Time for the 25th Ammendment

[Gaius46]

Bolton the guy that refused to testify in the impeachment hearings so he could hold out for money for his book? That guy? Perhaps if he had testified we wouldn't have had today's events.

Yes that guy and not likely.

He has a point if you stop and think about it for a couple of minutes.

 

[Gaius46]

A progressive political pundit said he can be impeached and removed in a vote in one minute's time.

On paper. In the real world I wouldn’t hold my breath. And again even with what happened today you probably don’t enough Republican votes.

 

[Antiwar]

We're where we are now because Trump vastly overplayed his hand. To me, that's about the biggest mistake you can make in politics.... the last thing Democrats ought to do at this point is respond in kind by making the same mistake. Events are in motion now, and the outcome is clear. We ought to let them play out.

How can Trump be trusted? He can't. Surely the informal votes were ready, today.

 

[Cordelier]

How can Trump be trusted? He can't. Surely the informal votes were ready, today.

I'll tell you straight... I despise Trump and everything he stands for as much as anyone. But if you forced me to vote on a spur of the moment impeachment, I'd abstain.

Justice rushed is justice crushed.

 

[uptower]

I can't think of a more powerful, unifying way to bring the nation together than acknowledging that Mike Pence is a better ambassador for the GOP than Donald Trump, recognizing that he would make a stronger President who advances GOP interests without also formenting culture wars, and formally instituting him as the 46th President of the United States (even if his term is only a couple of weeks.)

Agreed. It's time. And the GOP should have the courage to do it for their own future's sake.

 

[Court Jester]

There would be no reason to use the 25th Amendment. Trump has no power left, not politically, or even as a possible commander in chief; our professional miltary would do the right thing if ever needed to under these circumstances I can assure you. I wouldn't worry anyone would be handing Donald Trump any nuclear codes after today.

 

[jpn]

Does anyone expect Trump's corrupt, lick-spittle cabinet to lift a finger? Really?

Sure, Wilbur Ross is going to ride to the rescue.

 

[Cordelier]

There would be no reason to use the 25th Amendment. Trump has no power left, not politically, or even as a possible commander in chief; our professional miltary would do the right thing if ever needed to under these circumstances I can assure you. I wouldn't worry anyone would be handing Donald Trump any nuclear codes after today.

Doing the right thing isn't the problem. The problem is knowing the right thing.

We're in a very perilous situation right now that we can't afford to be in. If you withhold the nuclear codes, then you make the nation vulnerable to surprise attack.

 

[Court Jester]

Doing the right thing isn't the problem. The problem is knowing the right thing.

We're in a very perilous situation right now that we can't afford to be in. If you withhold the nuclear codes, then you make the nation vulnerable to surprise attack.

I am confident that during the next two weeks if we were under attack, the joint chiefs would likely seek the advice and direction of Mike Pence, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi. That isn't how is supposed to work, but we have never really been in this situation before, and I am pretty sure this is something the military thinks about ahead of time. A "what if" during the transition of power period and something goes wrong.

Today was not a good day. Worse than any day during the Watergate nightmare--- if you are old enough to remember that.

 

[Cordelier]

I am confident that during the next two weeks if we were under attack, the joint chiefs would likely seek the advice and direction of Mike Pence, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi. That isn't how is supposed to work, but we have never really been in this situation before, and I am pretty sure this is something the military thinks about ahead of time. A "what if" during the transition of power period and something goes wrong.

Today was not a good day. Worse than any day during the Watergate nightmare--- if you are old enough to remember that.

Well, Nixon resigned on my fourth birthday, so my first-hand recollections of Watergate are necessarily cloudy.... but I do know that we can't responsibly rely on ad hoc "arrangements". That fact alone should spur the Vice President to invoke the 25th Amendment. I'll say it straight - the President of the United States does not possess a solid grasp of reality and accordingly presents a clear and present danger to the nation. We need clarity here.

 

[skeptic llc]

But how do you apply the 25th Amendment to an entire political party?

