We know who spreads Covid more over the population. The unvaccinated. We know who drains hospital resources more. The unvaccinated.Just like the federal governments right to enact mandates ends with the Constitution.
The problem with your premise is that you don't know who could possibly be passing covid. If you are standing in a room and smell cigarette smoke, you can look around and find out who is smoking. The guilty party can be asked to leave or stop smoking. In the case of covid, you have no clue who might be passing along the virus. It could be someone who is vaccinated or unvaccinated, showing symptoms or not showing symptoms. If your concern is not becoming infected then you have the right to stay at home. We accept risk every day that we wake up. Decide how much you are willing to take and go live your life. Don't attempt to force what you believe to be the solution upon someone else.
Just like the federal governments right to enact mandates ends with the Constitution.
We do? How do you know who has been vaccinated or not? You have no clue where you got Covid nor do I because I have it. Want tattoo on everyone vaccinated? how about the scarlet letter?We know who spreads Covid more over the population. The unvaccinated. We know who drains hospital resources more. The unvaccinated.
I did not vote for Trump and I am more conservative than most people. I am also vaccinated and boosted, and believe that for older people or those with poor health, including obesity, that the vaccine is probably a reasonable choice for them. But it isn't and has never been a one size fits all solution. And besides, many people have natural immunity after already being infected. So, allow people to make their own choices.lol
Biden: "everyone needs to get vaccinated. It makes symptons less severe and will save lives"
Trumpers: "**** that! Take this needle and shove it you commie"
The data: "most new cases and hospitalizations are among unvaccinated people"
Trumpers: "damn it biden, why aren't you doing anything about covid!"
You guys are hilarious.
No, it's just you have nothing but deflection and denial to try to counter it. This is a measured system.Oh, yes, but your explanation makes no sense and is filled with your own opinions and biases. If you are vaccinated why does it matter what someone else does
We have the statistics.We do? How do you know who has been vaccinated or not? You have no clue where you got Covid nor do I because I have it. Want tattoo on everyone vaccinated? how about the scarlet letter?
No, I have logic and common sense on my side and you call that deflection. If you are vaccinated why do you care what someone else does? As pointed out your statistics aren't worth the paper they are written on regarding CovidNo, it's just you have nothing but deflection and denial to try to counter it. This is a measured system.
We have the statistics.
Now comes the coward act.Asked and answered.
You suspect who spreads covid more but you don't know. There is no test that tells if someone was infected by a vaccinated or unvaccinated person.We know who spreads Covid more over the population. The unvaccinated. We know who drains hospital resources more. The unvaccinated.
Their personal healthcare decisions are their choice. Your personal healthcare decisions are YOUR choice.Yes, but those people's decisions affect more than just themselves.
As the old adage goes, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.
Fine, you have the statistics. You should feel comfortable to go live your life.No, it's just you have nothing but deflection and denial to try to counter it. This is a measured system.
We have the statistics.
Because ****ing morons who had it explained to them countless times still keep repeating the same moronic crap just like you did.Really angry this morning bro? Why?
Fully vaccinated and boosted people can be asymptomatic and spread the virus.
You understand that don't you?
How the **** do you come up with such crap? Is it utter stupidity or trolling. Probably both.It’s a good reason to just abolish Medicare and Medicaid altogether since those programs are a giant reason why healthcare is expensive.
I'm fine with people making their own choices. But don't come on here with a straight face and blame biden for trumpers choosing to not get vaccinated.I did not vote for Trump and I am more conservative than most people. I am also vaccinated and boosted, and believe that for older people or those with poor health, including obesity, that the vaccine is probably a reasonable choice for them. But it isn't and has never been a one size fits all solution. And besides, many people have natural immunity after already being infected. So, allow people to make their own choices.
Because if we head off the next variant, by getting almost everyone vaccinated, there may note be a next variant. We got lucky with Omicron. Next variant might be twice as deadly as the original strain.One huge concern with the mRNA vaccines and then a call for CONTINUED BOOSTING, is that at some point this attempt to fool your immune system runs the risk of conditioning your T cells to be lazy and then not good at responding to this virus after it will likely continue to mutate into other variants. Which is what we may be seeing now with omicron. But the bottom line is that we just don't know enough yet. So, why continue to force mandates on vaccinations until we do know more? Omicron is NOT killing people right now, so why not ease off on the call for endless boosters?
