Ocasio-Cortez compares members of migrant caravan to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany

[Buzz62]

Yeah, it seems to be a real problem in the USA. Look at all the people who look up to a moron like Trump intellectually.

People actually believe the earth is flat, or that the earth is only 6000 years old. A whole country where 1/2 the people think they know more about science than the people who have devoted their lives to becoming experts in their fields. Then they accuse others of being stupid! I guess it's true, you really can't fix stupid.

No wonder China is kicking America's butt these days, guaranteed 1/2 the Chinese population doesn't think they know more about science than scientists.

In China...if one disputes the official line on anything...they get shot, or just disappear.
Got any other jewels of intellect for us?

 

[Renae]

Yet they are going through an established, legal process, so why are you opposed to them doing so?

I didn't' know storming our border and trying to enter illegally was the new legal process... who knew?

 

[Buzz62]

No, the migrants, soon to be illegal aliens, are fleeing gang violence. Most of them do not qualify for asylum.

And it's been offered to them...in Mexico.
It's my understanding that the international asylum laws state the asylum seeker must request asylum in the first available nation they encounter.
And as a conscientious nation, Mexico offered them all asylum.

AND THEY REFUSED...for the most part.

NEXT!

 

[JBG]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oc...-migrant-caravan-to-jews-fleeing-nazi-germany


This gal is so stupid, the people who look up to her or thinks she's smart make me shake my head.

This article in Tablet Magazine, The Gaza Delusion-The conflict isn’t between two nations, but between two irreconcilable worldviews, by Liel Leibovitz, highlights an issue common to the Mexican border "caravan", the Middle East dispute and the left-right arguments underlying both. At first blush the controversies have little in common. The U.S. appears to be taking a gut-wrenching and heartless position regarding the Guatemalan-Honduran "caravan" (not my view but a description of other views). The Gazans, organized by Hamas, appear to be either foot-soldiers in the ongoing Arab-Israeli conflict or people who just want to go "home." In both cases "right-wing" governments, i.e. Trump and Netanyahu, resist what is seen, by some, as simple humanity. The "left-wing" view is a sunnier attitude exemplified by the Mamas and Papas in Go Where You Wanna Go, Do What you Wanna Do. The liberal side of the argument believes in a "world without borders."

The Tablet article, The Gaza Delusion-The conflict isn’t between two nations, but between two irreconcilable worldviews, highlights the contrasting views:

If, like me and like most Israelis, you believe that humanity could hardly do better than to arrange itself by nation state, you shouldn’t have much difficulty understanding why a border is among the key emblems of national sovereignty, and why violating it brazenly and violently is going to be met with the harshest response imaginable. But what if you believe otherwise? What if you believe, like so many on the progressive left these days, that nation states aren’t efficient guardians of individual liberties and serviceable embodiments of our collective values but, rather, a remnant from bygone, benighted times? What if you believe that we are all global citizens now, and that our evolution will not reach its apogee until we shed the silly notion that Israelis and Palestinians—or, for that matter, Americans and Portuguese and Congolese and Laotians—are inherently different and focus instead on transcending our differences en route to an Isaiah-like end times of harmony and peace?

The latter isn’t so much of a pipe dream these days. Much power, after all, rests with multinational corporations that have made their mint by eradicating our traditional relationships with the two most formidable barriers facing mankind, space and time. Facebook, which lets you connect with anyone, anywhere, at any time, now has a market value of around $500 billion, more or less the gross domestic product of the entire nation of Sweden. If you grew up connecting primarily on digital platforms, if you know many people who see their costly education as a passport that allows them to pick up and work in different cities across the globe; if you have little use for the peculiarities of tradition and the constraints of location, why would a nation state strike you as anything but an anachronism?....Isn’t technology and the future all about breaking down barriers? So why are these meanies in uniform over there opening fire?

We must show compassion, and help where we can. However, I agree with the logic of the article, that we, in the West, cannot just let the "world" in.

 

[roughdraft274]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oc...-migrant-caravan-to-jews-fleeing-nazi-germany


This gal is so stupid, the people who look up to her or thinks she's smart make me shake my head.

What? Where did she say they are just like Jews fleeing nazi germany?

“Asking to be considered a refugee & applying for status isn’t a crime. It wasn’t for Jewish families fleeing Germany. It wasn’t for targeted families fleeing Rwanda. It wasn’t for communities fleeing war-torn Syria. And it isn’t for those fleeing violence in Central America,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted late Sunday.

