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Should we give aid to texas after all their problems?

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So it seems that after blowing up part of texas nature (or god) came along and decided to help out by sending a bunch of tornadoes into the same area. When texas comes a beggin for financial help to fix up the area should we tell them to man up and fix the problem themselves, sort of like how they wanted to do to sandy victims? We are not a charity, and paying for things like this will just lead to a dependence on the federal government and an addiction to welfare according to some of the congressional opponents of Sandy relief from the great and strong state of texas. We would just be weakening the independence and strength of the texas people whos lives were destroyed by these events by helping them out in their time of need. They value their ability to pick themselves up by their bootstraps after a tragedy and to go on surviving and our liberal welfare state which comes in with federal aid for rebuilding and things like food, shelter, and other assistance will only destroy the don't mess with texas independence they value so much.

So should we take the advice of texans and just let them be in their time of need so they can learn how to survive after such huge tragedies, or should we be compassionate and give them a hand even after they were so selfish and tried to deny a hand to the northeast? Perhaps we should offer the assistance and let them decide whether or not is is something they wish for the federal government to provide for people of disasters. They could always man up and say no thank you to the offer of help and show the rest of us how real men handle natural disasters.
 
West is about 60-80 miles south of where the tornadoes hit...I wouldn't call it the "same area".
 
tererun said:
So it seems that after blowing up part of texas nature (or god) came along and decided to help out by sending a bunch of tornadoes into the same area. When texas comes a beggin for financial help to fix up the area should we tell them to man up and fix the problem themselves, sort of like how they wanted to do to sandy victims? We are not a charity, and paying for things like this will just lead to a dependence on the federal government and an addiction to welfare according to some of the congressional opponents of Sandy relief from the great and strong state of texas. We would just be weakening the independence and strength of the texas people whos lives were destroyed by these events by helping them out in their time of need. They value their ability to pick themselves up by their bootstraps after a tragedy and to go on surviving and our liberal welfare state which comes in with federal aid for rebuilding and things like food, shelter, and other assistance will only destroy the don't mess with texas independence they value so much.

So should we take the advice of texans and just let them be in their time of need so they can learn how to survive after such huge tragedies, or should we be compassionate and give them a hand even after they were so selfish and tried to deny a hand to the northeast? Perhaps we should offer the assistance and let them decide whether or not is is something they wish for the federal government to provide for people of disasters. They could always man up and say no thank you to the offer of help and show the rest of us how real men handle natural disasters.
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well first, compassion or political affiliation isn't a determining factor in disaster aid....but the good news is, you'd fit in well at the IRS with your ideas on how to govern ( political based profiling)

2nd, Congressional Texans had no problem with Sandy aid.... if one were to be honest, one would be able to clearly see they had a problem with the pork attached to sandy aid.


it seems your entire argument is built upon a strawman....it's , at best, dishonest.
 
tererun said:
So it seems that after blowing up part of texas nature (or god) came along and decided to help out by sending a bunch of tornadoes into the same area. When texas comes a beggin for financial help to fix up the area should we tell them to man up and fix the problem themselves, sort of like how they wanted to do to sandy victims? We are not a charity, and paying for things like this will just lead to a dependence on the federal government and an addiction to welfare according to some of the congressional opponents of Sandy relief from the great and strong state of texas. We would just be weakening the independence and strength of the texas people whos lives were destroyed by these events by helping them out in their time of need. They value their ability to pick themselves up by their bootstraps after a tragedy and to go on surviving and our liberal welfare state which comes in with federal aid for rebuilding and things like food, shelter, and other assistance will only destroy the don't mess with texas independence they value so much.

So should we take the advice of texans and just let them be in their time of need so they can learn how to survive after such huge tragedies, or should we be compassionate and give them a hand even after they were so selfish and tried to deny a hand to the northeast? Perhaps we should offer the assistance and let them decide whether or not is is something they wish for the federal government to provide for people of disasters. They could always man up and say no thank you to the offer of help and show the rest of us how real men handle natural disasters.
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Your OP is rife with misinformation. You should be working in the Obama administration. I only wish we ignored posters like you who are so blindly partisan. Where are your links to back up your entire premise that Texas didn't want to help other disaster victims? Got milk??
 
Should we give aid to texas after all their problems?
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yes, we should.
 
Is Texas a State in the Union? If they are, then yes we should help.

Hell, we give aid to other countries who hate our guts and would love to see us all dead, so why is this even a question?
 
Texan secessionist rhetoric may be obnoxious, but only a petty tyrant would ever try and use that as justification to withhold aid to those suffering from a natural disaster.
 
