What is going on with the kung fu audit in arizona?

[humbolt]

Here is the question, and it is not partisan one. What really prompted the AZ audit by Cyber Ninjas?
- All counties in Arizona followed election laws.
- All counties used certified equipment
- What findings from previous reviews, reports, audits, checks would cause one to believe another audit should be done?

imo, this latest look into Arizona Maricopa County is a partisan effort. It is Republicans going after fellow Republicans.

Tell me where this information is wrong and provide sources to back it up.

Just the Facts

recorder.maricopa.gov

Using your statement then , why do people have problems with the investigation into Jan 6th. If there was a problem , we should know what happened and why?

Well, ya got started off on the wrong foot by claiming AZ followed all election laws. Unless they can prove otherwise, it appears almost 14,000 unregistered people were allowed to vote. I'll leave it at that.

 

[humbolt]

You didn't open and read the information in the link I provided, did you?

What is your source of your statements. Provide a link.

You should already be familiar with Logan's prrliminary report to the Senate. That's my source.

I'm not attributing any veracity to Maricopa county officials until they release all the devices etc. requested by Senate subpoena. I won't attribute much veracity to the audit either until those devices and information are made available for inspection and analysis. But given the county appears to be hiding shit, I'm willing to give Logan more credibility... for now. That could change.

 

[justabubba]

Cyber Ninjas is complaining because that cannot have access to routers that were not used in the election, have not been given permission to go door to door and ask people how they voted, and they never were given password to be able to look at the root software programming.

All of which is not needed to finish a report. They could provide a section in the report stating X, Y, Z may need further investigation. For Cyber Ninjas to say they cannot complete a report without more access is pure bs. It just shows they want to sting things along, promote doubt and possible keep the money coming in.

shake down the cult members

 

[justabubba]

I don't answer for Trump.

Your side of the political aisle claims the election was clean. If you believe that, then cooperation in checking out the veracity of that claim would be reasonable. Obstruction appears to undermine that clean election claim. That's reality.

where were you with this perspective when tRump was obstructing the Mueller investigation?

 

[justabubba]

I'll wait on the AZ report. Court cases will likely ensue, and the vetting of the methods and data will be undertaken. It'll likely be a lengthy affair. What the AZ Senate might do in the interim will be interesting. Personally, I'm more interested in election integrity than anything Trump-related.

you must come up with funnier jokes than that ^

 

[humbolt]

where were you with this perspective when tRump was obstructing the Mueller investigation?

The difference is that Trump wasn't guilty of collusion to start with. In this instance, the voting irregularities were sufficient to cause any reasonable person to question the fidelity of the election. And at least in my case, it has nothing to do with Trump. It has everything to do with fair elections.

And I would remind you that the left cried about fraud in 2000, 2004, and 2016, so they don't get to denigrate those concerned about it now.

 

[justabubba]

The difference is that Trump wasn't guilty of collusion to start with. In this instance, the voting irregularities were sufficient to cause any reasonable person to question the fidelity of the election. And at least in my case, it has nothing to do with Trump. It has everything to do with fair elections.

And I would remind you that the left cried about fraud in 2000, 2004, and 2016, so they don't get to denigrate those concerned about it now.

if he was not guilty why did he refuse to cooperate with and testify before Mueller?

which is my riff off of your post that the state's hands must not be clean relative to the election otherwise it would cooperate with every request of the cyber ninja turtles

 

[mike2810]

Well, ya got started off on the wrong foot by claiming AZ followed all election laws. Unless they can prove otherwise, it appears almost 14,000 unregistered people were allowed to vote. I'll leave it at that.

Where did you get the information?
Provide the specific source or are you to embarrassed to provide it?

Trying to shift the burden back to me, fails. You have yet to provide your sources. I provided one. You have done nothing to show the information is wrong.

 

[mike2810]

You should already be familiar with Logan's prrliminary report to the Senate. That's my source.

I'm not attributing any veracity to Maricopa county officials until they release all the devices etc. requested by Senate subpoena. I won't attribute much veracity to the audit either until those devices and information are made available for inspection and analysis. But given the county appears to be hiding shit, I'm willing to give Logan more credibility... for now. That could change.

You mean the briefing. Sorry it is so full of errors

Then why are you accepting Logan. They have not made there report public other than the dog and pony show given to Fann. A briefing where other than Fann and her stooge was allowed to ask questions.

