What is going on with the kung fu audit in arizona?

[Deuce]

I want legitimate elections. The country has enough credentialed idiots running around. The "listen to me!" crowd is self-serving in the extreme.

So you agree, then, that compromising these machines was a poor choice.

 

[humbolt]

As I've said, if it would make the trump supporters feel better we can call all the vaccines the tump wonder vaccine created by the greatest one term president ever. It's called marketing and personally I don't care what washington wants to call it, I want to know who and how it will help. Like most republicans, I do not have an allergic reaction to our government spending money on we the people, after all it's we the people providing the tax dollars. Providing help with child care opens up more hours for a parent to work which in the end helps to grow the tax revenue. What else do we spend our tax dollars on? The very vast majority goes to the military, the military industrial complex and tax breaks for the multinational corporations. Should I be pissed my government wants to spend some of our tax dollars on us?

I don't look to government to solve every problem. As often as not these days, government solutions to many problems - the War on Poverty, for example, are hugely expensive and create as many or more problems than those they claim to be solving.

 

[humbolt]

So you agree, then, that compromising these machines was a poor choice.

If the machines were already compromised, it makes no difference. Besides, the machines themselves aren't the problem. Vote tabulation could be done with an abacus. It's the people running such things that are the problem.

 

[Deuce]

If the machines were already compromised, it makes no difference. Besides, the machines themselves aren't the problem. Vote tabulation could be done with an abacus. It's the people running such things that are the problem.

If they weren’t compromised, now they are. That’s a difference.

Weird that you’ll do absolutely anything to avoid criticizing a Republican on election security. You’re actively arguing against election security procedures.

 

[humbolt]

If they weren’t compromised, now they are. That’s a difference.

Weird that you’ll do absolutely anything to avoid criticizing a Republican on election security. You’re actively arguing against election security procedures.

Whether the machines themselves have been compromised remains to be seen. If that's established, then there's something to talk about in that regard.

I'm concerned with election integrity. If there isn't anything wrong with rhe AZ election, great. If there is, then it needs to be addressed. That isn't a partisan stance. It's one honest people should support everywhere in the country.

 

[Deuce]

Whether the machines themselves have been compromised remains to be seen.

If that's established, then there's something to talk about in that regard.

No, you don’t understand. They have to be considered compromised now. Chain of custody has been broken.

I'm concerned with election integrity. If there isn't anything wrong with rhe AZ election, great. If there is, then it needs to be addressed. That isn't a partisan stance. It's one honest people should support everywhere in the country.

You’re concerned with election integrity but you are comfortable using a machine that has been handed over unsupervised to a third party run by people with an explicit partisan goal.

If Michael Moore was running an election “audit,” would you seriously want his team to have unsupervised access to voting machines? You’d think this *improves* election security?

 

[humbolt]

No, you don’t understand. They have to be considered compromised now. Chain of custody has been broken.


You’re concerned with election integrity but you are comfortable using a machine that has been handed over unsupervised to a third party run by people with an explicit partisan goal.

If Michael Moore was running an election “audit,” would you seriously want his team to have unsupervised access to voting machines? You’d think this *improves* election security?

Chain of custody, huh. If what this audit has revealed so far proves true, the chain of custody of these machines is small potatoes. If those findings are faulty, then the county can perhaps pursue restitution.

M8chael Moore can do what he likes. If he wants to audit an election, I encourage him to do so.

 

[Deuce]

Chain of custody, huh. If what this audit has revealed so far proves true, the chain of custody of these machines is small potatoes. If those findings are faulty, then the county can perhaps pursue restitution.

The audit has not revealed anything. Link me one shred of actual evidence towards any allegation. Not this he said/she said garbage. You're alleging the biggest crime in American history and are unwilling to link any goddamned evidence. It's absurd.

M8chael Moore can do what he likes. If he wants to audit an election, I encourage him to do so.

You're telling me that you are ok with Democrats handing voting machines over to blatantly-partisan third parties, unsupervised, and then going to cast your own vote on that same machine.

