No Parade for Troops Is Planned

[Thunder]

Post a link that proves they are disqualified. Thanks in advance.

no, my friend.

ITS YOUR CLAIM. provide evidence for your claim.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

5 years??? not for life?

than wtf are you attacking me for criticising Apdst's claim????

Apdst claimed the vets get lifetime free healthcare. I demand evidence. You attack me and provide evidence that he is in fact...wrong?

so why are you attacking me? what's the explenation for your failed attempt to provoke me?

your priorities in this thread are wack.

Again read the links. I wont waste my time with you.

 

[apdst]

If by repeating you mean the Iraq war was for nothing like the Vietnam war you are right And that's why no parade for Iraq vets either. The troops did the job asked by their Commander in Chief, that's all. I doubt many vets want recognition for something so wrong, they are just glad it's over.

"That's all"?

I can see it now. The Libbos want to forget the war and the troops right along with it.

How ****ing embarressing.

 

[apdst]

no, my friend.

ITS YOUR CLAIM. provide evidence for your claim.

I never claimed they don't qualify. YOU DID. Now, you can post a link supporting that claim, or--as usual--you can not.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I never claimed they don't qualify. YOU DID. Now, you can post a link supporting that claim, or--as usual--you can not.

that's his game, pay him not the attention he craves....


Some fun facts...

We gave the giants a parade down the canyon of heroes, why not these troops?

Private funding paid for the gulf war, I'm sure we can do the same here.

A parade is as much for the citizens, the families, etc as it is for the warfighters.


"support the troops, not the war", my liberal friends, now is the time to cash that check your mouth wrote.


We send our kids off to war, and some of you question the need to celebrate thier return? Shame on you.

 

[Thunder]

I never claimed they don't qualify. YOU DID. Now, you can post a link supporting that claim, or--as usual--you can not.

your claim: "they get free healthcare for life".

please provide evidence that all Iraq & Afghan War vets qualify for free healthcare for life.

thanks bro.

 

[Thunder]

Again read the links. I wont waste my time with you.

your posting history suggests otherwise.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

your claim: "they get free healthcare for life".

please provide evidence that all Iraq & Afghan War vets qualify for free healthcare for life.

thanks bro.

This is how you lie, bro.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

your posting history suggests otherwise.

indeed, later.

 

[Thunder]

They already have healthcare for life. I don't think they want to be, "given", a job, or a house. They're probably very willing to earn those things on their own.

This is how you lie, bro.

no Bro, this is how YOU lie.

Apdst clearly was saying they get free healthcare for life. why would he mention it if they have to pay for it?????

:lamo God man, just follow your own advice and don't pay any attention to me.

that's his game, pay him not the attention he craves.....

Again read the links. I wont waste my time with you.

 

[RoccoR]

Thunder, et al,

This is complicate.

your claim: "they get free healthcare for life".

please provide evidence that all Iraq & Afghan War vets qualify for free healthcare for life.

thanks bro.

(COMMENT)

I live in Columbus, Ohio. I am Retired Army with a Service Connected VA Disability Rating of 60%. At Wright-Patterson AFB Dayton, I was turned away. But I do get treatment at the local VAOPC in Columbus. So far, I have not been charge a single thing in over 20 years of retirement; and I have had some extensive hospitalizations.

Having said that, the VA always asks for my private insurance. I don't know the particulars, but I think there is some sort of billing arrangement between the VA and my private carrier. When I came back from the Persian Gulf, I was having serious issues and the VA fixed me right up, after 3 weeks in Mount Carmel East Medical Center. I did not receive any billing.

I don't exactly know how it all works. I just know what I have experienced.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Thrilla]

not a damn thing wrong with a welcome home parade... our boys are worth it.

it won't happen though... not on a national/federal level anyways.... those bastards in DC ( and their lackies across the lands) don't give 2 ****s about those boys, except as political pawns.

as it was with another protracted war of ours, the gov't will send them packin', with all the physical and mental problems they came home with, with not much in the way of a "thanks"...

 

[American]

I think even the Russians have parades for their troops.

 

[Wiggen]

Thunder, et al,

This is complicate.

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(COMMENT)

I live in Columbus, Ohio. I am Retired Army with a Service Connected VA Disability Rating of 60%. At Wright-Patterson AFB Dayton, I was turned away. But I do get treatment at the local VAOPC in Columbus. So far, I have not been charge a single thing in over 20 years of retirement; and I have had some extensive hospitalizations.

Having said that, the VA always asks for my private insurance. I don't know the particulars, but I think there is some sort of billing arrangement between the VA and my private carrier. When I came back from the Persian Gulf, I was having serious issues and the VA fixed me right up, after 3 weeks in Mount Carmel East Medical Center. I did not receive any billing.

I don't exactly know how it all works. I just know what I have experienced.

Most Respectfully,
R

Which is not the point under debate. Everybody knows that retired military get free health care for life. That wasn't the claim. The claim was that all veterans get free health care for life, which is patently non-sensical.