Normally I wouldn't reply to such an inane partisan post, but I do have a compromise. Allow Texans' Federal tax dollars to go only to Texas and we will take care of our own.
 
tererun said:
So it seems that after blowing up part of texas nature (or god) came along and decided to help out by sending a bunch of tornadoes into the same area. When texas comes a beggin for financial help to fix up the area should we tell them to man up and fix the problem themselves, sort of like how they wanted to do to sandy victims? We are not a charity, and paying for things like this will just lead to a dependence on the federal government and an addiction to welfare according to some of the congressional opponents of Sandy relief from the great and strong state of texas. We would just be weakening the independence and strength of the texas people whos lives were destroyed by these events by helping them out in their time of need. They value their ability to pick themselves up by their bootstraps after a tragedy and to go on surviving and our liberal welfare state which comes in with federal aid for rebuilding and things like food, shelter, and other assistance will only destroy the don't mess with texas independence they value so much.

So should we take the advice of texans and just let them be in their time of need so they can learn how to survive after such huge tragedies, or should we be compassionate and give them a hand even after they were so selfish and tried to deny a hand to the northeast? Perhaps we should offer the assistance and let them decide whether or not is is something they wish for the federal government to provide for people of disasters. They could always man up and say no thank you to the offer of help and show the rest of us how real men handle natural disasters.
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Without a doubt, I think they should receive aid. Now, if people want to remind them of their position on Sandy relief time and time again...
 
No, I don't believe the Federal government should be giving out disaster aid. It should stop doing so. There should not have been federal aid for Hurricane Sandy, and there should not be federal aid for West - the Constitution does not give the federal government authority to do this sort of thing, it should be up to each state to tax accordingly and prepare accordingly for this sort of thing. The feds only have to worry about disaster functions in specifically federal territory; D.C. for example, but they could and should tax the citizens of D.C. for that very purpose.

That said, that policy has not changed, and the money still goes out. Until that policy changes, it would be hypocritical and partisan and absurd for it to go to one situation and not the other.


By the way, saying that God or nature is deliberately hurting Texans is really, really classy, Mr. Rainbow Dash. If you actually believed in that kind of karma BS, you wouldn't act like that, for obvious reasons.
 
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tererun said:
So it seems that after blowing up part of texas nature (or god) came along and decided to help out by sending a bunch of tornadoes into the same area. When texas comes a beggin for financial help to fix up the area should we tell them to man up and fix the problem themselves, sort of like how they wanted to do to sandy victims? We are not a charity, and paying for things like this will just lead to a dependence on the federal government and an addiction to welfare according to some of the congressional opponents of Sandy relief from the great and strong state of texas. We would just be weakening the independence and strength of the texas people whos lives were destroyed by these events by helping them out in their time of need. They value their ability to pick themselves up by their bootstraps after a tragedy and to go on surviving and our liberal welfare state which comes in with federal aid for rebuilding and things like food, shelter, and other assistance will only destroy the don't mess with texas independence they value so much.

So should we take the advice of texans and just let them be in their time of need so they can learn how to survive after such huge tragedies, or should we be compassionate and give them a hand even after they were so selfish and tried to deny a hand to the northeast? Perhaps we should offer the assistance and let them decide whether or not is is something they wish for the federal government to provide for people of disasters. They could always man up and say no thank you to the offer of help and show the rest of us how real men handle natural disasters.
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Not one Texan has asked for your help, nor do they need it. Texas has a budget surplus, and a bustling economy.

The rest of the states suckle on the Texas power tit most of the time, then when we manage to handle our disasters by ourselves, you feel the need to interject yourself in as a savior?

I guess this thread was more about trying to prove a point and not about facts.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Not one Texan has asked for your help, nor do they need it. Texas has a budget surplus, and a bustling economy.

The rest of the states suckle on the Texas power tit most of the time, then when we manage to handle our disasters by ourselves, you feel the need to interject yourself in as a savior?

I guess this thread was more about trying to prove a point and not about facts.
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News Releases for Texas Severe Storms, Tornadoes, and Flooding (DR-1709) | FEMA.gov
 
sangha said:
For every $1 Tx sends to the Feds, it gets $0.85 back in benefits. Add in fed spending for military bases, etc and TX is a dependent of the federal govt

The red states are welfare states

Red States Are The Real Welfare States | Addicting Info
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Your link doesn't even mention Texas. Other than pointing out on the map that they unfortunately voted for McCain.

