The Marijuana Reform Winds Of Change Are Picking Up

[Goshin]

Homosexuals would be removed from society. Organized female prostitution I have no issue with. LV, AC, etc.... would be out of the gambling business completely (as would everyone else). Drinkers and smokers would also be in a lot of trouble. The biggest issue would be people whose family organization is upside-down (woman works, guy stays at home)

The purges would be preceeded by a six month period to get the hell out of the country. They wouldn't be able to take any money or property with them, and they would lose their citizenship the moment the plane, train, etc... crossed the border but they would at least be able to continue to exist. After that point it would be fair game.

Has it occurred to you to think about how it would feel if the shoe was on the other foot?

What if someone else was in power, with the same "kill 'em all" attitude but a DIFFERENT set of morals... and decided you were among the immoral?

As I recall you've said you're a pagan of some sort.... The Spanish Inquisition used to have a jolly old time using pagans for weenie-roasts you know.

I'm one of the few who has given you the benefit of the doubt much of the time, Tigger, but you're really going off into the wild blue yonder on this one. I have to wonder if it isn't on purpose, knowing that the more extreme you sound the more attention you draw...

 

[Dezaad]

Pot smoking is immoral, but killing a pot smoker isn't? OK, got it.

The insanity of the control freaks. Bizarre thinking.

 

[The Man]

Tigger, but you're really going off into the wild blue yonder on this one.

He's trolling, there's no doubt about that. But, I guess he accomplished his goal, we paid attention to him and responded.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Homosexuals would be removed from society. Organized female prostitution I have no issue with. LV, AC, etc.... would be out of the gambling business completely (as would everyone else). Drinkers and smokers would also be in a lot of trouble. The biggest issue would be people whose family organization is upside-down (woman works, guy stays at home)

The purges would be preceeded by a six month period to get the hell out of the country. They wouldn't be able to take any money or property with them, and they would lose their citizenship the moment the plane, train, etc... crossed the border but they would at least be able to continue to exist. After that point it would be fair game.

WOW Tigger, I bet you are the life of the party. Chill out, my friend. You're way out to the right of Rush Limbaugh and even Archie Bunker. ; -)

 

[Paschendale]

Does anyone actually have a non-sociopathic reason to oppose legal marijuana? And can we please stop letting crazy people derail threads? I want to discuss the topic, not them. Can we just ignore the loonies and talk to each other?

Everyone's heard the reasons to support legalized marijuana. A substantial portion (it's estimated that a third of Americans spoke pot illegally at some point in their lives) of the population uses it, despite it being illegal. It has medical uses to treat pain and lessen the side effects of chemotherapy. It's fun. And the cost to keep it away from people has lead to overcrowded jails, huge amounts of violence, and numerous reductions in fourth amendment protection. Is there any possible reason to keep it illegal? What do we gain by this law that takes away a freedom from people? And then requires additional freedoms to be taken in order to maintain it?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Does anyone actually have a non-sociopathic reason to oppose legal marijuana? And can we please stop letting crazy people derail threads? I want to discuss the topic, not them. Can we just ignore the loonies and talk to each other?

Everyone's heard the reasons to support legalized marijuana. A substantial portion (it's estimated that a third of Americans spoke pot illegally at some point in their lives) of the population uses it, despite it being illegal. It has medical uses to treat pain and lessen the side effects of chemotherapy. It's fun. And the cost to keep it away from people has lead to overcrowded jails, huge amounts of violence, and numerous reductions in fourth amendment protection. Is there any possible reason to keep it illegal? What do we gain by this law that takes away a freedom from people? And then requires additional freedoms to be taken in order to maintain it?

Yor are preaching to the choir here "Pa". I agree that banning things, that pose no danger to others, if used as intended is a losing battle. If there is a demand then someone will supply it. We seem to have learned nothing from the alcohol prohibition "experience". That is not surprising, since you would think that after our Vietnam "experiance", that Afghanistan would have been a "no brainer". Banning recreational drugs does not make them go away, it makes them untaxable (other than LEO bribes), artificially raises their street price and profit margins and places them under the control of very RICH and very violent criminal gangs. If that is anyone's idea of gov't "control" it sure is a strange one to me. Legalize, tax and regulate ALL recreational drugs, just like we now do for alcohol, and enjoy the HUGE savings to the taxpaying public. Sure some morons will become addicted and overdose, plenty are doing that right now and I sure don't miss them, but I do not like the higher law enforcement costs, the higher violent crime that drug selling gangs cause or the higher property crime that inflated drug prices "force" addicts to commit. ;-)

 

[missypea]

And on election day, this year, multiple states will have legalized marijuana. The juggernaut is finally here, and nobody is going to stop it. What will be tamped down are the Mexican cartels, who will lose money. They want the drug war, because the War on Drugs is very profitable for them. Al Capone wanted prohibition, but common sense finally prevailed, as it is eventually going to prevail on today's prohibition on marijuana.

