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The Hypocrisy of the Word Insurrection

Its definition all depends on the political party in power.


Today is the day to shut down DC by the left. How violent will it become? Will it be peaceful, instead?

Well, if your shtick is that 1/6 was no big deal because there has been no "insurrection" charges, you are conveniently ignoring all the other alleged crimes that occurred that day.

Conspiracy, assault, violent entry, physical violence, obstruction of Congress, destruction of property, carrying deadly or dangerous weapons, etc. No big deal! /s

 
That could be because the police were out in force to be heavy-handed on conservatives, but in leftist demonstrations by Antifa and BLM, very few arrests occur because the police are told to stand down. Yes, these conservative hell raisers should have been arrested but so should those anarchists on the left, instead of being given a pass. Again, that verifies what Tucker Carlson says in the OP.
This is the raving of someone so divorced from reality that any claim is okay, regardless of connection to facts, so long as it forwards the narrative. What a dangerous joke.
 
Lots of folks like to label the January 6 date an insurrection, but with me, insurrections I have heard about, they normally happen as an armed insurrection. Very few had weapons, and one of the men cited as having a weapon was a DEA agent, who was attending the rally. Had most of the folks gone there armed to the teeth, then that would have been something to really worry about. Sure, there were the violent types, who took the law into their own hands and beat up cops or broke windows, but some just walked up, thinking the Capitol was open for tours or were invited in by the police, and they resultingly were cited with trespass and even worse crimes for which many didn't do. Few of those folks have been given a trial and are now rotting in that hell hole of a jail in DC. Then you have that woman, Ashlii Babbitt murdered by a police officer, and the officer subsequently exonerated. If anything, she was guilty of trespass like the other folks, but she was shot to death with no warning given. I watched the video of her death. Last I looked, trespass was not punishable by death.
Again, let us know when you make connection to the real world. This certainly doesn't bode well.
 
Okay, that's about enough of this nonsense. The OP has no connection to reality.

Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
Seditious conspiracy: If two or more persons... in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to ... oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof (.)

ALL of those definitions have been met. The OP is furthering sedition.
 
This is the raving of someone so divorced from reality that any claim is okay, regardless of connection to facts, so long as it forwards the narrative. What a dangerous joke.

Sad thing is people actually listen to him.
 
Only an idiot would compare rioting in the streets and an attack on the capitol building... I guess when you have sunk so low as to support a POS like Trump, things like our nations capitol lose all meaning...
So you claim that riots in cities like Minneapolis, Kenosha, Seattle, and Portland were peaceful demonstrations, not riots?
 
Meh too bad more traitors didnt bite the dust. I tire of being on the only side expected to be decent about this. Theres no decency in this so **** it.
 
D6F1AFF5-8A05-4592-A09F-AF3C0F83F828.jpegHey op. Hows that dead terryist workin out?
 
Amen, brother!

In 2020, there was a genuine insurrection based on the spurious claim that cops are just looking for a chance to kill certain perfectly innocent and sweet young gentlemen.

That insurrection resulted in its leaders reaping millions from corporations falling over themselves to show support.

And cynical politicians even falling on their knees in the Capitol to show contrition.
As I have said to you before, that is the narrative you have been fed.

Consensus reality has a different take.

Which is why a narrative was created for your consumption.

So you can still feel.patriotic while defending unpatriotic assholes ready to tear the whole Experiment down because they'd rather believe a pretty lie over the ugly truth.
 
OK, out of how many present near the Capitol that day? I was doing what the bulk of the MSM did while describing multiple outbreaks of rioting, looting and arson (aka violence) during the “mostly peaceful” BLM protests. Granted that those likely resulting in fewer arrests, but the violence was not less.

The violence of Summer 2020 came in cycles, typically.
The protesters would march, and the marches usually had an end point, like most do, a destination where they would all assemble.

Then on the periphery the violence would pop up, the vandalism, arson, the physical attacks, and by nightfall it would be in full swing long after any marchers had finished their events. By now one would think that there'd be enough evidence drawing clear lines that demonstrate that these were the same groups of people.
After all, numerous arrests were made, countless hours of footage both broadcast and citizen journalism on social media, so much of it used in court cases, etc.

