Trump vows 'very long' government shutdown over border wall

[Conservative]

Well … there you go again. Here's a bit of truth about the stimulus; again you've been duped by right wing propaganda.

https://www.npr.org/2017/04/05/522629542/fact-check-trumps-claim-2009-stimulus-measure-built-nothing

Oh, by the way the Obama cult wants to claim that it was Obama that brought us out of this so called Great recession but the reality is the recession ended in June 2009 long before much of the Obama stimulus was spent. Then there are those shovel ready jobs that Obama claimed he would create. The employment spreadsheet from BLS disproves that statement and then when Jobs were created here is what they were, another BLS spreadsheet

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Hours at work: 1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled: Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules: At work part time
Years: 2008 to 2018

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 4846 4902 4904 5220 5286 5540 5930 5851 6148 6690 7311 8029
2009 8046 8796 9145 8908 9113 9024 8891 9029 8847 8979 9114 9098
2010 8530 8936 9233 9178 8845 8577 8500 8800 9246 8837 8873 8935
2011 8470 8464 8645 8652 8576 8427 8281 8788 9166 8657 8447 8171
2012 8305 8238 7775 7913 8101 8072 8082 7974 8671 8203 8166 7943
2013 8151 8178 7722 7964 7937 8103 8099 7816 7764 7936 7718 7827
2014 7302 7304 7451 7516 7260 7425 7400 7169 7007 7031 6885 6817
2015 6820 6693 6653 6622 6643 6386 6234 6411 6025 5807 6159 6027
2016 5960 6021 6099 6027 6491 5751 5898 5977 5893 5955 5719 5554
2017 5776 5670 5500 5309 5268 5264 5236 5209 5148 4880 4851 4915
2018 4989 5160 5019 4985 4948 4743 4567 4379 4642 4621 4802

This is the problem you leftists don't understand, the employment numbers INCLUDE these jobs in the total thus meaning that part time for economic reasons, people who wanted full time jobs but couldn't find them, skews the official employment and unemployment numbers favorably for Obama but context matters. We never got back to pre recession levels on employment until 2014. In addition a job lost that returns isn't a NEW job created thus Obama was hired to get us back to 146 million employed which he did in 2014 but by the end of his term 152 million were employed or a 6 million increase from the pre recession levels 9 years earlier. He implemented his stimulus program almost day one in office, WITH a Democratic Congress and NO BUSH BUDGET APPROVED

 

[marke]

I was talking about the very real attempts at compromise. BTW, ALL democrats don't "stubbornly support open borders", in fact few do. That's just the new right wing catch phrase created to justify the great wall of the Donald.

Democrats offer no realistic plan to close the border to illegal immigration.

 

[marke]

The truth is most Democrats, whether it be normal civilians or politicians, do not support open borders as they see the downsides to that. Yet they dont support the irrational way some people including the President and his loyal far-right supporters think we should handle it. Common knowledge to be honest.

What do you think is the best way to stop illegal immigration through our southern border with Mexico? I don't think democrats have a viable plan of any kind.

 

[prometeus]

I cannot name one democrat who still wants the government to do something to stop illegal immigration, although I can name several prominent democrats who once favored closing the US border to illegal immigration.

So you posted something baseless that you pulled out of your arse.

 

[Moonflower]

What do you think is the best way to stop illegal immigration through our southern border with Mexico? I don't think democrats have a viable plan of any kind.

We can have border security without a wall. We can place military post with good and appropriate training on the border that will hold people back from entering without proper documentation and we can provide asylm after background checks which im willing to go into. We can build off so many ways to keep people out without needing to have a wall that wont solve anything as they will just find another way to get in. What we need is to reform our immigration policy and crack down on our policing duties in the country.

 

[Taylor]

Whose name is in the thread title?

I see, now you suddenly want to change the subject.

 

[Taylor]

And to say what Trump said and DID as irrelevant shows no common sense on your behalf.

Good thing that's not what I'm saying. Context. You want to make the claim that Schumer shares no responsibility, and your argument is, "But, Trump!"

