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[SheWolf]

You pretty much have the same rights and access to the same programs.

Why just "nature and nurture?"

I'd say it has a lot to do with culture and fashion of thought.

If you gave blue eyed, left handed people such as myself the sort of excuses, programs, and passes that it is so much in vogue to give to young black males in urban areas, we'd soon gain a stereotypical reputation for violence and crime too.

 

[trfjr]

Why just "nature and nurture?"

I'd say it has a lot to do with culture and fashion of thought.

If you gave blue eyed, left handed people such as myself the sort of excuses, programs, and passes that it is so much in vogue to give to young black males in urban areas, we'd soon gain a stereotypical reputation for violence and crime too.

cause is a discussion we can have but cause doesn't change the statistics and the statistics show blacks commit over 50% of the murders and only being 13% of the population the reason why is another discussion, if blacks don't want to be profiled then they need to change the statistics so there is no reason to do so, telling some one not to profile doesn't change those facts why they are or should be

 

[TheDemSocialist]

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every day are over America we have stories just like this and using crime statistics Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. So why shouldn't they be profiled why shouldn't we be suspicious of Black males it is a survival instinct Maybe if that mother profiled and crossed the street once she saw those black youths her baby will be alive today

so someone give me an argument we shouldn't we profile why shouldn't we be suspicious of black male youths and dont hand me any PC crap I rather offend someone and be alive

AKA: Why you are a racist...

 

[SheWolf]

100 percent of neo nazis and Klansmen are white.

 

[SheWolf]

I don't see many black priests or deacons in the catholic church. Whichever room has the most catholic leaders in it is the child molester room.

you cant read statistic to well can you no wonder you are easily lied to its called "Relative to their population, likelihood of abuse compared to background population rate" look it up if you don't know what it means I'm not going to waste my time giving you a lesson on statistics

i will give you one quick lesson
it means if you have 200 white men in a group and you have 200 black man in a group you are over 100% more likely that the group of black man there would be a child molester compared to the group of white man

so i will ask using statistics what group would you pick from to have one watch your child

 

[trfjr]

No. You're misunderstanding the statistics. You're more likely to be molested by a white man. White men are a larger percentage of the molesters.

You're confused by the way you're breaking down the statistics to say a larger percentage of black people molest.

The fact is, you're more likely going to get molested by a white guy.

not misrespting anything it is you who doesn't understand. you not comparimg it relative to population


if you have 200 white men in a group and you have 200 black man in a group you are 127% more likely that the group of black man there would be a child molester compared to the group of white man

so i will ask using statistics what group would you pick from to have one watch your child

 

[radioman]

100 percent of neo nazis and Klansmen are white.

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Hmmph.....so the KKK black outreach program failed?
Whodathunkit?
Goodnight, wolfwoman.

 

[SheWolf]

All of the children I have seen molested were molested by a white person. What you're saying doesn't jive. You're more likely to encounter a white child molester because white people are not minorities.

Keeping your kids away from black people isn't likely to prevent them getting molested.

not misrespting anything it is you who doesn't understand. you not comparimg it relative to population


if you have 200 white men in a group and you have 200 black man in a group you are 127% more likely that the group of black man there would be a child molester compared to the group of white man

so i will ask using statistics what group would you pick from to have one watch your child

 

[trfjr]

AKA: Why you are a racist...

is math racist is statistics racist why are you ignorant I don't give a rats ass if you think im racist im beyond that it doesn't bother me i know what the FBI crime statistics tell me

 

[trfjr]

nope read it and im still laughing at it, weird you havent linked your source yet i bet its some bigoted blogger, sorry your OP still failed

did you link your source once you do i will mine and by the way there will be something very surprised about my source

 

[TheDemSocialist]

is math racist is statistics racist why are you ignorant I don't give a rats ass if you think im racist im beyond that it doesn't bother me i know what the FBI crime statistics tell me

AKA: Hey black man, you might commit a crime cuz stats prove it therefor we are going to x, y, and z to you... Am i correct? Which means we wil hold a prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on x y and z.. Right?