If there was any doubt, there shouldn't be now. The Number One terrorist threat to America are the brainwashed zealots that listen to the Republican Party and their media empire.

I struggle with this question. Thank you for posing it.

 

[skeptic llc]

I don't think so. Trump is already done. It'll be public, tomorrow. They can't let this slide.

I sure hope so. That man should not have his finger on the button.

 

[paul342160]

Who is the most serious terrorist in the World? CZAR DONALD VLADIMIR TRUMP (PUTIN's PUPPET)

 

[Jean-s]

Screw that... impeach him TONIGHT.. Record EVERY vote and remember who votes against it...

Donald Trump has the power of a dictator for several days yet especially in foreign affairs. Who knows what he will start and leave it in the lap of Joe Biden.

 

[Moot]

Doing the right thing isn't the problem. The problem is knowing the right thing.

We're in a very perilous situation right now that we can't afford to be in. If you withhold the nuclear codes, then you make the nation vulnerable to surprise attack.

There's nothing like a surprise attack to unite the country.

 

[skeptic llc]

I am confident that during the next two weeks if we were under attack, the joint chiefs would likely seek the advice and direction of Mike Pence, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi. That isn't how is supposed to work, but we have never really been in this situation before, and I am pretty sure this is something the military thinks about ahead of time. A "what if" during the transition of power period and something goes wrong.

Today was not a good day. Worse than any day during the Watergate nightmare--- if you are old enough to remember that.

Maybe time to change your little icon thing from one that celebrates Trump and suggests violence? Or maybe that was a stupid, inflammatory thing to begin with that threatens physical harm against those who disagree with your politics?

 

[skeptic llc]

I am confident that during the next two weeks if we were under attack, the joint chiefs would likely seek the advice and direction of Mike Pence, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi. That isn't how is supposed to work, but we have never really been in this situation before, and I am pretty sure this is something the military thinks about ahead of time. A "what if" during the transition of power period and something goes wrong.

Today was not a good day. Worse than any day during the Watergate nightmare--- if you are old enough to remember that.

Sorry for the multi-reply, can't be helped. What did you think putting MAGA on a fist meant? It's a threat of violence, duh. Did you think your side was the only one with fists or guns, and that a bunch of overweight bearded white men in camo could intimidate the world's greatest democracy? WTF? You invited and stoked this violent mindset and changed civil discourse among Americans into violent discourse, so here we are. If you are such a big MAGA fist man, go to DC with your MAGA fists and guns and do your worst, see where that gets you.

 

[Court Jester]

Maybe time to change your little icon thing from one that celebrates Trump and suggests violence? Or maybe that was a stupid, inflammatory thing to begin with that threatens physical harm against those who disagree with your politics?

Do all lives matter? Of course they do. Nothing wrong in saying that.

The "maga" fist. That is a symbol that predated Donald Trump. Krav Maga is a martial art used by Israeli defense forces. Krav: combat Maga: to conduct.....so to conduct combat.
But there is nothing wrong with "MAGA" Make America Great Again, and there will never be anything wrong with that saying. Donald Trump didn't create that sentiment. many Americans long for the values and the society which America used to be, especially as part of the greatest generation during WW2.

 

[skeptic llc]

Do all lives matter? Of course they do. Nothing wrong in saying that.

The "maga" fist. That is a symbol that predated Donald Trump. Krav Maga is a martial art used by Israeli defense forces. Krav: combat Maga: to conduct.....so to conduct combat.
But there is nothing wrong with "MAGA" Make America Great Again, and there will never be anything wrong with that saying. Donald Trump didn't create that sentiment. many Americans long for the values and the society which America used to be, especially as part of the greatest generation during WW2.

Yes, I have spent many years training in Krav. Quit pretending. MAGA is Trump's slogan, a fist suggests violence.

 

[skeptic llc]

Do all lives matter? Of course they do. Nothing wrong in saying that.

