Should having a child require a course to complete on parenting and a psychological evaluation?

[EMNofSeattle]

"Leftists" are doing no such thing. Conservatives, on the other hand, are already working on laws to imprison or possibly even execute women who have abortions, though.

I am aware of no such legislation

 

[SMTA]

^^ this is typical gaslighting

Denying you said what you said, or at least the full logical extension of it

I denied nothing
You still can’t comprehend my initial post
Your constant slithering and weaving will not hide your inability to read simple English
It’s all in writing
Live with your shame

 

[SMTA]

I am aware of no such legislation

Your posts of childish denial of reality are hilarious

 

[Goshin]

Lots of luck enforcing that.

 

[Bodi]

I'm still not sure it would "end the cycle of poverty and crime." For example, not every parent will be able to detect if their child joins a gang, even if they are given pointers on how to detect it, and if the parents are poor ... this might not help children escape the poverty cycle. This is a big tool in the toolbox, but not the only one. What other tools would you like to throw in the proverbial toolbox while we're designing how to end the cycle? What might a course be accompanied with, etc.?

People living near or below the poverty line would be denied parenthood. That is one of the main goals, ending poverty.

 

[Bodi]

Lots of luck enforcing that.

Sterilize every person and once they qualify reverse it...

 

[Goshin]

Sterilize every person and once they qualify reverse it...

Because that would go over SO well in a free (ish) society, that is currently having a meltdown over the end of universal abortion rights.

 

[Bodi]

What would you do to parents (and their children) if they did not pass the class?

They would remain sterilized.

 

[Bodi]

First of all you're assuming poor parenting is the reason for criminality. Two children raised in the same household can very easily take different paths in life.

I don't care. The goals are to end criminal behavior AND poverty.

Not getting into a Godwin Debate with you about Hitler.

 

[Bodi]

Because that would go over SO well in a free (ish) society, that is currently having a meltdown over the end of universal abortion rights.

Denying abortion and denying fertilization are two different topics.

 

[Bodi]

If just one goes on to save millions upon millions of lives is it not worth it?

Do you not understand percentages? One could also come along and destroy millions of lives... so it is a wash.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Should having a child require a course to complete on parenting and a psychological evaluation?

Why or why not? People need to pass a course and test to get a drivers license and need a fishing license... of course, any inbred alcoholic criminal that murdered twelve people and raped a child that served their sentence and was freed but has an IQ 0f 50 can have a kid with their high school dropout girlfriend... great society. Loves life. Loves equality. Loves children.

Like everything else, child development training costs $. Low income families, or more likely stand alone moms can't afford child psychology.

So the pattern of mistakes is carried from generation to generation. Our societies have become more & more complex with a pandemic result in drug use, alcohol etc. Simply educating a mom who hasn't enough money for her child isn't going to change anything. And sterilizations? Can you say NAZI?

The BEST, the best we can do is ensure that woman has the resources to adequately raise a child. And that, that is a bureaucracy likely larger & to become even more corrupt than the Catholic church.

But that's what Americans worship. Every fifth word is "freedom" but here we are debating draconian measures to fix a problem which is economic, not social.

 

[Bodi]

That is the very important question which the OP refuses to answer. I have asked it multiple times and expect to get crickets again.

Don't lie. You asked me once last night after I turned off the computer for the night.

What would you do to parents (and their children) if they did not pass the class?

They would remain sterlilied...

 

[ttwtt78640]

They would remain sterilized.

Yep, that law should pass with no problem in New Zealand.

 

[Bodi]

I just is. No untested parent would pass. Parenthood is an OJT gig.
Who would put the curriculum together?

The class is just part of the argument... identifying criminals, low IQ, non-B Average students, etc is the real goal. Passing the class would be relatively easy... and it would not be anything not universal like, don't hit your kids. That should be pretty easy to understand and answer, right?

You, Disanti, the Duggers some other expert parent? It's stupid x 2.

No need for your personal insults... if you are that triggered that easily and can not post maturely then you can leave.

 

[Bodi]

Intelligent people can be bad parents too, one thing that normally follows is people who had bad parents tend to be bad parents.

Bad parenting is the hardest thing for a society to overcome, but it can be overcome. It does take a village to raise a child, with a little help from you and I.

I never said that the world would be perfect, but we can also start trying and this seems a pretty obvious place to start.

 

[Bodi]

Yep, that law should pass with no problem in New Zealand.

It could be taken to the United Nations as a Global Initiative. Think how much better off India and Africa and destitute shitholes like that would be!!

 

[Bodi]

The idea is impractical and unaffordable. More than anything, you can’t fix stupid. Half the nation has a below average tQ.

But only 2% or so are at 80 and below. It is not as impractical as one might imagine.

 

[Bodi]

Given the OP, you should not be surprised

SURPRISE!!!

I answered it! I win.

 

[Overitall]

Do you not understand percentages? One could also come along and destroy millions of lives... so it is a wash.

Sure, but there's been more examples of good as a result rather than bad.

 

[justabubba]

No, allowing the government to control who's allowed to have kids and who's not can only lead to bad things.

curious
what bad things could result from the government imposing criteria for eligibility to birth children?

 

[Overitall]

I don't care. The goals are to end criminal behavior AND poverty.

Not getting into a Godwin Debate with you about Hitler.

I know you don't care, but you started a thread asking for the opinions of others. It's a little late to complain about an opinion different than your own.

 

[Bodi]

Like everything else, child development training costs $. Low income families, or more likely stand alone moms can't afford child psychology.

So the pattern of mistakes is carried from generation to generation. Our societies have become more & more complex with a pandemic result in drug use, alcohol etc. Simply educating a mom who hasn't enough money for her child isn't going to change anything. And sterilizations? Can you say NAZI?

Fallacy of Genetics.

Logical fail.

The BEST, the best we can do is ensure that woman has the resources to adequately raise a child. And that, that is a bureaucracy likely larger & to become even more corrupt than the Catholic church.

But that's what Americans worship. Every fifth word is "freedom" but here we are debating draconian measures to fix a problem which is economic, not social.

 

[Goshin]

Denying abortion and denying fertilization are two different topics.

Forced sterility is authoritarian on a scale even blatant tyrannies have rarely contemplated.

But okay... let's say you convince Da Peeple to go along with it.

What are the standards? Who decides what the standards are? The tests and whatnot.

Who gets denied? Are any of these denials based on the parents' politics? No? What about Nazi, skinhead or KKK parents?

You see the slippery slope here.

 

[Goshin]

Also, when do they get sterilized? At birth? At the onset of puberty?

Do we even have enough data to say with assurance that such a thing won't affect the child's development or health?

Another thing... even laproscopic tubal ligation has a fatality rate of about 10-20 per million.