She merely stated Jewish families also applied for status and to be considered a refugee and that it's not a crime. Where did she say that these things are exactly the same or where did she even say anything that is incorrect? Am I missing something? Or is this a "you're not allowed to bring up anything related to the Holocaust period!"?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

No, the migrants, soon to be illegal aliens, are fleeing gang violence. Most of them do not qualify for asylum.

No, they're fleeing both, and it's a perfectly legal act to request asylum.

 

[Tigerace117]

Or how like liberal icon and lionized leader like FDR rounded up Asians and put them in camps...

Yes, he did.....because conservatives were going into titantic fits of hysteria seeing Japanese agents under their beds.

And the funny thing is that some conservatives still defend the interment camps to this day.

 

[JustHanging]

She was making an appeal to emotion and showed her ignorance of history.

Which accurately describes a lot of your posts. So why is it not OK for her to do this, when you do it on a regular basis?

 

[Deuce]

Sorry I thought obvious stupid was obvious, I guess some people don't know history... I thought better of ya'll.

Are you saying she is wrong? Are you saying it was a crime for Jews to apply for asylum?

 

[Deuce]

Or how like liberal icon and lionized leader like FDR rounded up Asians and put them in camps...

You're not stupid enough to think liberals agree with putting people in camps, so you're saying this because....

 

[Deuce]

You don't have a right to be here, that's the thing. There is a PROCESS to enter the USA LEGALLY. And that's all WE'RE asking these and anyone else to do, is FOLLOW the LEGAL process.

And you, and others attack us as hateful, stupid, racist or whatever insults you can throw to avoid having to debate the reality that what you want requires ignoring our own laws.

No, you don't want them here at all.

 

[Samhain]

Are you saying she is wrong? Are you saying it was a crime for Jews to apply for asylum?

If anyone lies on documents, lies during proceedings, or makes frivolous asylum claims, they can be permanently barred from ever immigrating to the US.

However, I don't see in her statement who claimed applying for asylum was a crime, and that she was responding to them with a rebutal. Seemed like she made up the argument and responded to it.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I love how the right is attempting to brand this woman as stupid when, if you listen to her, she is anything but. Or how they paint her as some crazy socialist when the majority of Americans agree with her policies. Or how they talk about her shoes for more time than they cover actual politics.

Her detractors attack what she represents and the direction they think she and her like minded supporters want to take the country. It would be fun debating policies, but since this stuff often starts off with ad hominem attacks it's not worth the time.

 

[Renae]

Yes, he did.....because conservatives were going into titantic fits of hysteria seeing Japanese agents under their beds.

And the funny thing is that some conservatives still defend the interment camps to this day.

It's never liberals fault is it? Always those damn dirty conservatives. What a joke.

 

[Tigerace117]

It's never liberals fault is it? Always those damn dirty conservatives. What a joke.

In both those cases conservatives were directly responsible. You can whine about it all you want, but it doesn't change reality.

 

[Renae]

In both those cases conservatives were directly responsible. You can whine about it all you want, but it doesn't change reality.

Got it, if it's bad, CONSERVATIVES!!! It it's good it's Liberals! /smh

 

[Tigerace117]

Got it, if it's bad, CONSERVATIVES!!! It it's good it's Liberals! /smh

You said it bud, not me :lamo

Seeing as you were the one babbling about “obvious history” I provided you with some. Clearly you didn’t like it too much :lamo

 

[markjs]

It's never liberals fault is it? Always those damn dirty conservatives. What a joke.

No, it's science, you're just fearful lille folks.:shrug:

....Psychologists have found that conservatives are fundamentally more anxious than liberals, which may be why they typically desire stability, structure and clear answers even to complicated questions. “Conservatism, apparently, helps to protect people against some of the natural difficulties of living,” says social psychologist Paul Nail of the University of Central Arkansas. “The fact is we don't live in a completely safe world. Things can and do go wrong. But if I can impose this order on it by my worldview, I can keep my anxiety to a manageable level.”....

 

[Deuce]

If anyone lies on documents, lies during proceedings, or makes frivolous asylum claims, they can be permanently barred from ever immigrating to the US.

However, I don't see in her statement who claimed applying for asylum was a crime, and that she was responding to them with a rebutal. Seemed like she made up the argument and responded to it.