Tell me, Why does Cyber Ninjas need a router that was never part of the voting equipment system?

Tell me, What proof did Cyber Ninjas provide that the system was not "air gapped".

Tell me, Why Cyber Ninjas call a "switch" a "router"

Maybe we should audit Cyber Ninjas server. They hooked up a wifi router to their servers. They say it was not turned on. What proof do we have that is true.

You have fallen for "prove a negative". Prove your router or modem was not used to hack into the Cyber Ninjas server?

It is clear you have accepted the bs from Logan. I tend to deal with facts and not bs.

 

[mike2810]

First a sub contractor that was counting ballots refused to come back to finish the job.
Now a Bennett has seen the light and jumped from the sinking ship.


"On Monday, Bennett told Conservative Talk Show Host James T. Harris, “I cannot be part of a process that I am left out of critical aspects along the way and make the audit legitimate and have integrity when we produce the final report.”

"This past week, two Republican State Senators, Paul Boyer and Michelle Ugenti-Rita, said the audit was botched. Ugenti-Rita blamed it on the lack of competency of Senate President Karen Fann.

Ken Bennett, senate liaison overseeing election audit, won't resign despite earlier report

Ken Bennett, the state senate liaison in charge of overseeing the audit of the Maricopa County 2020 presidential election results, is resigning.

www.abc15.com

In reversal, Arizona Senate liaison Ken Bennett says he will continue as liaison

Under an agreement, Bennet said he would have access to the building and get information from contractors the Senate has put in charge of the audit.

www.azcentral.com

 

[Deuce]

I expect those people are far, far more proficient than you are.

If they failed to identify something as simple as RAID, then this expectation of yours is doubtful.

 

[Deuce]

Well, ya got started off on the wrong foot by claiming AZ followed all election laws. Unless they can prove otherwise, it appears almost 14,000 unregistered people were allowed to vote. I'll leave it at that.

No, you have to prove that they did vote unlawfully.

There's always these claims about "possible" voter fraud, "possible" dead voters, "possible" unregistered voters. Follow-up investigation almost universally shows it to not be true. People get these wild numbers from weak database matches. Turns out, there's a lot of John Smiths in the country.

 

[justabubba]

First a sub contractor that was counting ballots refused to come back to finish the job.
Now a Bennett has seen the light and jumped from the sinking ship.


"On Monday, Bennett told Conservative Talk Show Host James T. Harris, “I cannot be part of a process that I am left out of critical aspects along the way and make the audit legitimate and have integrity when we produce the final report.”

"This past week, two Republican State Senators, Paul Boyer and Michelle Ugenti-Rita, said the audit was botched. Ugenti-Rita blamed it on the lack of competency of Senate President Karen Fann.

Ken Bennett, senate liaison overseeing election audit, won't resign despite earlier report

Ken Bennett, the state senate liaison in charge of overseeing the audit of the Maricopa County 2020 presidential election results, is resigning.

www.abc15.com

In reversal, Arizona Senate liaison Ken Bennett says he will continue as liaison

Under an agreement, Bennet said he would have access to the building and get information from contractors the Senate has put in charge of the audit.

www.azcentral.com

"man" overboard !!!

isn't the captain normally expected to go down with the ship?

 

[mike2810]

"man" overboard !!!

isn't the captain normally expected to go down with the ship?

The Caption is Fann. Bennett was a talking head.

 

[justabubba]

The Caption is Fann. Bennett was a talking head.

abandoning his position as the auditing ship is sinking

 

[mike2810]

abandoning his position as the auditing ship is sinking

He basically was being shut out by Fann. If it was me I would have told Fann to got take a hike.

 

[justabubba]

He basically was being shut out by Fann. If it was me I would have told Fann to got take a hike.

agreed
abandoning ship gives the worst impression

 

[mike2810]

agreed
abandoning ship gives the worst impression

For the audit. , then we agree.

 

[Brack]

The difference is that Trump wasn't guilty of collusion to start with. In this instance, the voting irregularities were sufficient to cause any reasonable person to question the fidelity of the election. And at least in my case, it has nothing to do with Trump. It has everything to do with fair elections.

And I would remind you that the left cried about fraud in 2000, 2004, and 2016, so they don't get to denigrate those concerned about it now.