 

[Jango]

I have mixed feelings about there being no parade for our troops. I think under the right conditions, and under the right pretenses, a parade of sorts should be conducted, but only under those conditions.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

I think even the Russians have parades for their troops.

Yeah... after smiting Hitler sure... after Afghanistan? Doubtful.

Troops' sacrifice should be respected... but Iraq wasn't a legit war. :shrug:

 

[Oozlefinch]

Being home and being welcomed home are two different things.

That was the wrong answer too.

I would just be happy to be able to walk through my "home town" without having insults thrown at me (as well as the occasional projectile bodily fluid).

 

[MKULTRABOY]

I would just be happy to be able to walk through my "home town" without having insults thrown at me (as well as the occasional projectile bodily fluid).

Where is it that this has happened?

 

[Oozlefinch]

I live in Columbus, Ohio. I am Retired Army with a Service Connected VA Disability Rating of 60%. At Wright-Patterson AFB Dayton, I was turned away. But I do get treatment at the local VAOPC in Columbus. So far, I have not been charge a single thing in over 20 years of retirement; and I have had some extensive hospitalizations.

I have been having to go through the VA Medical System now off and on since 1993. And I have to admit, I think it is a big steaming pile of feeces.

To clarify what was probably actually intended, apdst is partially right.

Veterans discharged with a service connected dissability are legally entitled to lifetime treatment through the VA for the service connected dissability. And as the percentage of dissability increases, they are supposed to become eligable for greater medical care.

However, this is the fiction. I was discharged with a service connected dissability, and for the next 14 years I fought the VA repeatedly. And never got anything but a headache and runaround. It even took me 2 years and intervention from a Congressman to get them to give me a copy of my DD-214 and medical records so I could re-enter the military.

Do not trust or believe most of the crap you hear about the VA trying to help veterans. And if you want to see this in action, just check out the reports of the VA regularly denying claims on sleep apnea. I know this is not a problem I had before my deployment, but I had it when I returned. after 6 months I finally got it checked out, and got a CPAP machine to aleviate the problem (my apnea events were 35+ times a night, lasting up to 70 seconds, with a pulse-ox as low as 62%). Immediate issuance of a CPAP, and being informed that when I get out, the VA rates this at 50%.

That is nice, but I am going to the reserves. But I still have to turn in the CPAP next month, and have to wait months to get another one once I report to my new unit and get enrolled in Tricare Reserve Select. I thought trying to go through the VA might help prevent my having to do without the machine for months. Then I find out that the VA pretty much rejects all such claims.

So yes, theoretically if you get some kind of medical condition while in the military, you are supposed to get covered by the VA for that condition for life. In reality, it rarely works out that way. And this is one of the reasons I so strongly resist "Government Medicine". Having suffered through it for over 14 years, I would not wish any such fate onto anybody. But that is another issue.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Where is it that this has happened?

Los Angeles. 5 seperate incidents within a 3 hour period of time. All in the LAX area, August 2008.

1. Outside the Hughes Center, lady walks by and looks at me saying "F***ing Fascist"
2. Same location, 5 minutes later car drives by with 2 young men, once screams "F**** you, F*** the Army!"
3. Walking from the parking lot to the airport terminal, mid 30's man looks at me and states "F***ing Army, you should all f***ing die."
4. Inside the terminal, man purposefully steps in front of me and bumps into me. I politely say "Excuse me", he just looks me up and down and tries to spit on my boots.
5. As I finish clearing TSA, a lady very loudly yells out "Look at the proud soldier, going back to kill more babies!"

I pretty much ignored all of these, but it rather upset my wife and son who were there also. And considering that in 2 months I am going to report to my reserve unit in the Bay area, I expect to get much more crap like that (as my wife and I experienced it there back in 1990-1991).

There have been other minor incidents, but since I rarely wear my uniform outside of duty and travel, most do not realize I am military. And I have heard similar stories of other guys who have traveled to cities such as San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Denver, and Boston in uniform.

However, I shut that memory mostly out of my mind, and instead remember my arrival and departure at Dallas-Fort Worth Airport during my 2 weeks R&R 9 months later.

DOD Ending Military Flights Through DFW | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

Just remembering that brings tears to my eyes again (literally).

 

[MKULTRABOY]

Los Angeles. 5 seperate incidents within a 3 hour period of time. All in the LAX area, August 2008.

1. Outside the Hughes Center, lady walks by and looks at me saying "F***ing Fascist"
2. Same location, 5 minutes later car drives by with 2 young men, once screams "F**** you, F*** the Army!"
3. Walking from the parking lot to the airport terminal, mid 30's man looks at me and states "F***ing Army, you should all f***ing die."
4. Inside the terminal, man purposefully steps in front of me and bumps into me. I politely say "Excuse me", he just looks me up and down and tries to spit on my boots.
5. As I finish clearing TSA, a lady very loudly yells out "Look at the proud soldier, going back to kill more babies!"