 

[Anagram]

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every day are over America we have stories just like this and using crime statistics Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. So why shouldn't they be profiled why shouldn't we be suspicious of Black males it is a survival instinct Maybe if that mother profiled and crossed the street once she saw those black youths her baby will be alive today

so someone give me an argument we shouldn't we profile why shouldn't we be suspicious of black male youths and dont hand me any PC crap I rather offend someone and be alive

That's not really a conclusive statistic by itself. I'd be interested to see the statistics of race and violent crime compared in cities and suburbs. Fact is most violent crime is urban. Black people also tend to make up a lot more than 13% of the urban population. A more telling statistic would be how much more likely are black people from cities to commit violent crime than white people from cities. Perhaps whether or not you live in a city turns out to be a much more relevant factor than race and you should just stay away from city people. To be more thorough other factors should probably be added in too. How much more likely is a black person from a low income neighborhood to commit a violent crime than a white person from a low income neighborhood. Age could also be a factor.

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, since I couldn't really find any data for the above in a very quick late google search, but the data in your OP is far from conclusive on whether or not you should be profiling.

 

[SheWolf]

And I know what working at a rape crisis center has taught me. More people I see are raped and molested by white people.

You don't seem to comprehend that white people are more likely to commit the crime on you, because there are more white people committing the.crime.

That's a fact. You seem to not understand that because you want to argue, since there is less black people and a larger percentage of them.... You're more likely to be victim of a black person.

you probably encounter more white people everyday than black people. By that fact, you're more likely to get coughed on, stared at, bumped, and involved in a car crash with a white person.

is math racist is statistics racist why are you ignorant I don't give a rats ass if you think im racist im beyond that it doesn't bother me i know what the FBI crime statistics tell me

 

[Ray410]

Americans never accepted the laws against profiling because those laws were based on Liberal political correctness rather than reason and common sense.

If sixteen people in a row, all with a common characteristic, commit a crime, what would be the logical conclusion about the seventeenth with that same common characteristic?

Those sorts of conclusions seem to most people to be smart police work and most people resent smart police work being prohibited by Liberal political correctness, ridicule and name calling.

It is not productive for either side to always have a discussion of race instantly labeled as racism.

 

[Oftencold]

You pretty much have the same rights and access to the same programs.

Welcome the United States. I assume that you've just arrived?

 

[trfjr]

And I know what working at a rape crisis center has taught me. More people I see are raped and molested by white people.

You don't seem to comprehend that white people are more likely to commit the crime on you, because there are more white people committing the.crime.

That's a fact. You seem to not understand that because you want to argue, since there is less black people and a larger percentage of them.... You're more likely to be victim of a black person.

you probably encounter more white people everyday than black people. By that fact, you're more likely to get coughed on, stared at, bumped, and involved in a car crash with a white person.

FBI statistics show that blacks commit 90% of interracial crime*

1. African -Americans commit 90% of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence that occur in the United States every year, and are more than 50 times more likely to commit vioent crime against whites than vice versa.

Major Findings

1. Blacks commit violent crimes four to eight times the white rate. Hispanic commit violent crimes at approximately three times the white rate, and Asians at one half to three quarters the white rate.

2. Blacks are as much more violent than whites (four to eight times) as men are more violent than women.

3. Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites. Blacks are 50 times more likely than whites to commit individual acts of interracial violence. They are up to 250 times more likley than whites to engage in multiple-offender or group interracial violence.

4. There is more black-on-white than black-on-black violent crime. Fifty-six percent of violent crimes committed by blacks have white victims. Only two to three percent of violent crimes committed by whites have black victims.

5. Blacks are twice as likely to commit hate crimes.

*Sources

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States

Bureau of Justice Statistics, Criminal Vitimization

Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice

Federal of Investigation, Hate Crime Statistics

 

[Anagram]

Americans never accepted the laws against profiling because those laws were based on Liberal political correctness rather than reason and common sense.