The 2000 Presidential election was extremely close and came down to just one state, which was Florida. It is still debatable who really won Florida out of Bush and Gore back in 2000. The 2000 Florida results has Bush having won that state by 537 votes while the 2020 Arizona results has Biden having won this state by much more votes, which is at 10,457 votes.

The 2004 Presidential election had more irregularities than the 2020 Presidential election. But the 2004 irregularities didn't cost Kerry from winning, and Bush did legitimately win the 2004 Presidential election.

The 2016 Presidential election saw Trump winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote by 2.86 million votes. That is part of the reason why some on "the left" we're upset about that election. But Trump did legitimately win the 2016 Presidential election since the popular vote doesn't count.

Arizona has a law against ballot harvesting, and this state has a voter ID law. Link

There were two audits done earlier this year within Maricopa County, AZ that found nothing wrong with the vote counting machines. Link

Arizona had a fair and honest 2020 election.

 

[Grand Mal]

I think the 11,326 ballots of unregistered voters is correct. They magically appeared as registered a month after the election. There's only one person in the state that can do that. Katie Hobbs.

3,981 people who voted on Election Day were registered after 10/15, which is a violation of Arizona state law.

18,000 people voted on Election Day but were subsequently removed from the rolls.

The 74k claim can only be verified or dismissed with access to the server logs. I will not believe Maricopa county without complete verification. Similarly, I won't believe Logan without verification. Maybe that's why the AZ Senate wants access to such devices.

Is there a reason not to link to the source for those numbers? That's how it normally works.

 

[Quag]

I'm quite reasonable, and if you were as well, this audit wouldn't frighten you so. Y'all are too busy attempting to discredit it before it's released to give your accusations much weight. I'll wait and see if it's valid after it has been reviewed by those who aren't outright hacks.

I am not frightened of the audit, I doubt anyone is. There is no reason to give a company who has no experience in this work doing an audit that has no reason to happen any consideration at all.

 

[jnug]

I'll wait for the audit report.

I believe it's entirely possible that highly partisan democrat election workers already manipulated machines in various states. And I'm not tasked with proving squat. That's for others who have some expertise in the various fields associated with modern elections.

Which you will of course believe. Its called confirmation bias. Had anybody who still believes in this process had any sense they would have questioned why Fann hired the Cyber Ninja (singular) for this FAKE AUDIT in the first place. They have already made a big splash announcement about inconsistencies and then had to walk it back when it was pointed out to Cyber Ninja that HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

When you hire a dog catcher to install your electrical wiring, why would you have any expectation of a credible result? For the cement headed, Cyber Ninja is the dog catcher in this metaphorical example.

 

[mike2810]

Well, ya got started off on the wrong foot by claiming AZ followed all election laws. Unless they can prove otherwise, it appears almost 14,000 unregistered people were allowed to vote. I'll leave it at that.

Care to provide a link to what election laws AZ violated?
If you got the 14,000 number from the briefing it is just Logan's opinion. Isn't it interesting that there is no documents available to the public that Cyber Ninjas has provided to back up anything they have said.

So provide a link to another source that proves 14,000 unregistered people voted.

Other than your opinion you have yet to disprove anything Maricopa County has published about the audit.

 

[mike2810]

Is there a reason not to link to the source for those numbers? That's how it normally works.

Many Cyber Ninjas supporters have nothing but opinion to show where Maricopa County is wrong.
The info on the link debunks the bs humbolt is posting.

Just the Facts

recorder.maricopa.gov

 

[humbolt]

if he was not guilty why did he refuse to cooperate with and testify before Mueller?

which is my riff off of your post that the state's hands must not be clean relative to the election otherwise it would cooperate with every request of the cyber ninja turtles

These two events are not comparable. Mueller was aware within the first month of hid imvestigation that Trump was innocent of any collusion. That means the very basis of the appointment of a special counsel was settled. The rest was just a witch hunt, and there were a few minor witches found, but none bearing any significant relationship to the primary justification of the investigation.

None of that remotely applies to Maricopa county. Nobody is possibly facing criminal charges at this juncture. But when you have 120,000 excess ballots with no explanation for their existence, it's pretty reasonable to want to have a look at things a little closer. The county's lack of cooperation tells me they won't willingly participate in events that may cast them in a bad light. I don't blame them, but if there's nothing to see there, why bother putting up road blocks?