And now another one of my patented rants against Democrats and Republicans -

Yes, Democrats want to be our doting mother, and stop us from smoking the herb. It's all for our own good they say. Democrats want to love us all to death. But we are friggen' adults, and able to make our own decisions. Mommy doesn't like that, so to keep us safe from ourselves, she wants to throw us all in prison. Most Americans want to kick Mommy's ass.

And Republicans? Don't even get me started.... Wait, DO get me started. Here I go..... Y'all are nothing but a bunch of freakin' hypocritical assholes. You preach smaller government, but when people do something you don't like, then you are in favor of expanding government enough to imprison just about everybody who refuses to fit your "Ward and June Cleaver Family" mold. Y'all are a bunch of crazy psychopaths who would throw your own mother in prison if it scored political points with your bat**** crazy base. Yea, your mother smokes weed too. You might want to take her advise, and pull that damn stick out of your ass, but you probably like having that stick up there. That is probably the best explanation for all those scandals where Republicans are revealed as gay people who hate themselves.

/rant :mrgreen:

Redress edit: Here is the link Dana forgot to add in(good thing pot does not harm short term memory...oops): The Marijuana Reform Winds Of Change Are Picking Up | The Weed Blog

I never really liked the way I felt when I smoked pot but with my fibromyalgia getting worse all the time, I'd like to try it to see if it helps with pain management. I saw a show about how they're making butter, etc. with it now so you don't even need to 'inhale'. Anyone ever try that for pain management rather than getting high......and did it help?

Anyway, I've seriously considered having that chat with my doc on the subject as here in Washington we have medical marijuana available. I just need my green card.

 

[Verthaine]

Homosexuals would be removed from society.

Sort of like Japanese Americans during WW2.
Or are you thinking something more in the line of what Germany did to homosexuals during that same time period?

Organized female prostitution I have no issue with.

Been hitting those brothels run by the Russian mob?
I guess you don't have a problem with paying for your nookie.Good for you?
Two guys having sex and in love you consider immoral,but a woman selling her cootchie is A-Okay in your book?

LV, AC, etc.... would be out of the gambling business completely (as would everyone else).

They can all go work for you.
Someone has to run all those detention centers and deathcamps.

Drinkers and smokers would also be in a lot of trouble.

So would anyone who disagrees with you,huh mein fuhrer?

The biggest issue would be people whose family organization is upside-down (woman works, guy stays at home).

I didn't even know this was an issue.
So,these people get shoved into your gas chambers first,huh?
Wow,you really are a sick fascist,aren't you?

The purges would be preceeded by a six month period to get the hell out of the country. They wouldn't be able to take any money or property with them, and they would lose their citizenship the moment the plane, train, etc...

Sort of like the Germans did in the 1930's.

crossed the border but they would at least be able to continue to exist. After that point it would be fair game.

Let me guess,bombs in the trains,missiles shooting airplane out of the skies.
Gee,your're a real humanitarian.


I am a firm believer of freedom of speech.And people like you have the right to say what they want to say.But with all the sociopaths like you running around this very forum,it's going to be a just a matter of time before one of you wingnuts goes beyond taking crap,and crosses the line to commit a horrific act.Then this website is going to get closed down while the feds scour over everybodies posts and pm's to find motives (and possible accomplices) as to why someone like you firebombed a mosque or a gay bar.

You don't need a joint,you need Halidol or even Thorizine.

 

[Hikertrash]

What's worse? Kids walking around thinking it's okay because they've got less than an ounce of the stuff. Not comprehending how bad that crap is and what it can lead to. Things like that. There is no help for people like me while the vast majority of human beings are allowed to roam free.

I guess you're not familiar with the law, past or present.

In the past if a kid got caught with pot, they'd receive a criminal record, which could affect them the rest of their life. Now if they get caught, the "law requires additional penalties for minors such as Parental notification, compulsory drug awareness program, and 10 hours community service that was not required under prior law. It also requires a larger $1,000 fine and possible delinquency proceedings for those under 17 if they do not complete the requirements of the law."

 

[Hikertrash]

I've always wanted to ask a cop this. Goshin, in your experience, would you say marijuana makes people more violent, less violent or equally violent than alcohol?

Well that depends on how good the munchies are.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I never really liked the way I felt when I smoked pot but with my fibromyalgia getting worse all the time, I'd like to try it to see if it helps with pain management. I saw a show about how they're making butter, etc. with it now so you don't even need to 'inhale'. Anyone ever try that for pain management rather than getting high......and did it help?

Anyway, I've seriously considered having that chat with my doc on the subject as here in Washington we have medical marijuana available. I just need my green card.