The George Floyd protests and the ensuing violence, rioting, damage etc have been investigated to death, yes?
By now don't you think Trump friendly journos such as O'Keefe et al would have come up with something damning that shows protest organizers and countless followers with blood on their hands?

Add to that, the lives of four Minneapolis police officers were in the balance as well, so it would behoove the press which were friendly to the cause to drum up support by revealing a smoking gun tying Black Lives Matter directly to the violence, straight up charges, trials and convictions of BLM participants, both key and backgrounders.

With all the POWER, MONEY and RESOURCES, no such thing has surfaced.
Amazing, absolutely amazing...these BLM-ers must be the most sophisticated underworld terrorists to ever walk the planet.
No Russian, Chinese, or even North Korean spy can even be worthy of tying their bootlaces. Not even the Israeli Mossad.
They appear to have committed the perfect crime, AND COWED the media into total submission, even the Right wing media, even the RW underground.

We corralled thousands of black militant activists in the 1960's, endless lists of charges, stiff prison sentences, many of those convicted even died in prison.
I'm astounded that out of all the chaos not a single member of law enforcement is able to hold up a mug shot and say: "We caught BLM redhanded setting fires or killing people."

Of course, if you just think anyone and everyone on the street both day and night are guilty by association, I guess it's an open and shut case.
But I know what I saw...
 
Ttwtt is exactly right. Most people who attended the rally did not get violent, did not storm the capital, did nothing worse than attend a speech by the then president. This does not excuse what those who did storm the capital did, but to villainize those who did not by association is the exact same thing I and many others criticized our right wing friends for.

According to folks like @ttwtt78640 anybody and everybody who was on the street after Floyd got killed is automatically guilty of arson, murder, vandalism, looting.
The protesters are all part of the mob.
Four in every ten Republicans openly state that they believe violence is necessary in the next election.
It's been posted countless times but if you want I'll dig up the link again.
 
Ttwtt is exactly right. Most people who attended the rally did not get violent, did not storm the capital, did nothing worse than attend a speech by the then president. This does not excuse what those who did storm the capital did, but to villainize those who did not by association is the exact same thing I and many others criticized our right wing friends for.
I'm sorry, but this is excuse-making, and you're supporting it. The attack on the Capitol was an insurrection. By definition. The OP is based upon an outright, obvious, and blatant lie. It is one of the oldest lies in the books. "I can produce a hundred witnesses who didn't see the defendant murder the victim." It proves nothing. It is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if a million people committed other crimes in other locations. Again, it proves nothing. It is irrelevant.

On January 6 about 1000 criminals violently attacked the US Capitol to commit a seditious conspiracy by disrupting the orderly operation of a Constitutional process. That is an insurrection, again, by definition. It doesn't matter of 10,000,000 Trump supporters didn't enter the Capitol. What matters is 1000 did. They weren't tourists. They were violent. They did it intentionally. Pretending otherwise is merely promoting a lie.
 
And how many are serving time ?
So far, about a dozen. The wheels of justice grind slowly. What a remarkably stupid question. How many are likely to be convicted? About 700. If we're lucky, a dozen or so more. The instigators. The planners. The accessories.

As far as I am concerned, they can all rot, including the anti-American sedition excusers who start threads like this and those that continue to excuse such behavior. They are part of the problem, as are you. Decorum prevents me from expressing my true feelings, but hopefully, you get the drift.
 
Just one question @ttwtt78640 ...
How come Dems and Black Lives Matter always have to answer for looters and arsonists but NRA never has to answer for school shootings?
 
Just one question @ttwtt78640 ...
How come Dems and Black Lives Matter always have to answer for looters and arsonists but NRA never has to answer for school shootings?

I never stated or implied that any organization should have to “answer for” crimes committed by an individual, whether or not that individual was assumed (or claimed) to be an organization member. Just as all police officers should not share blame for the actions some other police officer(s), the idea that all Trump voters or republicants share responsibility for the actions of the 1/6 rioters is also moronic.
 
I'm sorry, but this is excuse-making, and you're supporting it. The attack on the Capitol was an insurrection. By definition. The OP is based upon an outright, obvious, and blatant lie. It is one of the oldest lies in the books. "I can produce a hundred witnesses who didn't see the defendant murder the victim." It proves nothing. It is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if a million people committed other crimes in other locations. Again, it proves nothing. It is irrelevant.

