Time for the 25th Ammendment

[EnigmaO01]

When it does that, though, it makes the process a farce. There's an extremely thin line between the sublime and the ridiculous.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. He needs to be removed yesterday! He's delusional and desperate. He has too much power in his hands.

 

[Kiwimac]

Palestinians shouting death to Jews on the Temple mount as Jews come to visit the historical place (which predated Islam) of their most sacred site. The place where the Jewish temple once stood.

So, no, no bullsh*t.

Shall we start with the Irgun and Stein gang terror attacks, the bombing of the Hotel David, the massacres at Sabra & Shatila, the continuing attacks on Palestinian farmers and others? Moreover modern Jews have no more enduring claim on Israeli lands than I do on English ancestral lands.

 

[year2late]

Desperate times call for desperate measures. He needs to be removed yesterday! He's delusional and desperate. He has too much power in his hands.

In California terms, he needs a "5150"

Involuntary psychiatric hold - threat to self and/or others

 

[Ringo Stalin]

TV clowns like Trump spend their entire lives catalyzing and monetizing the emotional energy of their followers. But when that energy becomes a historical force, they don't know what to do with it. They're afraid of it... Any shade of modern capitalist is just a capitalist, manifestation of regression. There is no future for capitalism, no matter what puppet is brought to the forefront by the real forces behind the scene

 

[Helix]

i figured that he'd skate on everything in the name of "national healing," or something along those lines. now i'm not so sure. it's sort of unreal to think that instigating a failed insurrection can be written off as, "that's just Tweety being Tweety."

 

[Gaius46]

Unfoetunately therw isnt enough time to impeach and remove him and the 25th amendment is a complex process that Likely wouldn’t be done in 14 days even id youbcould ger enough od Congress to go for it.

And, as John Bolton pointed out this evening it could actually make things worse.

I have to correct what I said here. I was writing under the assumption that once Trump objected to a 25th amendment move by Pence and Company that Trump would resume as President.

From what I read this morning that isn’t the case. Pence would remain President until after the the Congress boted on the matter - if it got that far. Since Congress has 21 days to vote in it Pelosi and McConnell could just not take it up and Pence finishes Trump’s term.

So the 25A is a viable option but I’m still not 100% convinced it’d be a good idea.

 

[Jean-s]

They do that to themselves by continuing to make war against Israel, and rejecting the rights of Jews to exist in their own traditional homeland.

This is not the forum to debate how the Israeli Army, Navy, and Air Force are destroying an occupied civilian population of mostly children and their parents. You have no sense of shame.

 

[Visbek]

Trump needs to be impeached. Not removed via the 25th Amendment.

If Pence tries to invoke the 25th Amendment, Trump can just object, and it goes to Congress. As long as Congress is involved, from a practical perspective, you might as well impeach him.

Removal via impeachment also prevents Trump from holding office again.

 

[gboisjo]

Anti Semetic much.... sheesh!

No, I'm not Jewish, but believe the Jewish people are a great people and culture.

I don't think Israel needs to be greater than America. But one thing is for certain, and it is that Israel is the greatest nation in the Middle East BY FAR. And that is due to the remarkable and resilient Jewish culture and Jewish people.

All of this talk about Jews and Israel is off topic .. it breaks forum and the moderators rules. The topic is "Time for the 25th Amendment".

 

[EnigmaO01]

On paper. In the real world I wouldn’t hold my breath. And again even with what happened today you probably don’t enough Republican votes.

Even the ones that were crying and praying? I suspect some peed their pants and panties too.

 

[EnigmaO01]

I'll tell you straight... I despise Trump and everything he stands for as much as anyone. But if you forced me to vote on a spur of the moment impeachment, I'd abstain.

Justice rushed is justice crushed.

What more evidence do you need?

 

[gboisjo]

Trump needs to be impeached. Not removed via the 25th Amendment.

If Pence tries to invoke the 25th Amendment, Trump can just object, and it goes to Congress. As long as Congress is involved, from a practical perspective, you might as well impeach him.

Removal via impeachment also prevents Trump from holding office again.

No doubt Trump is unhinged and not fit to be President, he is not an honorable man, he's dangerous.

Less severe than expulsion, a censure (sometimes referred to as condemnation or denouncement) does not remove a leader from office. It is a formal statement of disapproval, however, that can have a powerful psychological effect on a member and his/her relationships in the political body. This would be an easier avenue than envoking the 25th amendment or impeachment.

 

[EnigmaO01]

There's nothing like a surprise attack to unite the country.

Or a false flag attack which is more likely under this liar.

 

[Napoleon]

I have to correct what I said here. I was writing under the assumption that once Trump objected to a 25th amendment move by Pence and Company that Trump would resume as President.