My girlfriend's youngest daughter has a kidney problem that makes it impossible for her to use even "mild" OTC pain meds so she smokes/eats marijuana. It is legal in OR, where she lives, and she has a "license" to grow/possess it. She claims it works fine and does not affect her ability to drive or work at all. Enjoy. ;-)

 

[lizzie]

I've always wanted to ask a cop this. Goshin, in your experience, would you say marijuana makes people more violent, less violent or equally violent than alcohol?

I'm not a cop, but have known, and currently know, a substantial number of pot-smokers, and I have never known one who had any violent tendencies at all.

 

[lizzie]

Homosexuals would be removed from society. Organized female prostitution I have no issue with. LV, AC, etc.... would be out of the gambling business completely (as would everyone else). Drinkers and smokers would also be in a lot of trouble. The biggest issue would be people whose family organization is upside-down (woman works, guy stays at home)

The purges would be preceeded by a six month period to get the hell out of the country. They wouldn't be able to take any money or property with them, and they would lose their citizenship the moment the plane, train, etc... crossed the border but they would at least be able to continue to exist. After that point it would be fair game.

Ya know? There's a lot of places around the world that would fit your criteria quite well. Problem is, you'd probably have to give up your religion, or at the very least, practice it in relative secrecy.

 

[Hikertrash]

I never really liked the way I felt when I smoked pot but with my fibromyalgia getting worse all the time, I'd like to try it to see if it helps with pain management. I saw a show about how they're making butter, etc. with it now so you don't even need to 'inhale'. Anyone ever try that for pain management rather than getting high......and did it help?

Anyway, I've seriously considered having that chat with my doc on the subject as here in Washington we have medical marijuana available. I just need my green card.

Here's one article about treating fibromyalgia with marijuana, I'm sure you can find others.

Medical marijuana may help fibromyalgia pain - CNN.com

You can not only make butter with pot but bread, brownies and cookies too. :2wave:

How to Make Pot Butter and Pot Cookies | Smoking With Style

 

[samsmart]

Has it occurred to you to think about how it would feel if the shoe was on the other foot?

What if someone else was in power, with the same "kill 'em all" attitude but a DIFFERENT set of morals... and decided you were among the immoral?

As I recall you've said you're a pagan of some sort.... The Spanish Inquisition used to have a jolly old time using pagans for weenie-roasts you know.

I'm one of the few who has given you the benefit of the doubt much of the time, Tigger, but you're really going off into the wild blue yonder on this one. I have to wonder if it isn't on purpose, knowing that the more extreme you sound the more attention you draw...

Don't feed the trolls, it just encourages them.

 

[Tigger]

Has it occurred to you to think about how it would feel if the shoe was on the other foot?

What if someone else was in power, with the same "kill 'em all" attitude but a DIFFERENT set of morals... and decided you were among the immoral?

In that situation you have three options (whether it's me or anyone else)...... Leave, Kill, or Die.

As I recall you've said you're a pagan of some sort.... The Spanish Inquisition used to have a jolly old time using pagans for weenie-roasts you know.

Actually I'm non-religious. I don't believe in organized religion. I'm spiritual instead (which the Inquisition found just as distasteful).

I'm one of the few who has given you the benefit of the doubt much of the time, Tigger, but you're really going off into the wild blue yonder on this one. I have to wonder if it isn't on purpose, knowing that the more extreme you sound the more attention you draw...

I have no interest in the attention. If I did, would I honestly suggest that people simply put me on ignore?

WOW Tigger, I bet you are the life of the party. Chill out, my friend. You're way out to the right of Rush Limbaugh and even Archie Bunker. ; -)

I'm not much of a partier and never have been. Besides, most bars and nightclubs won't let you in if you're packing and I don't go out into large groups unarmed. Limbaugh and Bunker are/were moderates so far as I'm concerned.

Ya know? There's a lot of places around the world that would fit your criteria quite well. Problem is, you'd probably have to give up your religion, or at the very least, practice it in relative secrecy.

In terms of religion, I'm very private about it. It's not something I make a big deal out of publicly. There are some places that come close to what I'm looking for, but nowhere quite close enough. I do keep looking, and hope to find a good fit in the near future.

 

[MadLib]

Less. Now the dealers are a different matter, but that's what prohibition does, it makes a cheap herb so lucrative people will kill each other to corner the market.

I know alcohol can make people aggressive (in psych I learned how alcohol actually does this to the brain), and that pot doesn't make people violent. Do other drugs like coke, meth, the like make people violent?

I am a collector of factoids.

 

[Alyssa]

In that situation you have three options (whether it's me or anyone else)...... Leave, Kill, or Die.



Actually I'm non-religious. I don't believe in organized religion. I'm spiritual instead (which the Inquisition found just as distasteful).



I have no interest in the attention. If I did, would I honestly suggest that people simply put me on ignore?