The "maga" fist. That is a symbol that predated Donald Trump. Krav Maga is a martial art used by Israeli defense forces. Krav: combat Maga: to conduct.....so to conduct combat.
But there is nothing wrong with "MAGA" Make America Great Again, and there will never be anything wrong with that saying. Donald Trump didn't create that sentiment. many Americans long for the values and the society which America used to be, especially as part of the greatest generation during WW2.

As an aside, I too like some of the values of back when. Honoring veterans. Respecting what they sacrificed. Don't put Trump the draft-dodging bone spurs McCain basher in that category. And regardless, cut out the proud boy violent MAGA symbol crap, and don't try to excuse it with references to krav.

 

[skeptic llc]

Got something? I don't have all night to wait for you to try to defend using violent imagery to try to intimidate democracy.

 

[Court Jester]

Sorry for the multi-reply, can't be helped. What did you think putting MAGA on a fist meant? It's a threat of violence, duh.

A threat of violence, or a promise to defend? Depends I suppose on how you look at it. But what does the BLM black fist stand for? Solidarity, violence, or defense? I guess that too depend on how you look at it.

Did you think your side was the only one with fists or guns, and that a bunch of overweight bearded white men in camo could intimidate the world's greatest democracy? WTF?

What do they have to do with me? I never threatened anyone. And BTW, most of the people in DC today didn't either, but that being said, none should have been storming the capitol, encouraging anyone to do so. I've been pretty clear on that.

You invited and stoked this violent mindset and changed civil discourse among Americans into violent discourse, so here we are.

Prove that I did that. You can't. Never happened.

If you are such a big MAGA fist man, go to DC with your MAGA fists and guns and do your worst, see where that gets you.

I do wish America was great again. But same as the BLM thug rioting, attacking the capital is not the way to do that. And the funny thing is that I didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2016, or in 2020, so what exactly are you accusing me of doing wrong? Duh!

 

[Court Jester]

As an aside, I too like some of the values of back when. Honoring veterans. Respecting what they sacrificed. Don't put Trump the draft-dodging bone spurs McCain basher in that category. And regardless, cut out the proud boy violent MAGA symbol crap, and don't try to excuse it with references to krav.

My icon has nothing to do with proud boys, I already answered that. So cool your jets, take a deep breath, and stop allowing your vivid imagination to get the best of you.

My icon has nothing to do with any of the things you think it means. Sorry you are so easily triggered by it.

 

[skeptic llc]

A threat of violence, or a promise to defend? Depends I suppose on how you look at it. But what does the BLM black fist stand for? Solidarity, violence, or defense? I guess that too depend on how you look at it.



What do they have to do with me? I never threatened anyone. And BTW, most of the people in DC today didn't either, but that being said, none should have been storming the capitol, encouraging anyone to do so. I've been pretty clear on that.



Prove that I did that. You can't. Never happened.




I do wish America was great again. But same as the BLM thug rioting, attacking the capital is not the way to do that. And the funny thing is that I didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2016, or in 2020, so what exactly are you accusing me of doing wrong? Duh!

(1) TY for responding.

(2) It's understood as a threat of violence. MAGA is all about armed rallies, bringing in foot soldiers in homemade armor, etc. This is not an academic question in a vacuum; here and now, MAGA fist is a violent symbol. Answering your specific question, it's a threat of violence. Or, if you prefer, a "promise to defend" against that which MAGA opposes -- anyone who is not white, straight, US-born, etc. I.e., a threat of violence.

(3) Black fist (68 or so olympics) -- same problem, it is a threat of violence, no one should pretend otherwise. A less credible threat to be sure (see: population numbers, history), but a threat for sure.

(4) MAGA fist -- QUIT WITH THE ****ING VIOLENCE in your communications and just talk as if we were a sane, civilized country

 

[skeptic llc]

My icon has nothing to do with proud boys, I already answered that. So cool your jets, take a deep breath, and stop allowing your vivid imagination to get the best of you.

My icon has nothing to do with any of the things you think it means. Sorry you are so easily triggered by it.

Gee, see how that's different (hint: additional words; Krav; ISRAELI MARTIAL ARTS; no Trump slogan on the fist)?