If sixteen people in a row, all with a common characteristic, commit a crime, what would be the logical conclusion about the seventeenth with that same common characteristic?

Those sorts of conclusions seem to most people to be smart police work and most people resent smart police work being prohibited by Liberal political correctness, ridicule and name calling.

It is not productive for either side to always have a discussion of race instantly labeled as racism.

As long as good use of statistics in the profiling rather than the inconclusive statistics presented by the OP I would have no problem with it. Also, there would have to be a huge gap in the percentage of people committing the crime. If people with the characteristic profiled were just 1% more likely than people without that characteristic than it would not be worth it.

 

[Anagram]

FBI statistics show that blacks commit 90% of interracial crime*

1. African -Americans commit 90% of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence that occur in the United States every year, and are more than 50 times more likely to commit vioent crime against whites than vice versa.

Major Findings

1. Blacks commit violent crimes four to eight times the white rate. Hispanic commit violent crimes at approximately three times the white rate, and Asians at one half to three quarters the white rate.

2. Blacks are as much more violent than whites (four to eight times) as men are more violent than women.

3. Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites. Blacks are 50 times more likely than whites to commit individual acts of interracial violence. They are up to 250 times more likley than whites to engage in multiple-offender or group interracial violence.

4. There is more black-on-white than black-on-black violent crime. Fifty-six percent of violent crimes committed by blacks have white victims. Only two to three percent of violent crimes committed by whites have black victims.

5. Blacks are twice as likely to commit hate crimes.

*Sources

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States

Bureau of Justice Statistics, Criminal Vitimization

Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice

Federal of Investigation, Hate Crime Statistics

Is that because of their blackness, or other characteristics that blacks are more likely to have than whites? In order to be right about profiling based on race you have to show that race was the factor that actually determines a higher percentage of these types of crimes.

 

[trfjr]

As long as good use of statistics in the profiling rather than the inconclusive statistics presented by the OP I would have no problem with it. Also, there would have to be a huge gap in the percentage of people committing the crime. If people with the characteristic profiled were just 1% more likely than people without that characteristic than it would not be worth it.

statistics like this

FBI statistics show that blacks commit 90% of interracial crime*

1. African -Americans commit 90% of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence that occur in the United States every year, and are more than 50 times more likely to commit vioent crime against whites than vice versa.

Major Findings

1. Blacks commit violent crimes four to eight times the white rate. Hispanic commit violent crimes at approximately three times the white rate, and Asians at one half to three quarters the white rate.

2. Blacks are as much more violent than whites (four to eight times) as men are more violent than women.

3. Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites. Blacks are 50 times more likely than whites to commit individual acts of interracial violence. They are up to 250 times more likley than whites to engage in multiple-offender or group interracial violence.

4. There is more black-on-white than black-on-black violent crime. Fifty-six percent of violent crimes committed by blacks have white victims. Only two to three percent of violent crimes committed by whites have black victims.

5. Blacks are twice as likely to commit hate crimes.

*Sources

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States

Bureau of Justice Statistics, Criminal Vitimization

Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice

Federal of Investigation, Hate Crime Statistics

the number are pretty damming and goes against any argument not to profile. i know you should try to be politically correct but your doing so at a risk to your own safety

 

[Anagram]

statistics like this




the number are pretty damming and goes against any argument not to profile. i know you should try to be politically correct but your doing so at a risk to your own safety

The problem is that race might not be the determining factor. Just because blacks have a higher crime rate does not mean that being black is the reason the crime rate is higher. If its not then profiling based on that wouldn't make any sense. It could be that living in an urban area or being from a low income family or age are more significant factors. Blacks tend to be both of those at much higher rates than whites. If that's the case, then you shouldn't be profiling based on race but on whether or not you are in a low income neighborhood or whether the person on the street is a teenager.