I pretty much ignored all of these, but it rather upset my wife and son who were there also. And considering that in 2 months I am going to report to my reserve unit in the Bay area, I expect to get much more crap like that (as my wife and I experienced it there back in 1990-1991).

There have been other minor incidents, but since I rarely wear my uniform outside of duty and travel, most do not realize I am military. And I have heard similar stories of other guys who have traveled to cities such as San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Denver, and Boston in uniform.

However, I shut that memory mostly out of my mind, and instead remember my arrival and departure at Dallas-Fort Worth Airport during my 2 weeks R&R 9 months later.

DOD Ending Military Flights Through DFW | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

Just remembering that brings tears to my eyes again (literally).

Weird, Ive never seen anyone given any **** for being in uniform anywhere.
And for that many people to do that in one place.

 

[specklebang]

That is just absolutely heartbreaking. I remember these type of events from the Vietnam era but I had no idea that these alleged humans were conducting themselves this way in modern times.

It won't make up for this but:

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

Los Angeles. 5 seperate incidents within a 3 hour period of time. All in the LAX area, August 2008.

1. Outside the Hughes Center, lady walks by and looks at me saying "F***ing Fascist"
2. Same location, 5 minutes later car drives by with 2 young men, once screams "F**** you, F*** the Army!"
3. Walking from the parking lot to the airport terminal, mid 30's man looks at me and states "F***ing Army, you should all f***ing die."
4. Inside the terminal, man purposefully steps in front of me and bumps into me. I politely say "Excuse me", he just looks me up and down and tries to spit on my boots.
5. As I finish clearing TSA, a lady very loudly yells out "Look at the proud soldier, going back to kill more babies!"

I pretty much ignored all of these, but it rather upset my wife and son who were there also. And considering that in 2 months I am going to report to my reserve unit in the Bay area, I expect to get much more crap like that (as my wife and I experienced it there back in 1990-1991).

There have been other minor incidents, but since I rarely wear my uniform outside of duty and travel, most do not realize I am military. And I have heard similar stories of other guys who have traveled to cities such as San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Denver, and Boston in uniform.

However, I shut that memory mostly out of my mind, and instead remember my arrival and departure at Dallas-Fort Worth Airport during my 2 weeks R&R 9 months later.

DOD Ending Military Flights Through DFW | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

Just remembering that brings tears to my eyes again (literally).

 

[Oozlefinch]

Weird, Ive never seen anyone given any **** for being in uniform anywhere.
And for that many people to do that in one place.

I can't comment on that, since I do not know where you live, or how often you actually see people in uniform.

Back in 1991, I was going to physical therapy 2 times a week in Oakland (along with 4-6 other Marines and Sailors in uniform). We rode in a standard white Government van, and took the I-80 South from Vallejo to the Naval Hospital in Oakland (sometimes having to go to other bases in the area like Treasure Island, Alameda and The Presidio). On one of the trips, we were stopped on the freeway by one of the fabulous protests they frequently have in California.

Seeing the crowd walking towards us, I ordered everybody to get out of uniform as quickly as they could, and put on their t-shirts and sweats we all had for our therapy. One poor sailor did not have any, but thankfully by taking off his uniform top, he just looked like a guy in a white t-shirt and jeans. A few looked at the van because of the Government plates, but none looked at us very closely thankfully.

2 days later, the command ordered all future trips be made in civilian clothes for our safety. We also had protests daily for about 2 weeks outside of the base housing my family was living in. My wife had to travel a gauntlet (with MP escorts) along with other wives to take the kids to and from school every day.

I admit, these kind of experiences are unusual in my experiences. But the bad ones have always been in California.

 

[Oozlefinch]

That is just absolutely heartbreaking. I remember these type of events from the Vietnam era but I had no idea that these alleged humans were conducting themselves this way in modern times.

Thank you very much. Thankfully these are exceptions, and not the rule. And of the 5 or 6 other guys I know that live in California, none of them ever wear their uniforms back home if they can possibly avoid it.

I however tend to think very differently. In my travels to and from my reserve center, I plan on traveling in uniform as much as possible. Not as a way of "confrontation", but to more or less show people like this that they can't intimidate me, I am not ashamed of my service, and that while they act like animals, I will always behave with decency and respect.

I do not confront people like this, I pretty much ignore them. And to be honest, there were also people that were nearby when some of those incidents happened who more or less told the confronters to "STFU". When the gal yelled at me at the security checkpoint, 4 or 5 shouted their approval, but around 10 yelled back at her to shut up and other things.

 

[Sailor]

Of course it's not the Libbos. Our soldiers are useless to them, now.

And conservatives just make money off them....THEN toss them into homelessness yuphow about sating the truth that NIETHER party is giving a dAmn about us. At least OBAMA is spending more money on VA. Not near enough but more than Bush who used us up for their financial gain.