N. Korea vs. The Rest of the World

[Khayembii Communique]

To be fair you do have Lenin as your avatar. So it wouldn't surprise me if you found NK to be good.

That's an idiotic statement, which is my whole point. Saying "x country is good/bad/glorious/evil" is silly. So it doesn't really surprise me that it wouldn't surprise you.

 

[Gladiator]

That's an idiotic statement, which is my whole point. Saying "x country is good/bad/glorious/evil" is silly. So it doesn't really surprise me that it wouldn't surprise you.

Should North Korea be taken seriously?

Are they just being Bad, or are they the epitome of Evil?

The government seems to stay in power by keeping everyone scared of NK being Bad.

But I suggest that NK is not very Evil. They only commit enough Bad to keep everyone scared. I do not see NK as beyond Bad.




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[Khayembii Communique]

Lol @ "committing Bad".

The leaders of the DPRK are interested in maintaining power and in furthering their interests, just like the leaders of any state.

 

[DrunkenAsparagus]

Evil or not, the leaders of NK haven't exactly been good to their populace.

 

[Gladiator]

Evil or not, the leaders of NK haven't exactly been good to their populace.

North Korea has exceeded Japan and South Korea in keeping foreigners out of their country. Foreigners are Evil, binging decadence, in the eyes of North Koreans. North Koreans are less decadent than nations under Western occupation/influence, like Korea and Japan

Virtue may have its price, but Virtue is the Ultimate reward.

North Korea highly regards its military, and the people serving in the Military. It is the Military that has defeated the foreigners, keeping foreigners out of North Korea, preserving the virtues of all North Koreans, and avoiding Western Decadence.


"Since self-sufficiency remains an important pillar of North Korean ideology, self-sufficiency in food production is deemed a worthy goal. Another aim of government policies--to reduce the "gap" between urban and rural living standards--requires continued investment in the agricultural sector. Finally, as in most countries, changes in the supply or prices of foodstuffs probably are the most conspicuous and sensitive economic concerns for the average citizen. The stability of the country depends on steady, if not rapid, increases in the availability of food items at reasonable prices. In the early 1990s, there also were reports of severe food shortages."


http://www.country-studies.com/north-korea/agriculture.html



http://www.country-studies.com/north-korea/

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[kansaswhig]

Ok, they North Koreans have enemies on all sides of their border, and their army can't hope to defeat all of them, much less half of them.

Well, except the Chinese...who I would not exactly say is their "enemy".

The Russians and Chinese alone could beat the N. Koreans, and they have a very high readiness level. They would steam roll the North's in a moments notice.

Not sure about the Russians; their officer corps is basically rotting away and their enlisted ranks are filling up with Soviet-block era conscripts. Their equipment is in shambles. Yeah, they put on a little bit of a show against Georgia a while back, but it's Georgia...

The North Korean weapons are still outdated, regardless of the fact that they are upgraded T-62's. An Abrams, or T-90 could still steamroll right over them. The Russian air force is also rather formidable, so North Korea probably won't tyr anything, unless they are suicidal.

You gotta figure out the game, bro.

North Koreans are starving, so every once in a while they bark real loud and nations subisidize their hunger...namely the Chinese and us. The Chinese have a vested interest in keeping NK somewhat stable b/c they don't want all the refugees if something goes down.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

To be honest, SK's military alone will kill off NK's, but we should not feel comfortable about this and lay back. We should prepare for war, as preparing for war is the mean to keep peace....

 

[b.larset]

The problem is, NK has thousands of artillery barrels and multiple-rocket launchers targeted on Seoul. NK could inflict horrific death and destruction on the city just in the initial barrage. Seoul is a hostage to North Korean insanity. There is no way to circumvent this reality.

What about patriot Missle batterys and anti missle defense systems and first strike for those munitions?WE can only limit the damage as best we can - SEOUL will be the rise of the souths nationalist cries when it happens.

 

[b.larset]

washingtonpost.com
Lets see now what response from the Obamaites.Now that an ally has been agressively attacked and they have suffered a grievace loss.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Frankly, I'll sum up the situation in here.
There is something called the Aegis system which blocks missiles. I think they could also block nukes, and our country has tem. Anyway, the nukes may or may not prove to be a problem, because there are anti-missile systems in our country, but no one's sure if they can block a nuke
Also, our army is 0.5 million strong. Our reserve forces are outstanding, the second largest in the world. Our country's army is highly advanced with K-2 tanks which match the American Abrams, the K-9 self-propelled howitzers, and such. The Daewoo 11s are now expected to come out.
Our navy is modest at best. It's a small navy, and with North Korean submarines, we can be beaten if we don't work in defending against irregular forces, in which the North specialize in.
Our air force is acceptable. Although it is modern and advanced, it is small in numbers, yet the North has mostly obsolete models, so we can survive.

Overall, we would win. Note that I assumed that no other country will intervene, which is highly unlikely

 

[24107]

The United States should bring the troops home, It's a conflict between koreans. The only reason kim jung eel or whatever his name is threatens America, is because their troops are near his border. If they were not on his border, he would have no beef with the U.S., no need for unneccessary drama and loss of American life. For what?

 

[ludahai]

Frankly, I'll sum up the situation in here.
There is something called the Aegis system which blocks missiles. I think they could also block nukes, and our country has tem. Anyway, the nukes may or may not prove to be a problem, because there are anti-missile systems in our country, but no one's sure if they can block a nuke
Also, our army is 0.5 million strong. Our reserve forces are outstanding, the second largest in the world. Our country's army is highly advanced with K-2 tanks which match the American Abrams, the K-9 self-propelled howitzers, and such. The Daewoo 11s are now expected to come out.
Our navy is modest at best. It's a small navy, and with North Korean submarines, we can be beaten if we don't work in defending against irregular forces, in which the North specialize in.
Our air force is acceptable. Although it is modern and advanced, it is small in numbers, yet the North has mostly obsolete models, so we can survive.