So the clear response is to... make up arguments for her and respond to those?

 

[Deuce]

Got it, if it's bad, CONSERVATIVES!!! It it's good it's Liberals! /smh

That's what you people say regularly about liberals, except unironically.

Time after time on these forums I see people say "well if it's making the liberals mad, it must be good!"

 

[JackA]

Can't defend her so you insult me. Typical.

You insulted her. Instead of explaining why her statement is stupid you said merely that she is stupid. Also, I did defend her. You quoted that post.

 

[maxparrish]

They're fleeing a murderous regimes, at least two of which have engaged in genocidal violence.

This apparently upsets you.

Like, bummer, man.

Your original response to the op author is more than unconvincing, its five-star nonsensical propaganda. They are not fleeing prior regimes and their genocidal violence that ended long ago. The civil war ended in 1996, as did the genocidal war against the maya. You can look up the current President of Guatemala, Jimmy Morales, and while I am sure you will find many typical Latin American faults of corruption to sneer and carp over, you won't find any reference to his participation in genocide today, or 20 years ago.

What they are "fleeing" is rather obvious: low wages, a high murder rate and crime rate, and few prospects for a better life. They are, like the other multi-billions in the under-developed world, seeking to escape their "****holes".

But only a fool would maintain that they are comparable to Jewish families fleeing Nazi Germany, or those fleeing the Rwandan genocide, or even those leaving warn-torn Syria. Its not a crime to ask for asylum by anybody, so the fact that OC felt compelled to morally equate the caravanners request to that of authentic victims of genocide and war violence is...well...utterly disingenuous (or just plain stupid).

The woman has fry-bread for brains - in that, Renae is 100 percent spot on.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Your original response to the op author is more than unconvincing, its five-star nonsensical propaganda. They are not fleeing prior regimes and their genocidal violence that ended long ago. The civil war ended in 1996, as did the genocidal war against the maya. You can look up the current President of Guatemala, Jimmy Morales, and while I am sure you will find many typical Latin American faults of corruption to sneer and carp over, you won't find any reference to his participation in genocide today, or 20 years ago.

What they are "fleeing" is rather obvious: low wages, a high murder rate and crime rate, and few prospects for a better life. They are, like the other multi-billions in the under-developed world, seeking to escape their "****holes".

But only a fool would maintain that they are comparable to Jewish families fleeing Nazi Germany, or those fleeing the Rwandan genocide, or even those leaving warn-torn Syria. Its not a crime to ask for asylum by anybody, so the fact that OC felt compelled to morally equate the caravanners request to that of authentic victims of genocide and war violence is...well...utterly disingenuous (or just plain stupid).

The woman has fry-bread for brains - in that, Renae is 100 percent spot on.

None of which is particularly relevant to what I stated since the Guatemalan and Honduran gov't are, by any measure, murderous, and I didn't claim that they are now engaging in active genocide.

That said, those of indigenous blood are particularly vulnerable to the violence either tolerated or initiated by the respective gov'ts.

https://theconversation.com/guatemalas-history-of-genocide-hurts-mayan-communities-to-this-day-97796

Renae is laughably, and rather pathetically, wrong. As usual.

 

[maxparrish]

None of which is particularly relevant to what I stated since the Guatemalan and Honduran gov't are, by any measure, murderous, and I didn't claim that they are now engaging in active genocide.

You don't think it relevant to your claim that they are "fleeing murderous regimes which engaged in genocidal violence" when the regimes and the genocide no longer exist? Perhaps you liked to also claim they are fleeing the murderous conquistadors and their genocidal violence as well - after all, they no longer exist either.

And "that said" whether or not the maya are more vulnerable to non-genocidal random violence is completely immaterial to Ms. OC's idiotic comparison to the genocide of Jews and Rwandans, or the war violence in Syria.

You drove into a swamp and are spinning your wheels to back out. I get it.

But it won't save your post, or change the validity of her criticism.

 

[JMR]

She was making a broader point about people seeking refuge from perceived oppression, the various causes of oppression being secondary.

Mocking her intelligence has become SOP for her critics. I suspect in an IQ contest between Alexandria and the OP the odds in her favor would be around ten to one.

Fox News and certain Trump supporters are fascinated with her every utterance. Unfortunately they are not quite up to understanding the meanings inside a complex thought.
Lock Her Up is so much easier!