I'm not much of a partier and never have been. Besides, most bars and nightclubs won't let you in if you're packing and I don't go out into large groups unarmed. Limbaugh and Bunker are/were moderates so far as I'm concerned.



In terms of religion, I'm very private about it. It's not something I make a big deal out of publicly. There are some places that come close to what I'm looking for, but nowhere quite close enough. I do keep looking, and hope to find a good fit in the near future.

I call BS. How can one have a system of absolute morality with no religion? Who is your Authority? Lemme guess- It's you!

oh and....

 

[Tigger]

I call BS. How can one have a system of absolute morality with no religion? Who is your Authority? Lemme guess- It's you!

Some of us see Morality as actually superceeding religion. Personally, I believe that true morality is, or at least WAS as innately a part of the human experience at one time as being taught how to eat or make fire. Unfortunately as we have "advanced", we have moved away from the basics of the human existance and experience, we have lost these things.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I know alcohol can make people aggressive (in psych I learned how alcohol actually does this to the brain), and that pot doesn't make people violent. Do other drugs like coke, meth, the like make people violent?

I am a collector of factoids.

Psychoactive substances alter many aspects of brain activity, affecting judgement, logical thought and reducing normal inhibitions. The affect of any single substance "dose" varies greatly among individuals, the combination of multiple substances and other "side effects" such as sleep deprivation, dehydration and appetite gain/loss further mess with brain chemistry making the eventual behavior changes very unpredictable. The best "factoid" that I can offer, from personal experience and observation, is that stoned/drunk folks are capable of doing some really, really weird stuff. ;-)

 

[Captain America]

Then I must be insane, since I believe it is immoral to place oneself in a chemically altered mental state without having immediate and constant trained medical oversight. It is my understanding (and was my father's as well) that the side effects of this chemical are the same whether it is taken in its illegal form or in the quasi-legal medical form. They create an altered mental state, as do tobacco and alcohol.

I wouldn't go as far as saying you are insane. But it is quite obvious to us all that you do seem to have some type of an altered mental state, albeit, according to you, not chemically induced. But "altered" none the less. You seem to be fine with it. I'm fine with it.

Why not let others choose to be in an altered mental state as well, if they are fine with it?

 

[ttwtt78640]

I wouldn't go as far as saying you are insane. But it is quite obvious to us all that you do seem to have some type of an altered mental state, albeit, according to you, not chemically induced. But "altered" none the less. You seem to be fine with it. I'm fine with it.

Why not let others choose to be in an altered mental state as well, if they are fine with it?

Either that, or Tigger is a far-right, facist, nut case that wishes to control the entire world based on some "final solution" that he has planned in his (altered or not normally functioning) mind. It's a call that I just can't quite make, without getting into an altered state of mind, myself. [sound of beer can popping] ;-)

 

[ChuckBerry]

I saw a show about how they're making butter, etc. with it now so you don't even need to 'inhale'. Anyone ever try that for pain management rather than getting high......and did it help?

THC is soluble in fat and alcohol, so you can cook with it or immerse it in alcohol to release THC, but both methods are much less efficient than burning and inhaling the herb, and you get high from it no matter what, sorry.

 

[samsmart]

Some of us see Morality as actually superceeding religion. Personally, I believe that true morality is, or at least WAS as innately a part of the human experience at one time as being taught how to eat or make fire. Unfortunately as we have "advanced", we have moved away from the basics of the human existance and experience, we have lost these things.

Yes, because the values needed in a per-civilization hunter-gatherer society must be the same values that we retain in a modern technological society with the scientific advancements we have achieved over the centuries.

 

[Tigger]

I wouldn't go as far as saying you are insane. But it is quite obvious to us all that you do seem to have some type of an altered mental state, albeit, according to you, not chemically induced. But "altered" none the less. You seem to be fine with it. I'm fine with it.

Why not let others choose to be in an altered mental state as well, if they are fine with it?

Not an altered mental state. Simply a different viewpoint for seeing the world. Even if I were to concede an "altered mental state", the difference would be thus..... In my state I am capable of making immediate judgements and decisions unimpaired. Those whose minds are muddled by drug, drink, or smoke (among other things) are not always capable of doing so. THAT is the problem with these concoctions.

Either that, or Tigger is a far-right, facist, nut case that wishes to control the entire world based on some "final solution" that he has planned in his (altered or not normally functioning) mind. It's a call that I just can't quite make, without getting into an altered state of mind, myself. [sound of beer can popping] ;-)

Not a "final solution" as you suggest so much as a grand re-engineering of society on the most basic level.

Yes, because the values needed in a per-civilization hunter-gatherer society must be the same values that we retain in a modern technological society with the scientific advancements we have achieved over the centuries.

If the morality cannot survive the technology, then the technology is unnecessary and in fact dangerous/damaging to the world at large.