 

[Moonflower]

Good thing that's not what I'm saying. Context. You want to make the claim that Schumer shares no responsibility, and your argument is, "But, Trump!"

Schumer shares no responsibility because he made it clear along wit Pelosi in that Oval office meeting that the Senate Dems will NOT support his funding demand. Trump did not listen and pushed for it- and ultimately when he did not get what he wanted, the government shut down. Where is Schumer at fault when he made his opposition clear as day?

 

[Taylor]

Schumer shares no responsibility because he made it clear along wit Pelosi in that Oval office meeting that the Senate Dems will NOT support his funding demand.

...and were willing to shut down the government to get their way.

 

[SLC]

...and were willing to shut down the government to get their way.

And shut it down over .125% of the budget. Clearly this is about politics and not money.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Democrats offer no realistic plan to close the border to illegal immigration.

That's not true they've offered many options, those options even include revamping existing barriers.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Oh, by the way the Obama cult wants to claim that it was Obama that brought us out of this so called Great recession but the reality is the recession ended in June 2009 long before much of the Obama stimulus was spent. Then there are those shovel ready jobs that Obama claimed he would create. The employment spreadsheet from BLS disproves that statement and then when Jobs were created here is what they were, another BLS spreadsheet



This is the problem you leftists don't understand, the employment numbers INCLUDE these jobs in the total thus meaning that part time for economic reasons, people who wanted full time jobs but couldn't find them, skews the official employment and unemployment numbers favorably for Obama but context matters. We never got back to pre recession levels on employment until 2014. In addition a job lost that returns isn't a NEW job created thus Obama was hired to get us back to 146 million employed which he did in 2014 but by the end of his term 152 million were employed or a 6 million increase from the pre recession levels 9 years earlier. He implemented his stimulus program almost day one in office, WITH a Democratic Congress and NO BUSH BUDGET APPROVED

You keep moving the argument, I'm trough chasing around after you. No matter what facts are presented you'll change the subject when you've been proven wrong. It's Christmas eve I don't have time to for your nonsense. bye now!:2wave:

 

[Conservative]

You keep moving the argument, I'm trough chasing around after you. No matter what facts are presented you'll change the subject when you've been proven wrong. It's Christmas eve I don't have time to for your nonsense. bye now!:2wave:

What a shock, another liberal when confronted with official data and facts, runs!! I haven't moved the argument, I won the argument with data. You see data wins debates and court cases not personal or published opinions. The Obama data speaks for itself and makes Jimmy Carter look good but because he was likable that is all that matters to the left. Results never matter as perception and what you want to believe does. You presented no facts, you presented opinions. BLS, BEA, and Treasury present facts. Suggest you learn how to do research.

 

[SLC]

Trump knew he did not have the votes in the Senate and still refused to sign the CR to keep the Govt. open. It's all on him just like he said it would be.

Two thirds of the government and a majority of the Senate want the Wall funded it only takes 9 Democrat Senators to make it happen. This is clearly on the Democrats. The majority is clearly on the side of funding the law.

 

[Moonflower]

...and were willing to shut down the government to get their way.

As was Trump. My issue was that he blames this on the Dems when he said he would take responsibility. Schumer and Pelosi made their stance clear that Congress wouldntb give in all the way and Trump did not listen.

 

[Superfly]

The Muller team

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

It's Mueller, and they are not affected by the shut down.

 

[ttwtt78640]

As was Trump. My issue was that he blames this on the Dems when he said he would take responsibility. Schumer and Pelosi made their stance clear that Congress wouldntb give in all the way and Trump did not listen.

Trump listened to both Schumer and Pelosi but disagreed and was backed up by the republicant controlled House. When Trump vetoes a 'budgeting' (spending) bill then, and only then, it would become the Trump shutdown. Keep in mind that congress should have submitted their 'budgeting' (spending) bills for FY2019 before September 1, 2018. As of now. it is the congressional shutdown (showdown?).

