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Following PLO Chief Yasser Abed Rabbo's reported suggestion that the Palestinians would be willing to recognize Israel as a Jewish state in exchange for exact 1967 boundaries, various officials in Fatah have slammed Mr. Rabbo. In addition, some have called for his dismissal. In the meantime, Mr. Rabbo has retreated from his remarks.
What is revealing is that the criticism highlights exactly the point of contention. The Palestinians will not recognize Israel as a home for the Jewish people because such recognition would curtail their demand for a "right of return" of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to Israel, a development that would pose an existential threat to Israel. Interestingly enough, the Fatah officials were referring to the "occupation" that commenced in 1948 [a reference to Israel's re-establishment] not 1967. I highly doubt that the remark on refugees and references to 1948 are coincidental. Rather, I believe they may well highlight the mindset of the Palestinian leadership and it is a troubling perspective would rule out prospects for a two-state agreement.
From today's edition of The Jerusalem Post:
Jamal Muhaisen, member of the Fatah Central Committee, said that it was “impossible” for the Palestinians to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. “No Palestinians could ever accept such a demand, no matter where he is and what job he holds,” he said. “This recognition would scrap the right of return for the Palestinian refugees and endanger the status of the Palestinians living in the territories that were occupied in 1948.”
...“By saying he will recognize Israel as a Jewish state, Abed Rabbo has crossed all red lines,” he [Hassan Khraisheh, Deputy Speaker for the Palestinian Legislative Council] said. “These remarks harm the right of return and our people in the territories occupied in 1948.”
What exactly do you think would be so bad about Israel ceasing to be a Jewish state?
What exactly do you think would be so bad about Israel ceasing to be a Jewish state?
What hypocrisy coming from those who want a Palestinian state for Palestinians.
I could care less about a Palestinian state existing.
I am curious about why don thinks Israel no longer being a Jewish a state would be a serious tragedy. What does he think is going to happen?
What exactly do you think would be so bad about Israel ceasing to be a Jewish state?
So how much DO you care? Since you said you COULD care less, then by very definition you care.
Considering that Jews are the target of so much Arab persecution, I would think the answer would be obvious.
The question you should be asking is why people SHOULDN'T have any self determination, and why you would single out Jews as unworthy of such.
Perhaps each side needs to consider what is more important to the other. For Israeli's, having Palestinians recognizing Israel as a Jewish state and leaving them alone. For Palestinians, having a homeland they can call their own. These two desires are not in conflict with each other. I see no issue with either of these expectations. I'd be curious to know why one who is a Palestinian supporter would have any issue with this Israeli desire.
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What hypocrisy coming from those who want a Palestinian state for Palestinians.
The Palestinians have already recognized an Israeli state for Israelis to live in peace and security. Were the letters of mutal recognition not written clearly enough? Or is this recognition condition another way for Israel to stall the peace talks.
Can you post the Hamas information that indicates recognition. I haven't seen it and would like to.
I wasn't aware Hamas was the official representatives of the Palestinians, as established by the Oslo Accords. You know, that organization that is recognized by over 100 countries as the sole legitimate representatives of the Palestinians.
By your logic, I should ask you to see Shas' recognition of Palestine. Or the National Union, who reject the Oslo Accords.
I could care less about a Palestinian state existing. I am curious about why don thinks Israel no longer being a Jewish a state would be a serious tragedy. What does he think is going to happen?
Perhaps each side needs to consider what is more important to the other. For Israeli's, having Palestinians recognizing Israel as a Jewish state and leaving them alone. For Palestinians, having a homeland they can call their own. These two desires are not in conflict with each other. I see no issue with either of these expectations. I'd be curious to know why one who is a Palestinian supporter would have any issue with this Israeli desire.
Look at it this way
How would african americans, native americans view the US if it declared itself as a White Anglo Saxon Protestant state?
Why not just have Israel declare itself an Israeli state home for all Israelis
White is not a nation, American is, Jewish is.
Furthermore, the Jewish nation is native to its land, unlike the American nation.
Israel is the Israeli state (wow) and the Israeli state is a nation-state of the Jewish nation, the Jewish people, a Jewish state.
White ANGLO SAXON protestant Ie WASP
Israel is a state, with a population primarily made up of jewish people founded by jewish people, but it has a significant population who are not jewish, and by declaring it a Jewish state, does in effect make all non jews in Israel lesser citizens. This is not something a modern democratic state that is to respect the rights of all citizens within it should do.
Jewish is not a nation it is a religon/ethnicity, it is no more a nation then the Kurds, the Basques, the Moros of the Philipenes the Kashmir, or the hundreds of various ethnic groups in the world.
Wikipedia said:The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים "Yehudim" IPA: jɛhuːdiːm), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[6][7][8]
Israel is the state, Israel is no more native to the land in which it is founded then the Anglo Saxons were to england.
Just to clarify what seems to be a disagreement on semantics, .
Just to clarify what seems to be a disagreement on semantics, The Anglo Saxons are a nation, and the Jewish people are a nation. Nations are not always defined by geographical borders.
In the context of an ethnicity/religion/culture, nation is defined as "A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language"
A Jewish person who lives in New York is just as much a member of the Jewish nation as they would be if they were living in Tel Aviv. They would not be equally a member of the Jewish Nation-state, though.
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