I'm not interested in batshit conspiracy theories.And lastly, why would any sane person automatically trust these big pharma companies which all have clear RECORDS of criminal judgments against them?
no. I point my finger at laugh at partisan hacks, refusing to get the recommended vaccine, and then blaming biden. It's moronic.You point your finger at others and call them fools.
yea. Science, data and facts can be pretty hypnotic lol.Well, from where I am sitting I marvel at the group hypnosis that people like you appear to under.
well, yea it kind of is. The science and data is quite clear.Not everything is black or white, either-or.
never stated otherwise. I'm simply calling out the partisan hackery of refusing to take the vaccine, then blaming biden.Allow people to make their own choices, and you are free to make yours.
strawmanIf getting boosted 10 times with the same juice appeals to you, then go for it.
Sure. If you drinking a Cherry Coke is going to drift over to me and cause me to die without ever actually having touched one of those nasty ****ers, then yes, I want the government making those decisions, since clearly you (collectively) are too selfish to worry about others, and you drink your sugary beverages without a care in the world of how it affects others.
Now let's get back to reality, k? Or do you want to post more memes?
They would have had a significant part of Americans refused to get vaccinated.
We would have had Omicorn.
But the ICU beds wouldn’t be full of the fools who refused to do so.
And people wouldn’t be passing it around like the flu, and then slowing everything down by not being able to work.
Thus the economic cost of the irresponsibility of the denialist minority.
I'm fine with people making their own choices. But don't come on here with a straight face and blame biden for trumpers choosing to not get vaccinated.
Because if we head off the next variant, by getting almost everyone vaccinated, there may note be a next variant. We got lucky with Omicron. Next variant might be twice as deadly as the original strain.
I'm not interested in batshit conspiracy theories.
no. I point my finger at laugh at partisan hacks, refusing to get the recommended vaccine, and then blaming biden. It's moronic.
yea. Science, data and facts can be pretty hypnotic lol.
well, yea it kind of is. The science and data is quite clear.
never stated otherwise. I'm simply calling out the partisan hackery of refusing to take the vaccine, then blaming biden.
strawman
For those who blame the unvaccinated for Omicron here is the realityAll this talk of variants. But no mention that variants can form in vaccinated people too.
We'll surely be seeing a "midterm elections" variant here really soon so we can howl over "mail in ballots that are completely safe and secure with no chances of fraud" because of this upcoming variant. And the fact that the democrat party failed in their attempt to federalize elections. That pretty much sealed the midterm elections variant as a certainty
Ray Charles can see that coming
LOL hold the press! Back when covid vaccines were being funded and sought under the Trump administration, it was many prominent democrats and liberal media people (including Kamalla Harris) saying that if a vaccine was being suggested by Trump, they would not take it. So, you wanna talk business, let's talk business. Lot of people who have chosen not to get vaccinated, or are hesitant at being vaccinated for all kinds of reasons are not just Trump supporters. The fact that hesitancy is strong in the African-American communtiy is an example of people who are clearly not all Trump supporters who are suspect of big pharma too--- and for good reason.I'm fine with people making their own choices. But don't come on here with a straight face and blame biden for trumpers choosing to not get vaccinated.
A pandamic doesn't end when just a few of the better funded and more developed nations all get vaccinated. If they really wanted to head off variant mutations, then after the first doses in the US, Western Europe, and developed Asian nations had occured, then all subsequent vaccine infastruture should have targeted providing doses to Africa, India, and other under developed nations. Because that is where the next mutations will be coming from.Because if we head off the next variant, by getting almost everyone vaccinated, there may note be a next variant. We got lucky with Omicron. Next variant might be twice as deadly as the original strain.
Do your own research and look into the criminal and civil judgement history of pfizer, moderna, and other big pharma companies. It is information available to see.I'm not interested in batshit conspiracy theories.
no. I point my finger at laugh at partisan hacks, refusing to get the recommended vaccine, and then blaming biden. It's moronic.
yea. Science, data and facts can be pretty hypnotic lol.
On mRNA vaccines? No, it isn't. If it was quite clear then we wouldn't be calling for endless boosters.well, yea it kind of is. The science and data is quite clear.
Why shouldn't anyone be free not to take the vaccine? The way I look at it is people like you REFUSING to accept the individual choices other people make for themselves. The only thing I a blaming BIden for, and what the SCOTUS agreed, was that he did not have the legal power to force vaccine mandates outside of very specific conditions as it applies to the Federal mandate.never stated otherwise. I'm simply calling out the partisan hackery of refusing to take the vaccine, then blaming biden.
In other words, you got the shot.
Now you want everyone else to get the shot because you think it makes your life more convenient?
Is that it?
ROFLMAO, there isn't a more selfish party than today's Democratic Party as it is all about control, mandates, and creating dependence. I fear federal selfishness over individual selfishness any day as we are talking about a 5.4 TRILLION dollar Federal gov't with a lo of control. How does allowing people to keep more of what they earn selfishness? It is selfish for the federal gov't to take control over these people, mandate specific actions, and create dependence that never ends. Have no idea where you got the idea that Republicans were selfish other than from liberal indoctrination and totally diversion from reality and the dataOr in other words, you didn't get the shot and couldn't give a **** about anybody else, because it makes your life more convenient.