Ok then. Good day.

 

[Quag]

I remain undecided given that the report hasn't been released, and it's claims untested as a result.

As they have no experience with audits of this type, the entire reason to have an audit is inane, their selection was not transparent and their funding unknown there is no reason to ever consider any report by them (if they ever bother making one)to have any merit

 

[humbolt]

The audit has not revealed anything. Link me one shred of actual evidence towards any allegation. Not this he said/she said garbage. You're alleging the biggest crime in American history and are unwilling to link any goddamned evidence. It's absurd.


You're telling me that you are ok with Democrats handing voting machines over to blatantly-partisan third parties, unsupervised, and then going to cast your own vote on that same machine.

Ok then. Good day.

I'll wait for the audit report.

I believe it's entirely possible that highly partisan democrat election workers already manipulated machines in various states. And I'm not tasked with proving squat. That's for others who have some expertise in the various fields associated with modern elections.

 

[humbolt]

As they have no experience with audits of this type, the entire reason to have an audit is inane, their selection was not transparent and their funding unknown there is no reason to ever consider any report by them (if they ever bother making one)to have any merit

I'll judge by the quality of the results. You can look around for certifications if it suits you.

 

[Deuce]

I'll wait for the audit report.

You already claimed the audit has "revealed" something significant. You can't tell me what that is or provide any evidence to support it, though.

I believe it's entirely possible that highly partisan democrat election workers already manipulated machines in various states. And I'm not tasked with proving squat. That's for others who have some expertise in the various fields associated with modern elections.

Cyber Ninjas is not such an organization, nor is their tech experience impressive. They claimed to have evidence of files being deleted, but it turns out they just didn't ****ing know that you can't yank a hard drive out of a RAID-array and expect full data recovery. For the non-tech types, that's... really, really basic stuff. Like an auto mechanic removing a spark plug and wondering why the engine is running rough.

Worse, because they themselves are breakers of chain of custody and are acting unsupervised with the machines, there's no way to tell if they are the ones manipulating the machines or the data. They could straight up replace vote totals on the machines and you have no way to verify this anymore.

 

[Quag]

I'll judge by the quality of the results. You can look around for certifications if it suits you.

How will you judge the quality of their results? If they say what you like you will believe them?
Ill go with judging them based on the absolute lack of any reason to do the audit their lack of expertise in the subject and the hidden money being used to pay them

Its absurd to waste time and money on something just because one man is too much of a sore loser to admit he got is butt kicked

No reasonable person would ever take this audit seriously

 

[mike2810]

I'll judge by the quality of the results. You can look around for certifications if it suits you.

- Logan has put out some preliminary findings.

Which of the preliminary findings to you believe are true. List a couple.

How about Logan's interpretation of the V32 and V33 files (74K ballot issue).
Who is correct. Logan or Maricopa County?

 

[mike2810]

How will you judge the quality of their results? If they say what you like you will believe them?
Ill go with judging them based on the absolute lack of any reason to do the audit their lack of expertise in the subject and the hidden money being used to pay them

Its absurd to waste time and money on something just because one man is too much of a sore loser to admit he got is butt kicked

No reasonable person would ever take this audit seriously

I have challenge the audit supporters to show where the Maricopa County is wrong in their reply to Logan's preliminary findings.
None have taken up the challenge. That says a great deal regarding Cyber Ninjas creditability.

 

[Quag]

I have challenge the audit supporters to show where the Maricopa County is wrong in their reply to Logan's preliminary findings.
None have taken up the challenge. That says a great deal regarding Cyber Ninjas creditability.

what credibility?

 

[mike2810]

what credibility?

Good question.

Senator Fann and her side kick must believe that CN is the greatest. Mike Lindell must have recommended them.

 

[humbolt]

You already claimed the audit has "revealed" something significant. You can't tell me what that is or provide any evidence to support it, though.


