This is why we Profile

[SheWolf]

Its funny how you don't understand statistics and math. There are more poor white people, but since there are more non poor whites than black people, when you keep comparing statistics within the racial group only it skews the numbers. its not a true comparison. You're simple using a algorithm and method of dicing that will always make black people look worse.

its not low income that is the factor why blacks have a higher crime rate then whites there are more poor whites (4.2 million) then there are poor blacks (3.6 million) so if income is a major contributing factor then the white to black comparison would be alot closer


i contribute their high crime rate to their culture not their income their culture is something they can change we cant help with that it is something they need to do

 

[SheWolf]

A lot of white, rural people are meth head, drug addicted hillbillies. I guess that's white culture for you.

Because of the distinction between rural and urban crime. That's why I said low income neighborhoods and talked about the urban rural divide in my first post on this thread. There are a lot of poor rural Americans, and most of them are white. I would bet that rural crime rates are a lot less than urban crime rates. I would suspect that low income, urban blacks outnumber low income urban whites.

 

[CanadaJohn]

This in Canada you say? Have sources?

You want sources for young people attacking and/or killing people, particularly their peers? Try Google

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Baby shot dead in stroller; 2 Georgia teens charged - CNN.com

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every day are over America we have stories just like this and using crime statistics Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. So why shouldn't they be profiled why shouldn't we be suspicious of Black males it is a survival instinct Maybe if that mother profiled and crossed the street once she saw those black youths her baby will be alive today

so someone give me an argument we shouldn't we profile why shouldn't we be suspicious of black male youths and dont hand me any PC crap I rather offend someone and be alive

That makes my stomach turn - so heinous.

But I'm also lost. Why didn't she just give him her purse instead of arguing with him? I don't follow her logic: someone threatens your life - you have no way of defending yourself - they're armed and demanding your money - then threaten to kill your child - GIVE THEM YOUR PURSE.

Let them SEE that you don't have any money after they go through your entire purse instead of ARGUING WITH AN ARMED ROBBER.

 

[opendebate]

Why are you making assumptions???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Where in the **** have I mentioned anything about shooting someone???

Please, justify your baseless assumption with something...... or apologize for assuming the worst in someone just because you don't like what they are saying.

I never accused you of anything, show me an accusation. You don't even know when you read into things. You appear a little blind to yourself.

 

[specklebang]

I'll go back and find exactly where I got this from. This might be it http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vfluc.pdf but it was definitely from the USG DOJ. If you respons, I'll see that and this afternoon I'll give you the definite original link.

OK, just found it: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vfluc.txt

Where did you get these? Sources please?

 

[Sisyphus]

This is why we Profile

 

[DDD]

I'll go back and find exactly where I got this from. This might be it http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vfluc.pdf but it was definitely from the USG DOJ. If you respons, I'll see that and this afternoon I'll give you the definite original link.

OK, just found it: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vfluc.txt

These data came from 40 counties (out of planned 75) that were considered to be most high in crime in USA. These counties are responsible for 50% the crime rate in USA. Which means that the data here represent half of the story. Plus the confidence interval is near 50%. So then:

Which are the counties selected on highest reported crime rate?

Why other counties representing the other half of the population excluded? More importantly, what is the race percentage of crimes in this other half of reported crime rate counties?

If the sample choose to gather data around selected counties of high crime rate (i.e., ghetos) well then I am not surprised. For a more sound conclusion about data that occurred a decade ago (i.e., 2002) I would suggest taking all counties into account and then link that to race. Odds are they would be more balanced.

 

[jimbo]

There is so much more to it than that as I explained.

Makes no difference how much more there is to it. Fact is that if I stay away from 13% of the population I stay away from 50% of the crime. I can further increase my percentages by doing a little profiling.

I think you are confusing cause with result. We as a society need to concentrate on cause, not attempt to explain away result.

 

[OscarB63]

We hold a race in bondage hundreds of years then as second class until about 50.

Why is that race behind the others?

Racists love to forget our history.

let's not forget that that same race had been holding themselves in bondage for hundreds of years prior to that.