On January 6 about 1000 criminals violently attacked the US Capitol to commit a seditious conspiracy by disrupting the orderly operation of a Constitutional process. That is an insurrection, again, by definition. It doesn't matter of 10,000,000 Trump supporters didn't enter the Capitol. What matters is 1000 did. They weren't tourists. They were violent. They did it intentionally. Pretending otherwise is merely promoting a lie.
I am not making an excuse for anyone. Those who stormed the capital, who attacked the police, who committed vandalism, whatever crime they committed, they are all criminals who should be prosecuted. Just because I do not get hung up on labels, and just because I differentiate between those who acted, and those who simply where there, does not mean I think any less of those who committed their crimes.

And on the subject of labels(which you seem quite fond of), they are an inherently weak argument. Far too many people want to characterize those they disagree with as socialists, or communists, or fascists, or racists, or traitor, or American hating, or whatever label people can think to apply. If someone is a socialist, it means they support the purges the USSR did, they want to make us just like Venezuela, they want to make private business illegal. So by calling someone as an example "socialist", even if they support none of that, they are still associated with it. What the people who took part in the Capital riots did was just as bad no matter what label you attach to it. There is no need to stick labels on them in an effort to make them seem worse...they already are just that bad. I for one am tired of arguing against labels thrown out by people who do not want to put the effort into formulating real arguments.
 
So far, about a dozen. The wheels of justice grind slowly. What a remarkably stupid question. How many are likely to be convicted? About 700. If we're lucky, a dozen or so more. The instigators. The planners. The accessories.

As far as I am concerned, they can all rot, including the anti-American sedition excusers who start threads like this and those that continue to excuse such behavior. They are part of the problem, as are you. Decorum prevents me from expressing my true feelings, but hopefully, you get the drift.

Yes, I understand.

I would be banned if I told you what I thought of your response.
 
I am not making an excuse for anyone. Those who stormed the capital, who attacked the police, who committed vandalism, whatever crime they committed, they are all criminals who should be prosecuted. Just because I do not get hung up on labels, and just because I differentiate between those who acted, and those who simply where there, does not mean I think any less of those who committed their crimes.

And on the subject of labels(which you seem quite fond of), they are an inherently weak argument. Far too many people want to characterize those they disagree with as socialists, or communists, or fascists, or racists, or traitor, or American hating, or whatever label people can think to apply. If someone is a socialist, it means they support the purges the USSR did, they want to make us just like Venezuela, they want to make private business illegal. So by calling someone as an example "socialist", even if they support none of that, they are still associated with it. What the people who took part in the Capital riots did was just as bad no matter what label you attach to it. There is no need to stick labels on them in an effort to make them seem worse...they already are just that bad. I for one am tired of arguing against labels thrown out by people who do not want to put the effort into formulating real arguments.
Oh, I am only interested in labels that are applicable. That is why I provide definitions. :)
 
I am not making an excuse for anyone. Those who stormed the capital, who attacked the police, who committed vandalism, whatever crime they committed, they are all criminals who should be prosecuted. Just because I do not get hung up on labels, and just because I differentiate between those who acted, and those who simply where there, does not mean I think any less of those who committed their crimes.

And on the subject of labels(which you seem quite fond of), they are an inherently weak argument. Far too many people want to characterize those they disagree with as socialists, or communists, or fascists, or racists, or traitor, or American hating, or whatever label people can think to apply. If someone is a socialist, it means they support the purges the USSR did, they want to make us just like Venezuela, they want to make private business illegal. So by calling someone as an example "socialist", even if they support none of that, they are still associated with it. What the people who took part in the Capital riots did was just as bad no matter what label you attach to it. There is no need to stick labels on them in an effort to make them seem worse...they already are just that bad. I for one am tired of arguing against labels thrown out by people who do not want to put the effort into formulating real arguments.

Well said.

I hope you realize the door swings both ways.
 
The biggest problem with the violence on 1/6 was that the President of the United States aided it in his effort to overturn an election because he lost.
 
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