It could be that white teenagers from low income urban neighborhoods are no less likely to commit crimes than black teenagers from low income urban neighborhoods. That might also not be the case, but the statistic you presented is far from conclusive.

 

[trfjr]

Is that because of their blackness, or other characteristics that blacks are more likely to have than whites? In order to be right about profiling based on race you have to show that race was the factor that actually determines a higher percentage of these types of crimes.

its not low income that is the factor why blacks have a higher crime rate then whites there are more poor whites (4.2 million) then there are poor blacks (3.6 million) so if income is a major contributing factor then the white to black comparison would be alot closer


i contribute their high crime rate to their culture not their income their culture is something they can change we cant help with that it is something they need to do

 

[Anagram]

its not low income that is the factor why blacks have a higher crime rate then whites there are more poor whites (4.2 million) then there are poor blacks (3.6 million) so if income is a major contributing factor then the white to black comparison would be alot closer

Because of the distinction between rural and urban crime. That's why I said low income neighborhoods and talked about the urban rural divide in my first post on this thread. There are a lot of poor rural Americans, and most of them are white. I would bet that rural crime rates are a lot less than urban crime rates. I would suspect that low income, urban blacks outnumber low income urban whites.

 

[DDD]

Here are the actual statistics:
Race and ethnicity

Forty-one percent of violent felons were black, non-
Hispanic , 30% were Hispanic, and 26% were white,
non-Hispanic. Blacks (46%) comprised a higher
percentage of murderers than Hispanics (27%) or
whites (23%).

Whites(37%)and blacks(35%)accounted for higher
percentages of rapists than Hispanics (23%). Blacks
accounted for 54% of robbers, twice the percentage
of Hispanics(27%)and about 3 times that of whites
(17%).

Blacks (39%) accounted for about two-fifths of those
convicted of felony assault, compared to about a third
who were Hispanic (32%), and a fourth who were white
(26%).

Blacks (55%) comprised a majority of the violent
felons who were under age 18. Blacks accounted for
about two-fifths of the total in each age category
from 21 through 34.

Whites accounted for 13% of the violent felons under
age 18. The percentage of whites rose in each successive
age category, and was about the same as for blacks in
the 35 to 39 age category, and slightly higher in the
40 or older category.

Hispanics accounted for 30% of violent felons under
age 18, and about a third in each age group from 18
to 29. The percentage of Hispanics was lower than
that for both blacks and whites in the 35 and older
age categories.

Where did you get these? Sources please?

 

[DDD]

Im not arguing cause its good to discuss it and attempt to address the cause believe me I want a solution, but the lefts war on poverty is a failure i believe it made it worse by encouraging single mothers to have children out of wedlock

You can call me racist all you want im past the point of caring. i rather be labeled as a racist and have me and my children be alive, Im getting sick reading my local paper crime page and before i get finished with the first paragraph i know the race of the perpetrators with out being told and being right 9 out of 10 times, we had our local crime stopper show taken off the air because the vast majority of the crimes they was asking for information to help solve where bkack males and the stare run NAACP says the show was racist and had it shut down

The risk with overt racism though may be self-fulfilling prophecies. If you discriminate based on race openly than you may be educating African Americans about what white people are. Attaching a "nothing changed since slavery" may not be far fetched then.

 

[DDD]

I have to say that I'm of an age now where I avoid any congregation of rowdy acting young people - particularly at night - particularly in places I'm not familiar with or that I'm uncomfortable with. I don't care if they're black, white, orange or green. I've read enough and seen enough to know that many young people today, regardless of race, have a total disregard for the value of life and particularly so a value to the life of their peers. Young people go around beating and kicking homeless people, vandalizing neighborhoods and businesses, and viciously bullying any of their peers whom they view as weak or "damaged".

For me, profiling young people as a dangerous demographic is just natural and common sense, like avoiding rabid dogs or floundering drunks.

This in Canada you say? Have sources?