From what I read this morning that isn’t the case. Pence would remain President until after the the Congress boted on the matter - if it got that far. Since Congress has 21 days to vote in it Pelosi and McConnell could just not take it up and Pence finishes Trump’s term.

So the 25A is a viable option but I’m still not 100% convinced it’d be a good idea.

There are some good questions about whether this is even a possibility right now. Most of what would ordinarily be considered the Cabinet are people serving in an acting capacity. It’s not clear if acting secretaries have 25th Amendment authority as a Cabinet under the Constitution.

 

[bomberfox]

But how do you apply the 25th Amendment to an entire political party?

If there was any doubt, there shouldn't be now. The Number One terrorist threat to America are the brainwashed zealots that listen to the Republican Party and their media empire.

Bankrupt rupert murdoch completely too.

 

[EnigmaO01]

No doubt Trump is unhinged and not fit to be President, he is not an honorable man, he's dangerous.

Less severe than expulsion, a censure (sometimes referred to as condemnation or denouncement) does not remove a leader from office. It is a formal statement of disapproval, however, that can have a powerful psychological effect on a member and his/her relationships in the political body. This would be an easier avenue than envoking the 25th amendment or impeachment.

And is just slap on the hand. He deserves much more. Anyone else would be thrown in prison.

 

[gboisjo]

TV clowns like Trump spend their entire lives catalyzing and monetizing the emotional energy of their followers. But when that energy becomes a historical force, they don't know what to do with it. They're afraid of it... Any shade of modern capitalist is just a capitalist, manifestation of regression. There is no future for capitalism, no matter what puppet is brought to the forefront by the real forces behind the scene

Move to China or Russia or North Korea. The real force in human nature that you don't seem to understand is the competitive nature of humans ..even communist China
has given in to that fact. Communism in China or Russia today is all about power not Marx ..wake up.

 

[gboisjo]

gboisjo said:

No doubt Trump is unhinged and not fit to be President, he is not an honorable man, he's dangerous.

Less severe than expulsion, a censure (sometimes referred to as condemnation or denouncement) does not remove a leader from office. It is a formal statement of disapproval, however, that can have a powerful psychological effect on a member and his/her relationships in the political body. This would be an easier avenue than envoking the 25th amendment or impeachment.

And is just slap on the hand. He deserves much more. Anyone else would be thrown in prison.

I can't argue with that.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

But how do you apply the 25th Amendment to an entire political party?

If there was any doubt, there shouldn't be now. The Number One terrorist threat to America are the brainwashed zealots that listen to the Republican Party and their media empire.

I like rhetoric like this because it’s just idle talk that not even you believe. You know full well that a political party that Recieves a floor of 45% political support is not in any rational calculation a terrorist threat

 

[Ringo Stalin]

today is all about power not Marx ..wake up.

I bet Louis XVIII in 1815 said something like that about these nasty revolutionary bourgeois Jacobins...

 

[gboisjo]

I bet Louis XVIII in 1815 said something like that about these nasty revolutionary bourgeois Jacobins...

Off topic but I'll reply once, we're all materialist at heart, to deny is to refute human nature. What do you own ..what objects are
important to you. The relativity of communism is joke especially here in the US. Move to Cuba or Viet Nam.

 

[Gaius46]

Trump needs to be impeached. Not removed via the 25th Amendment.

If Pence tries to invoke the 25th Amendment, Trump can just object, and it goes to Congress. As long as Congress is involved, from a practical perspective, you might as well impeach him.

Removal via impeachment also prevents Trump from holding office again.

Except, as I learned this morning Pence remains President until Congress decides the issue and Congreve has three weeks to do that. Pelosi or McConnell can just say “screw it. I’ll deal with it in 19 days” and Trump is done.

 

[Gaius46]

Even the ones that were crying and praying? I suspect some peed their pants and panties too.

That asshole Hawley still insisted on objecting to the PA certification.

 

[Gaius46]

There are some good questions about whether this is even a possibility right now. Most of what would ordinarily be considered the Cabinet are people serving in an acting capacity. It’s not clear if acting secretaries have 25th Amendment authority as a Cabinet under the Constitution.

Agreed. Someone raised that as an issue in what I read this morning. One way around that is to make sure the majority consists of confirmed cabinet people.

Thinking about it though acting heads have to have the power or else you run into a situation where a President can 25A-proof himself by only appointing acting heads.

 

[bearpoker]

Unfoetunately therw isnt enough time to impeach and remove him and the 25th amendment is a complex process that Likely wouldn’t be done in 14 days even id youbcould ger enough od Congress to go for it.

And, as John Bolton pointed out this evening it could actually make things worse.

There is time if congress is sufficiently motivated.