounding these factors, because they simply weren't there originally.

The answer has never been a wall. Walls don't solve problems, they just increase denial of the source. We should end the war on drugs and create positive reforms. We should amend NAFTA to resolve the many inequities it creates.

Until that day comes, you deserve every illegal that is racing for your territory. You made your bed, now lay in it.

So if things continue to go bad in the US, your ok for me to just move to Canada (illegally)? Wasn't Canada part of NAFTA? So my friend to the North, prepare. your country will be next.
 

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People come to this country illegally, because it's the bureaucracy and cost involved are too byzantine and high, respectively. It's simply out of their reach. Make it easier to get in, and more of them will take the legal path which offers far more opportunity than coming illegally

I have absolutely no problem with making it easier to legally immigrate to this country. We are a nation of immigrants and hard working immigrants have always been a key component of this nation's work force. However, we can't make meaningful reforms to legal immigration until we at least start to get a handle of illegal immigration. Because our de facto levels of immigration from Mexisco are sky high and it is mostly unskilled laborers, something our economy doesn't need massive amounts of. Plus, I don't trust the federal government to actually follow through on any promises of increased enforcement and reforms aimed at discouraging illegal immigration. We fell for that once before and look what it got us.

I've always said, I'm not opposed to providing a reasonable pathway to citizenship for people already here (provided they meet a few qualifications) and reforming the immigraion process to allow more people to join our nation legally (provided it doesn't run contrary to our economic needs). But first, I need to see real and effective measures taken towards increasing enforcement.
 

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And it often costs more to immigrate. The fees alone cost thousands, and this also doesn't address the fact that many of these people don't come from places with the best record keeping. You need a lot of documentation to cross. Even then, your chances aren't too great.

http://reason.com/assets/db/07cf533ddb1d06350cf1ddb5942ef5ad.jpg

So your willing to accept anyone into the US without knowing who/what they are? What law says immigration should be cheap and easy?
 

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I am generally anti-immigration and because of that reason, I agree that nobody in their right mind will open the US border. It's already overflowing with drugs, guns, and crime anyway
 

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So your willing to accept anyone into the US without knowing who/what they are?

I never called for an open border or not enforcing laws, but an easier way to get in.

What law says immigration should be cheap and easy?

Why do there need to be laws currently supporting it? I'm talking about how we should change the laws, and pointing out that maybe there wouldn't be such an illegal immigration problem if the demographic that has the highest demand for immigration didn't have the most difficult time of making it in legally.
 

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I have absolutely no problem with making it easier to legally immigrate to this country. We are a nation of immigrants and hard working immigrants have always been a key component of this nation's work force. However, we can't make meaningful reforms to legal immigration until we at least start to get a handle of illegal immigration. Because our de facto levels of immigration from Mexisco are sky high and it is mostly unskilled laborers, something our economy doesn't need massive amounts of. Plus, I don't trust the federal government to actually follow through on any promises of increased enforcement and reforms aimed at discouraging illegal immigration. We fell for that once before and look what it got us.

I've always said, I'm not opposed to providing a reasonable pathway to citizenship for people already here (provided they meet a few qualifications) and reforming the immigraion process to allow more people to join our nation legally (provided it doesn't run contrary to our economic needs). But first, I need to see real and effective measures taken towards increasing enforcement.

Of course we should follow the law, and I don't expect meaningful reform in either direction to come for a while. I'm just saying what we should do.

btw: The unskilled workers are coming either way; give them a path to rise up
 

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My stance is this...
We can NOT have a completely open border. There are far too many criminals getting in now; just imagine what it would be like if the borders were open. This is what the federal government is for. Their job is to PROTECT our people (I'll try to remain on subject here) and not to manage social programs (alright I kind of succeeded). Send the National Guard down there and secure the borders. I'm not saying, "shoot everyone who tries to cross," but keep the borders secure. Build the wall--it's not perfect but it's something. Maybe some razor barbs along it to make climbing more dangerous would help.

Now for legal immigration, there can definitely be some improvement made here. I see no problem allowing foreigners from other countries into the U.S. to work so long as:
1) They have no prior history violent crimes or crimes that infringe on another life, liberty, and property.
2) They pay their share of taxes (which is stupidly high due to all the bloat).
3) They have some sort of card or permit that proves they are here working/living legally.
4) They have to renew this permit every 6 months (maybe a year) to make sure if they commit crimes while they are here they are unable to work legally and if found be shipped back.
5) Their children born here do not automatically become citizens unless the immigrant has become a legal citizen.
6) They buy health insurance, car insurance (if they drive), take a driver's test here in the States.
7) Have a job lined up so that they (and their kids) don't end up bumming off the system.

BY ALL means allow workers in, our economy could use it, but be damn careful how it's done.
 
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