 

[j-mac]

Schumer shares no responsibility because he made it clear along wit Pelosi in that Oval office meeting that the Senate Dems will NOT support his funding demand. Trump did not listen and pushed for it- and ultimately when he did not get what he wanted, the government shut down. Where is Schumer at fault when he made his opposition clear as day?

Yep, and if you were paying any kind of attention to that televised meeting in the Oval, you'd have seen that Trump was exactly right about what would take place if a vote were to be held...Pelosi sat there and was saying, along with Schumer that he didn't have the votes in the house, but hey, guess what? he did! And it is exactly the obstinate opposition from Democrats, and Republican establishment progressives that is holding up American business....

The problem with Democrats is that you talk a good game about working together, but when it comes down to it, whether Democrats are in power, or not, you expect to run the show....Compromise to you isn't about you giving up anything you demand in order to achieve a deal, it is always about what are Republican's willing to give up...It's crap...Democrats NEVER negotiate in good faith, and never will.

 

[Moonflower]

Yep, and if you were paying any kind of attention to that televised meeting in the Oval, you'd have seen that Trump was exactly right about what would take place if a vote were to be held...Pelosi sat there and was saying, along with Schumer that he didn't have the votes in the house, but hey, guess what? he did! And it is exactly the obstinate opposition from Democrats, and Republican establishment progressives that is holding up American business....

The problem with Democrats is that you talk a good game about working together, but when it comes down to it, whether Democrats are in power, or not, you expect to run the show....Compromise to you isn't about you giving up anything you demand in order to achieve a deal, it is always about what are Republican's willing to give up...It's crap...Democrats NEVER negotiate in good faith, and never will.

If they had votes then why hasnt passed? Chuck was right when he said it wouldnt. Whether it be Democrats or not it did not pass and now we are in a shutdown for who knows how long.

 

[Moonflower]

Trump listened to both Schumer and Pelosi but disagreed and was backed up by the republicant controlled House. When Trump vetoes a 'budgeting' (spending) bill then, and only then, it would become the Trump shutdown. Keep in mind that congress should have submitted their 'budgeting' (spending) bills for FY2019 before September 1, 2018. As of now. it is the congressional shutdown (showdown?).

He didnt sign the bill to keep the government open which was the beneficial thing to do if going into a political battle like the one about the wall. So I still see that this falls on him, as he said it would.

And yes it is shutdown if you were confused or whatever.

 

[Birdzeye]

For the filibuster the second go round.

The Senate didn’t filibuster on the funding, and there was no second vote on it.

 

[ttwtt78640]

He didnt sign the bill to keep the government open which was the beneficial thing to do if going into a political battle like the one about the wall. So I still see that this falls on him, as he said it would.

And yes it is shutdown if you were confused or whatever.

Because such a bill, due before September, has not yet made it out of congress to be signed. It is (partially) shutdown because there is no money allocated by congress to keep (those parts of) it funded.

 

[Conservative]

If they had votes then why hasnt passed? Chuck was right when he said it wouldnt. Whether it be Democrats or not it did not pass and now we are in a shutdown for who knows how long.

The bill passed the House but the Senate rules requiring 60 votes didn't happen. McConnell refused the nuclear option requiring a simply majority in the Senate. Finally we have a President who is doing his best to keep his promises and as has been stated, the 24/7 negative Trump bashing continues and the Democrats don't want compromise, they want total and complete destruction

 

[Moonflower]

Because such a bill, due before September, has not yet made it out of congress to be signed. It is (partially) shutdown because there is no money allocated by congress to keep (those parts of) it funded.

Thats not why Trump didnt sign the bill, we all know that, but you make a pretty valid point if that's correct.

 

[Cardinal]

The bill passed the House but the Senate rules requiring 60 votes didn't happen. McConnell refused the nuclear option requiring a simply majority in the Senate. Finally we have a President who is doing his best to keep his promises and as has been stated, the 24/7 negative Trump bashing continues and the Democrats don't want compromise, they want total and complete destruction

He’s keeping his promise? Did he get Mexico to pay for the wall?