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Oh, The GOP Sure Showed Obama...

NIMBY said:
chuckling and laughing out loud--good night
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I'm not sure such a thing perplexing you speaks well of you as an individual
 
LaMidRighter said:
ACA isn't even close to 50%, it's less than 30% as of the last polling. Problem is, people are finally starting to understand that the warnings were true.
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It's difficult to say what the real view of ACA would be if everyone wasn't trying to influence the public's views. How many millions of dollars have been spent this year on advertisements against ACA? Has any money been spent advertising for ACA? That's going to affect the public's view. Ultimately it's a short term thing though, when it looks like it can't be repealed those funding the advertising against it will probably find something more productive to spend the money on.
 
I don't expect this deal will be accepted. Only 6 weeks so we're back here again in December. It could be intended to make the default more painful right at Christmas time. It repeals the medical device tax. The medical device tax went into effect Jan 1, 2013. What happens with the tax that has been collected? The GOP proposal also requires stronger income verification to receive subsidies. Nothing wrong with that -- but how does that affect the exchanges that opened October 1? Do we have to take the exchanges down while we add in functionality to do the additional income verification? Do those who signed up have to sign up again? That would never fly.

The article mentions a concession to the president, "One such example is that Obamacare would receive funding." - Uh, it is already receiving funding? I don't see any concessions here other than the 6-week CR/debt ceiling increase. I don't really count not defaulting on our debt a concession, since supposedly both sides don't want to default.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Republicans are smarter when it comes to economics, Democrats are smarter politicians, it's like you have a complete brain between the entire lot of them and they are fighting for who gets to use it.
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This made my morning.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Then the court of public opinion decides who is holding the bad hand. Honestly, there is an unpopular law that people want gone, and the people refusing to talk were the ones refusing to negotiate on it, that kind of leverage is incredible, and like the wimps they are, the GOP pissed it away. That is why they are a dying party destined to fail, and unfortunately when they have to be replaced it's going to cost more than they can ever imagine.
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The republicans did the health care law a favor because the government shutdown actually overshadowed the problems in the activation of the exchanges
 
ChezC3 said:
I am completely flabbergasted. The GOP answer from the House is to give Obama everything he wants and if that's not enough GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTED? In exchange for a framework for future negotiations?

Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, go to hell, seriously, I mean it. I hope you all burn...

Jesus H.

We're doomed...
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Don't worry. They'll zap him next time. Or maybe they will all agree to spend more money for the taxpayer.
 
joG said:
If that is what we get, Obama can really street fight.
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running face first into a wall doesn't really speak to your opponents power punch
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
running face first into a wall doesn't really speak to your opponents power punch
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Street fight is not always a thing of punch power. Often it is subterfuge that gets the opponent to stumble into the wall. Or think bull in the arena.
 
joG said:
Street fight is not always a thing of punch power. Often it is subterfuge that gets the opponent to stumble into the wall. Or think bull in the arena.
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I think this was more a case incompetence.
 
joG said:
Don't worry. They'll zap him next time. Or maybe they will all agree to spend more money for the taxpayer.
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They'll fap him next time is more like it...
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I think this was more a case incompetence.
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You mean the stumbling? That started, when Obama sneaked Obamacare through in the first place.
 
vvx said:
I don't expect this deal will be accepted. Only 6 weeks so we're back here again in December. It could be intended to make the default more painful right at Christmas time. It repeals the medical device tax. The medical device tax went into effect Jan 1, 2013. What happens with the tax that has been collected? The GOP proposal also requires stronger income verification to receive subsidies. Nothing wrong with that -- but how does that affect the exchanges that opened October 1? Do we have to take the exchanges down while we add in functionality to do the additional income verification? Do those who signed up have to sign up again? That would never fly.

The article mentions a concession to the president, "One such example is that Obamacare would receive funding." - Uh, it is already receiving funding? I don't see any concessions here other than the 6-week CR/debt ceiling increase. I don't really count not defaulting on our debt a concession, since supposedly both sides don't want to default.
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Probably the most incisive post in the whole thread so far... the game is still being played...its like a football game and both sides are in their optimistic or depressed modes as the game goes into halftime...one side is up the other is down, one side is already counting their chickens declaring victory... the other side, fists and jaws clenched, teeth gnashing blasting their players for not scoring more points.