 

[DDD]

You want sources for young people attacking and/or killing people, particularly their peers? Try Google

What is this "Google" you speak of? It sounds as if they are a search engine whom I never knew I had as an option to conduct searching.

Buddy, I showed genuine interest to know about how it is in Canada. It did not seem as a calmer Canada like the ones I know in Ontario speak of.

If you want your statements to be considered more seriously, then you (not me) should provide sources. Otherwise do not expect me to believe you on face value, just cause you said so.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

Baby shot dead in stroller; 2 Georgia teens charged - CNN.com

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every day are over America we have stories just like this and using crime statistics Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. So why shouldn't they be profiled why shouldn't we be suspicious of Black males it is a survival instinct Maybe if that mother profiled and crossed the street once she saw those black youths her baby will be alive today

so someone give me an argument we shouldn't we profile why shouldn't we be suspicious of black male youths and dont hand me any PC crap I rather offend someone and be alive

Why can't you profile off of stories like this?



A 5-year-old Pennsylvania girl who was abducted Thursday in Lancaster Township was rescued and returned safely to her mother thanks a pair of teens who located the kidnapper and chased him down on their bikes.

http://gawker.com/hero-teens-find-rescue-missing-girl-after-chasing-down-785774728

 

[CanadaJohn]

What is this "Google" you speak of? It sounds as if they are a search engine whom I never knew I had as an option to conduct searching.

Buddy, I showed genuine interest to know about how it is in Canada. It did not seem as a calmer Canada like the ones I know in Ontario speak of.

If you want your statements to be considered more seriously, then you (not me) should provide sources. Otherwise do not expect me to believe you on face value, just cause you said so.

You would have a fair point if my goal was to try to convince you - however, that's not even close to my goal. I simply stated my experience and view as it relates to the OP and how I conduct myself based on that experience and view. If you don't believe me, matters not to me. I'm not so narcissistic that I need others to hold my views in order for them to be true and I certainly don't need you or anyone else to validate my feelings and experiences.

 

[DDD]

You would have a fair point if my goal was to try to convince you - however, that's not even close to my goal. I simply stated my experience and view as it relates to the OP and how I conduct myself based on that experience and view. If you don't believe me, matters not to me. I'm not so narcissistic that I need others to hold my views in order for them to be true and I certainly don't need you or anyone else to validate my feelings and experiences.

Ok, thanks for clarifying your position.

Based on that though I disagree that there is such violence that you mention in Canada (just so you know). Canada is not like you state but it is how I state it instead, and that is that it is more calmer and such things do not happen there, I disagree.

With my indirect experience I think what your statements do not hold. Canada is far more calmer and peaceful than that. Now I do not need you to validate or not my indirect experiences neither.

 

[OscarB63]

Why can't you profile off of stories like this?

because, sadly, stories like that are much fewer and farther between :shrug:

 

[CanadaJohn]

Ok, thanks for clarifying your position.

Based on that though I disagree that there is such violence that you mention in Canada (just so you know). Canada is not like you state but it is how I state it instead, and that is that it is more calmer and such things do not happen there, I disagree.

With my indirect experience I think what your statements do not hold. Canada is far more calmer and peaceful than that. Now I do not need you to validate or not my indirect experiences neither.

Fair enough - I don't consider it my task on this site to disabuse you of your erroneous opinions.

 

[DDD]

Fair enough - I don't consider it my task on this site to disabuse you of your erroneous opinions.

Though my experience is indirect compared to yours, it is not my task to disabuse you of your erroneous opinions about how you claim it to be in Canada. No clue why would you even make that up about Canada.

 

[trfjr]

Why can't you profile off of stories like this?

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A 5-year-old Pennsylvania girl who was abducted Thursday in Lancaster Township was rescued and returned safely to her mother thanks a pair of teens who located the kidnapper and chased him down on their bikes.

http://gawker.com/hero-teens-find-rescue-missing-girl-after-chasing-down-785774728

good for them we need more stories just like this but they are few and far in between to not justify profiling. maybe if more black youths start doing the right thing instead of the wrong thing they can stem the profiling

 

[trfjr]

let's not forget that that same race had been holding themselves in bondage for hundreds of years prior to that.

so they deserve a pass for being oppressed? your asking to just say it is ok for you to commit 50% of the murders because we did you wrong in the past? who many whites need to be sacrificed on the alter of Political correctness to pay for the past oppression? so tell me whats the number? how many need to be killed to relieve your white guilt?