Texas has the 5th largest net donations to the federal government.
 
tererun said:
So it seems that after blowing up part of texas nature (or god) came along and decided to help out by sending a bunch of tornadoes into the same area. When texas comes a beggin for financial help to fix up the area should we tell them to man up and fix the problem themselves, sort of like how they wanted to do to sandy victims? We are not a charity, and paying for things like this will just lead to a dependence on the federal government and an addiction to welfare according to some of the congressional opponents of Sandy relief from the great and strong state of texas. We would just be weakening the independence and strength of the texas people whos lives were destroyed by these events by helping them out in their time of need. They value their ability to pick themselves up by their bootstraps after a tragedy and to go on surviving and our liberal welfare state which comes in with federal aid for rebuilding and things like food, shelter, and other assistance will only destroy the don't mess with texas independence they value so much.

So should we take the advice of texans and just let them be in their time of need so they can learn how to survive after such huge tragedies, or should we be compassionate and give them a hand even after they were so selfish and tried to deny a hand to the northeast? Perhaps we should offer the assistance and let them decide whether or not is is something they wish for the federal government to provide for people of disasters. They could always man up and say no thank you to the offer of help and show the rest of us how real men handle natural disasters.
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I'm sure many Texans would prefer not to be put in the position of having to take federal aid. Many of them voted against the federal government controlling such funds. But it's a democratic system of government we have, so when Texans lose the vote and laws are passed that provide for this aid Texans must obey the laws. Therefore Texans expect the laws to be administered fairly and without bias, as I'm sure the vast majority of people do. Texans are expected to abide by and help pay for Obamacare, Medicare, Food Stamps, FEMA and many other government agencies they might not like. As citizens of the United States of America fair and impartial administration of these agencies is their right.
 
MrSmith said:
Normally I wouldn't reply to such an inane partisan post, but I do have a compromise. Allow Texans' Federal tax dollars to go only to Texas and we will take care of our own.
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I agree- once their part of the national debt interest payment and other shared costs like national defense are withheld. But the problem with inane partisan posts such as yours is you never first look to see what the 'exchange' rate is and how much you already receive.

That said I do hope all the TP babble and bluster about letting the NorthEast fix itself is behind us and we remember it is a UNION of 50 states. From floods in The Dakotas, to hurricanes and tornadoes we should help each other and not turn our backs because we don't like the way they vote.
 
tererun said:
So it seems that after blowing up part of texas nature (or god) came along and decided to help out by sending a bunch of tornadoes into the same area. When texas comes a beggin for financial help to fix up the area should we tell them to man up and fix the problem themselves, sort of like how they wanted to do to sandy victims? We are not a charity, and paying for things like this will just lead to a dependence on the federal government and an addiction to welfare according to some of the congressional opponents of Sandy relief from the great and strong state of texas. We would just be weakening the independence and strength of the texas people whos lives were destroyed by these events by helping them out in their time of need. They value their ability to pick themselves up by their bootstraps after a tragedy and to go on surviving and our liberal welfare state which comes in with federal aid for rebuilding and things like food, shelter, and other assistance will only destroy the don't mess with texas independence they value so much.

So should we take the advice of texans and just let them be in their time of need so they can learn how to survive after such huge tragedies, or should we be compassionate and give them a hand even after they were so selfish and tried to deny a hand to the northeast? Perhaps we should offer the assistance and let them decide whether or not is is something they wish for the federal government to provide for people of disasters. They could always man up and say no thank you to the offer of help and show the rest of us how real men handle natural disasters.
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If they need it and ask for it - provide it.
If they don't need it or ask for it - no reason to provide it.

Seems simple enough.
 
MaggieD said:
Your OP is rife with misinformation. You should be working in the Obama administration. I only wish we ignored posters like you who are so blindly partisan. Where are your links to back up your entire premise that Texas didn't want to help other disaster victims? Got milk??
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31 Republican Senators voted against Sandy relief despite having previously requested federal aid for their state. For Texas specifically, it was Senator Cornyn, who requested aid for wildfires in Texas.

The most egregious of those were two Republican Senators who voted against Sandy relief and then requested aid for damages caused by Sandy.
 
I'd rather money was spent on disaster aid than on fruitless wars and golden gifts to dictators. American money hiring American worker to fix America. What's not to like.
 
Deuce said:
31 Republican Senators voted against Sandy relief despite having previously requested federal aid for their state. For Texas specifically, it was Senator Cornyn, who requested aid for wildfires in Texas.

The most egregious of those were two Republican Senators who voted against Sandy relief and then requested aid for damages caused by Sandy.
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Cornyn stated then and has stated since that it was the manner in which the bill was written that caused him to vote against it. Pure unadulterated aid is one thing. Aid wrapped up in a bill that would require an additional allotment of pork spending is quite another. Why is it that a bill for aid to Sandy victims couldn't stand on its own?
 
As Can'tor did with Blue state disasters, The Senate should do with Red state disasters. Accusing Sandy aid of being laden with pork shows how low the political discussion has gone. Money for Texas must come from Red congressional districts.
 
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