The fact of the matter is that in 6 weeks boObarecare will probably still be failing massively. With the results not currently known [ or at least our "most transparent" executive branch is not giving up those numbers]...they cannot hide this huge screw up forever....then, when real people have had to try to make the decisions required, everyone else seeing fully where their premiums are, checking the promises and seeing which are the mounting lies...

The fact of the matter is that the Republicans, who do not have the MSM at their back, will have proven beyond doubt to have bent over backwards to work towards avoiding fully shutting down the government, sent appropriate funding bills over, offered over and over again to negotiate while we all saw the boob and his minion, Reid, flatly reject to either negotiate or appropriate funding so people will get paid on time, so government for most will function as it should on a timely basis... and we will still have the fact that groups privileged by the president got exemptions, subsidies and delays, that it is not fair to the common person... and that the president and senate majority leader did not care one whit about all that...or the fact that they could have passed the appropriate funding bills...could have kept the fiscal threats to a minimum...but no, you had Sec. Lew fanning the flames...crying wolf like we have heard in the bailouts, the various stimuli, the sequester and the debt ceiling games...

This is a train wreck with more and more cars derailing, in ones and twos in the next month or so... then the Republicans can come back, the media will not be able to weave the false narrative so easily, where it waves its magic words wand and cure us all of this affliction we now have contracted as a nation, boObamacare [ or if they keep trying that, the public will ignore them even more than they are already beginning to ], which we, the real folks, have never ever really wanted, just the socialists among us, those Red folk pushing for this since before the end of the Second Industrial Revolution.
 
joG said:
You mean the stumbling? That started, when Obama sneaked Obamacare through in the first place.
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dude, you seem to have a very distorted view of his handling of the healthcare debate, and over looking things like his complete absence from it for the majority of time it was going on, rendering him incapable of doing things like addressing a fractured party or taking advantage of a super majority in the senate. Surely there are people that deserve credit for the legislation, but they were the various congressional leaders that were operating well above their pay grade and took some serious political damage over it, not the DNC golden boy who was more concerned about staying pristine when faced with adversity
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
dude, you seem to have a very distorted view of his handling of the healthcare debate, and over looking things like his complete absence from it for the majority of time it was going on, rendering him incapable of doing things like addressing a fractured party or taking advantage of a super majority in the senate. Surely there are people that deserve credit for the legislation, but they were the various congressional leaders that were operating well above their pay grade and took some serious political damage over it, not the DNC golden boy who was more concerned about staying pristine when faced with adversity
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yeah, I watched a lot of C-SPAN back when the debate was going on. You're right, the president stayed completely above the fray. In fact during his first two years in office, one could easily say that on the domestic and legislative side, Pelosi and Reid were running the country. The president deferred to them.

This shutdown and tying the defunding of the ACA to the CR is the best thing that ever happened to the ACA and the Democrats. Listening to my 24 hours news radio channel, they report prior to the shutdown those who opposed the ACA had an average of gap of 16-19 points over those who favored the law. But as of yesterday, that gap has narrowed to between 4-10 points. Talk about doing the ACA a huge big favor.
 
LaMidRighter said:
This is why I left the Republican party, no spine and even less convictions. Obama is a horrible negotiator and a worse White House occupant.
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The perfect response of why we will continue to elect more and more extremists. The punchline is you are helping to elect more democrats which not only don't get us closer to what you want but further away. Romney lost by 5 million votes and 9 million less Republicans voted for him in 2012 than voted for McCain in 2008, like the result???

As a lifelong democrat, although I think they have strayed comments like yours bring me back to why I am part of a party that is more of an open tent.
 
shrubnose said:
Correct.