Cyber Ninjas is not such an organization, nor is their tech experience impressive. They claimed to have evidence of files being deleted, but it turns out they just didn't ****ing know that you can't yank a hard drive out of a RAID-array and expect full data recovery. For the non-tech types, that's... really, really basic stuff. Like an auto mechanic removing a spark plug and wondering why the engine is running rough.

Worse, because they themselves are breakers of chain of custody and are acting unsupervised with the machines, there's no way to tell if they are the ones manipulating the machines or the data. They could straight up replace vote totals on the machines and you have no way to verify this anymore.

I expect those people are far, far more proficient than you are.

 

[jnug]

I expect those people are far, far more proficient than you are.

Those people are clueless and the company should be named Cyber Ninja. It is a one man company

 

[humbolt]

How will you judge the quality of their results? If they say what you like you will believe them?
Ill go with judging them based on the absolute lack of any reason to do the audit their lack of expertise in the subject and the hidden money being used to pay them

Its absurd to waste time and money on something just because one man is too much of a sore loser to admit he got is butt kicked

No reasonable person would ever take this audit seriously

I'm quite reasonable, and if you were as well, this audit wouldn't frighten you so. Y'all are too busy attempting to discredit it before it's released to give your accusations much weight. I'll wait and see if it's valid after it has been reviewed by those who aren't outright hacks.

 

[humbolt]

Those people are clueless and the company should be named Cyber Ninja. It is a one man company

You're getting repetitious, and saying it more than once doesn't add weight.

 

[US&THEM]

I'll wait for the audit report.

I believe it's entirely possible that highly partisan democrat election workers already manipulated machines in various states. And I'm not tasked with proving squat. That's for others who have some expertise in the various fields associated with modern elections.

Will the report be color coded like those stupid tables with lazy susans? What a joke.

 

[mike2810]

Whether the machines themselves have been compromised remains to be seen. If that's established, then there's something to talk about in that regard.

I'm concerned with election integrity. If there isn't anything wrong with rhe AZ election, great. If there is, then it needs to be addressed. That isn't a partisan stance. It's one honest people should support everywhere in the country.

Here is the question, and it is not partisan one. What really prompted the AZ audit by Cyber Ninjas?
- All counties in Arizona followed election laws.
- All counties used certified equipment
- What findings from previous reviews, reports, audits, checks would cause one to believe another audit should be done?

imo, this latest look into Arizona Maricopa County is a partisan effort. It is Republicans going after fellow Republicans.

Tell me where this information is wrong and provide sources to back it up.

Just the Facts

recorder.maricopa.gov

Using your statement then , why do people have problems with the investigation into Jan 6th. If there was a problem , we should know what happened and why?

 

[humbolt]

- Logan has put out some preliminary findings.

Which of the preliminary findings to you believe are true. List a couple.

How about Logan's interpretation of the V32 and V33 files (74K ballot issue).
Who is correct. Logan or Maricopa County?

I think the 11,326 ballots of unregistered voters is correct. They magically appeared as registered a month after the election. There's only one person in the state that can do that. Katie Hobbs.

3,981 people who voted on Election Day were registered after 10/15, which is a violation of Arizona state law.

18,000 people voted on Election Day but were subsequently removed from the rolls.

The 74k claim can only be verified or dismissed with access to the server logs. I will not believe Maricopa county without complete verification. Similarly, I won't believe Logan without verification. Maybe that's why the AZ Senate wants access to such devices.

 

[mike2810]

I think the 11,326 ballots of unregistered voters is correct. They magically appeared as registered a month after the election. There's only one person in the state that can do that. Katie Hobbs.

3,981 people who voted on Election Day were registered after 10/15, which is a violation of Arizona state law.

18,000 people voted on Election Day but were subsequently removed from the rolls.

The 74k claim can only be verified or dismissed with access to the server logs. I will not believe Maricopa county without complete verification. Similarly, I won't believe Logan without verification. Maybe that's why the AZ Senate wants access to such devices.

You didn't open and read the information in the link I provided, did you?

What is your source of your statements. Provide a link.