 

[OscarB63]

so they deserve a pass for being oppressed? your asking to just say it is ok for you to commit 50% of the murders because we did you wrong in the past? who many whites need to be sacrificed on the alter of Political correctness to pay for the past oppression? so tell me whats the number? how many need to be killed to relieve your white guilt?

I'm saying that blaming it on "whitey" is bull**** because they had been doing the same thing to themselves for centuries before whitey ever showed up. it's just another attempt to excuse bad behavior by blaming someone other than themselves.

there is a reason 13% of the population is responsible for nearly 50% of the crime in this country and it isn't because of racism.

 

[Caine]

Fine, stay away but you can't shoot them just because YOU don't like the way they look.

Why are you making assumptions???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Where in the **** have I mentioned anything about shooting someone???

Please, justify your baseless assumption with something...... or apologize for assuming the worst in someone just because you don't like what they are saying.

I never accused you of anything, show me an accusation. You don't even know when you read into things. You appear a little blind to yourself.

Care to apologize now??????

 

[ThePlayDrive]

good for them we need more stories just like this but they are few and far in between to not justify profiling. maybe if more black youths start doing the right thing instead of the wrong thing they can stem the profiling

Oh and how do you know the ratio of "good things 'black youths' do" to "bad things 'black youths'" do. You don't. The fact is that you cited a single story of violence as evidence for why people profile black people negatively when you could have cited a dozen other stories to show why we should profile them positively. You're just a prejudiced guy who finds information that confirms rather than challenges his prejudice, nothing more.

 

[OscarB63]

Oh and how do you know the ratio of "good things 'black youths' do" to "bad things 'black youths'" do. You don't. The fact is that you cited a single story of violence as evidence for why people profile black people negatively when you could have cited a dozen other stories to show why we should profile them positively. You're just a prejudiced guy who finds information that confirms rather than challenges his prejudice, nothing more.

55% of violent felons under the age of 18 are black. 18.4% of all people under 18 are black. that is not prejudice, that is fact.

 

[specklebang]

Any information I get from government sources is highly suspect. So:
U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Special Report
State Court Processing Statistics, 1990-2002
Violent Felons in Large Urban Counties

may be wildly inaccurate but I have no way to validate any source. Nor was I trying to prove a point. All I'm contributing are government statistics.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that blacks (I cringe using that word since it used to be an insult but thats the current word) overall are the least successful group in our society. A disproportionate number of them are life failures. This is meaningless though since my President and my best friend are also members of that race and hardly describable as unsuccessful. Every individual is just that - an individual. If someone is raised properly in a positive environment, they will succeed. If they are raised in a negative environment, they may fail even if they are inherently decent.

As a hoodie owner, I prefer to assume that a hoodie is not indicative of poor behavior. It is more commonly an indicator of weather conditions.

These data came from 40 counties (out of planned 75) that were considered to be most high in crime in USA. These counties are responsible for 50% the crime rate in USA. Which means that the data here represent half of the story. Plus the confidence interval is near 50%. So then:

Which are the counties selected on highest reported crime rate?

Why other counties representing the other half of the population excluded? More importantly, what is the race percentage of crimes in this other half of reported crime rate counties?

If the sample choose to gather data around selected counties of high crime rate (i.e., ghetos) well then I am not surprised. For a more sound conclusion about data that occurred a decade ago (i.e., 2002) I would suggest taking all counties into account and then link that to race. Odds are they would be more balanced.

 

[OscarB63]

I'll go out on a limb here and say that blacks (I cringe using that word since it used to be an insult but thats the current word) overall are the least successful group in our society..........
If someone is raised properly in a positive environment, they will succeed. If they are raised in a negative environment, they may fail even if they are inherently decent.

the fact that 72% of black babies are born to unwed mothers might just have something to do with that.