This just shows that at least some of the old White men who rule the GOP have some grasp of reality.
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It only shows me who really is in charge of the Republicans. This all happened after the letter from their "Masters in Chief", the Koch Bros. decided that they were losing money and stood to lose ALOT more. The bros have brought the phrase "money talks" to a new level by buying an entire political party.
 
iguanaman said:
It only shows me who really is in charge of the Republicans. This all happened after the letter from their "Masters in Chief", the Koch Bros. decided that they were losing money and stood to lose ALOT more. The bros have brought the phrase "money talks" to a new level by buying an entire political party.
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as deaf as the GOP leadership is, I don't even think they needed someone to point out things were not going as planned
 
Perotista said:
yeah, I watched a lot of C-SPAN back when the debate was going on. You're right, the president stayed completely above the fray. In fact during his first two years in office, one could easily say that on the domestic and legislative side, Pelosi and Reid were running the country. The president deferred to them.

This shutdown and tying the defunding of the ACA to the CR is the best thing that ever happened to the ACA and the Democrats. Listening to my 24 hours news radio channel, they report prior to the shutdown those who opposed the ACA had an average of gap of 16-19 points over those who favored the law. But as of yesterday, that gap has narrowed to between 4-10 points. Talk about doing the ACA a huge big favor.
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but give the man credit, he was able to insert himself at the right time to take credit for their successes, while leaving them to sink when they failed. If anything, the guy can campaign and appeal to a crowd. Which is odd, when you consider his inability to push policy, like Bush or Clinton
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
but give the man credit, he was able to insert himself at the right time to take credit for their successes, while leaving them to sink when they failed. If anything, the guy can campaign and appeal to a crowd. Which is odd, when you consider his inability to push policy, like Bush or Clinton
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No it is not. From what I have seen of the president and this is only my opinion. He has basically been in the campaign mode since day one and not a governing mode. Remember it was Biden and McConnell who came to the agreements needed after the GOP took over the house. Obama just doesn't like to talk to Republicans or work the phones or to really use the bully pulpit and put political capital on the line to get things passed and done.

His main use of the bully pulpit for his first four years was everything was Bush the Seconds fault and now everything is the Republicans fault. That is what all his speeches consisted of, I don't listen to him anymore. If it weren't for the Republicans being their own worst enemy, worst than any Democrat, Obama would be on the ropes today.
 
ChezC3 said:
I am completely flabbergasted. The GOP answer from the House is to give Obama everything he wants and if that's not enough GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTED? In exchange for a framework for future negotiations?

Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, go to hell, seriously, I mean it. I hope you all burn...

Jesus H.

We're doomed...
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The same thing should be said for Cruz and Meadows.

Question: are these people extreme enough to ruin the USA and even affect the world economy in their headlong obsession to get rid of the ACA?
My relatives in the old country think these people should be arrested for treason and dealt with accordingly.
 
vvx said:
It's difficult to say what the real view of ACA would be if everyone wasn't trying to influence the public's views. How many millions of dollars have been spent this year on advertisements against ACA? Has any money been spent advertising for ACA? That's going to affect the public's view. Ultimately it's a short term thing though, when it looks like it can't be repealed those funding the advertising against it will probably find something more productive to spend the money on.
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Dude, people are seeing what it's about as it is becoming active. It's like someone being in the terminal stage of cancer and people trying to argue that someone should just accept it and love it.
 
washunut said:
The perfect response of why we will continue to elect more and more extremists. The punchline is you are helping to elect more democrats which not only don't get us closer to what you want but further away. Romney lost by 5 million votes and 9 million less Republicans voted for him in 2012 than voted for McCain in 2008, like the result???

As a lifelong democrat, although I think they have strayed comments like yours bring me back to why I am part of a party that is more of an open tent.
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Let me tell you something. Neither party represents this republic anymore, and neither deserves to exist further. Honestly, if you think me pointing it out is helping either party then I don't know what to tell you. Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Feinstein, and the most of the Democrat representatives are complete incompetents, they pass laws on things they have no knowledge of, overregulate, kill economies, and then tell you they did you a favor. Republicans tend to be people who have a better idea of how things work, but politically they are a bunch of Barney Fifes.
 
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