That's it, really. **** 'errbody else. Ima do me. **** y'all.
That's why I left the Republican party. Couldn't deal with the selfishness, and the "me, me, me" attitudes.
so batshit conspiracy theories is your response to my post? lolAll this talk of variants. But no mention that variants can form in vaccinated people too.
We'll surely be seeing a "midterm elections" variant here really soon so we can howl over "mail in ballots that are completely safe and secure with no chances of fraud" because of this upcoming variant. And the fact that the democrat party failed in their attempt to federalize elections. That pretty much sealed the midterm elections variant as a certainty
Ray Charles can see that coming
so batshit conspiracy theories is your response to my post? lol
It doesn't matter how many times you trumpers parrot this lie. The overwhelming VAST majority of the unvaccinated are trump supporters or right wingers.LOL hold the press! Back when covid vaccines were being funded and sought under the Trump administration, it was many prominent democrats and liberal media people (including Kamalla Harris) saying that if a vaccine was being suggested by Trump, they would not take it. So, you wanna talk business, let's talk business. Lot of people who have chosen not to get vaccinated, or are hesitant at being vaccinated for all kinds of reasons are not just Trump supporters. The fact that hesitancy is strong in the African-American communtiy is an example of people who are clearly not all Trump supporters who are suspect of big pharma too--- and for good reason.
you can not in any way support this claimA pandamic doesn't end when just a few of the better funded and more developed nations all get vaccinated. If they really wanted to head off variant mutations, then after the first doses in the US, Western Europe, and developed Asian nations had occured, then all subsequent vaccine infastruture should have targeted providing doses to Africa, India, and other under developed nations. Because that is where the next mutations will be coming from.
So, more batshit crazy conspiracies. lolDo your own research and look into the criminal and civil judgement history of pfizer, moderna, and other big pharma companies. It is information available to see.
nope. It wasn't to appease political interests, it was done to try and get the ****ing moronic anti vaxx trumpers to get vaccinated. I don't agree with a govn't mandate by the way. The govn't has exactly zero authority to do so, other than for govn't employees.I have no issue with "recomended" and Biden originally said he would never be behind Federal mandates. However, like many of his currrent policies, he flip flopped quickly to appease POLITICAL interests and pressure, for example from the powerful teachers unions.
this isn't questioning authority. this is total science denial, and partisan hackery.I know that breaking through to some people with reason is difficult. But when did it become a problem to question authority?
when the entire medical community is telling you that you need to get vaccinated, because of the dozens and dozens of peer reviewed studies showing their efficacy, and the data showing that the majority of the current spike is among the unvaccinated, if you have more than 2 brain cells to rub together, you would get vaxxed.I thought that after the civil rights movment, and the anti Vietnam movement, that Americans had finally learned to take things with a grain of salt and question motivations and/or group think?
yes, it is.On mRNA vaccines? No, it isn't.
of course we would. lots of vaccines require boosters.If it was quite clear then we wouldn't be calling for endless boosters.
why are you asking me questions about a position I am not supporting?Why shouldn't anyone be free not to take the vaccine?
strawmanThe way I look at it is people like you REFUSING to accept the individual choices other people make for themselves.
I agree that is all you've done. You jumped in and quoted my post, which was a direct response to @Taylor blaming biden. I simply called out that laughably moronic bit of hypocrisy.The only thing I a blaming BIden for, and what the SCOTUS agreed, was that he did not have the legal power to force vaccine mandates outside of very specific conditions as it applies to the Federal mandate.
I have never stated anything to the contrary.In other words, states are free to make their own mandates, or not to make them unless congress gives the president more power in that regard.
Or in other words, you didn't get the shot and couldn't give a **** about anybody else, because it makes your life more convenient.
That's it, really. **** 'errbody else. Ima do me. **** y'all.
That's why I left the Republican party. Couldn't deal with the selfishness, and the "me, me, me" attitudes.
nobody claimed they would 100% be able to.The point is that these vaccine's can't stop mutation and variants.
you can in no way support this statement.So pretend like we wouldn't have variants if everyone was vaccinated. Because we would.
why would you care if there were more mail in voting? We know from literally every single investigation every done, mostly by republicans, that voter fraud is statistically zero. So why is mail in voting a problem for you? I'll answer it for you. More people voting means republicans lose.As to my theory on an upcoming election midterm "variant". I'd bet on it. Along with the same maniacal howls of "safe voting" "mail in ballots" and everything else.
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