Overall, we would win. Note that I assumed that no other country will intervene, which is highly unlikely

No system can block the numbers of missiles that the DPRK would presumably lob in the early stages of any conflict. Seoul would be in ruins and would likely be overrun by DPRK forces early on in any hypothetical conflict.

However, I would agree with you that (assuming no outside intervention) the South would win in a long term conflict. The DPRK has little ability to supply its troops with provisions and materiel for a prolonged conflict. They would inflict heavy damage early on, but then would fizzle out as they run out of supplies. South Korea's capacity to keep its troops supplied far exceeds that of the DPRK.

Having said that, anyone who things that the PRC and the USA would stay out of such a hypothetical conflict is absurdly naive as to what is going on in this part of the world. Japan may also become involved, if only in a naval and/or support capacity.

 

[ludahai]

The United States should bring the troops home, It's a conflict between koreans. The only reason kim jung eel or whatever his name is threatens America, is because their troops are near his border. If they were not on his border, he would have no beef with the U.S., no need for unneccessary drama and loss of American life. For what?

1. The U.S. has a treaty with South Korea. That treaty is part of the bedrock that has kept this part of the world stable for decades.
2. Kim would still keep those soldiers on the border and the threats would continue even without the very modest U.S. presence that is there now. That presence is merely an excuse for Kim. He would concoct another if the U.S. left. It is how he keeps his regime in tact.

 

[24107]

1. The U.S. has a treaty with South Korea. That treaty is part of the bedrock that has kept this part of the world stable for decades.
2. Kim would still keep those soldiers on the border and the threats would continue even without the very modest U.S. presence that is there now. That presence is merely an excuse for Kim. He would concoct another if the U.S. left. It is how he keeps his regime in tact.

I still don't see how a U.S. military presence there is beneficial to U.S. citizens. I'm not familar with how long this treaty is for? i'm guessing as long as their is a North Korea and South Korea conflict? if he concocts another excuse, it won't be the U.S. he threatens, as the conflict really is an internal one between koreans.

 

[the makeout hobo]

As I understand it, NK's goal has never been to win a war. It has been to make it so fighting NK is so expensive to whoever attacks them, that it won't be worth it. Think of it as a murder suicide.

 

[Red_Dave]

As I understand it, NK's goal has never been to win a war. It has been to make it so fighting NK is so expensive to whoever attacks them, that it won't be worth it. Think of it as a murder suicide.

Though what im surprised no one is thinking about is what we do after "winning". Presumably we would be left with the task of occupying a mountanous country where most of the people there hate us. Not something that we seam to be particually good at....

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

The Aegis system is enough to stop 8 missiles, which is the most NK can have right now.

Also, 24107's comments were really absurd. Sure, the NK doesn't directly threaten the US, but it does threaten us, and Japan, which if the US can't prevent, it will have a lot of bad publicity about not being able to defend democracy and all the rest of that trash

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

I find Red Dave's comments highly amusing, if not a bit ridiculous. Of course, there's nothing personal, mind you, it's just that I find your opinion in this topic a bit ludicrous.
The US won't occupy a unified Korea. Just because it occupied Iraq, doesn't mean it should/would occupy Korea. Simple. Why would it occupy Korea? South Korea is already a very advanced country.

 

[Gladiator]

South Korea fired some 200 shells from Howitizers some 4 hours before North Korea shelled Yeonpyeong Island.

Are the military exercises conducted by the US and South Koreans, carried out in a manner so as to be a provocation to the North Koreans?

The shells fired first from Yeonpyeong Island were supposedly fired in a Westward direction, away from North Korea.

http://www.dmzhawaii.org/?p=8052


Why did the Defense Minister of South Korea Resign?

South Korean defence minister resigns as response to North Korean shelling condemned | World news | The Guardian





This is the Breaking News Thread

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...86392-north-korea-reportedly-fires-south.html




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[youknowwho]

south korea would be very stupid to start a war with north korea. really, nk is just a wasteland. nk just needs to destroy samsung, hyundai and LG to inflict hundreds of times damage south korea can ever do to nk. nk has nothing to lose, that's not the case with sk.

 

[gunner]

Lol @ "committing Bad".

The leaders of the DPRK are interested in maintaining power and in furthering their interests, just like the leaders of any state.

I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. But, its too what lengths a government will go to stay in power than should concern us.

Paul

 

[gunner]

The United States should bring the troops home, It's a conflict between koreans. The only reason kim jung eel or whatever his name is threatens America, is because their troops are near his border. If they were not on his border, he would have no beef with the U.S., no need for unneccessary drama and loss of American life. For what?

Rightly or wrongly NK is one of the last remnants trapped in the ideological conflict that collapsed in 1989.

Paul

 

[American]

South Korea fired some 200 shells from Howitizers some 4 hours before North Korea shelled Yeonpyeong Island.

Are the military exercises conducted by the US and South Koreans, carried out in a manner so as to be a provocation to the North Koreans?

The shells fired first from Yeonpyeong Island were supposedly fired in a Westward direction, away from North Korea.

N.Korea fires artillery shells toward Yeonpyeong Island, killing two marines : DMZ Hawai'i / Aloha 'Aina


Why did the Defense Minister of South Korea Resign?
South Korean defence minister resigns as response to North Korean shelling condemned | World news | The Guardian





This is the Breaking News Thread

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...86392-north-korea-reportedly-fires-south.html




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Uh, I think the article tells you.

 

[Badfish420]

south korea would be very stupid to start a war with north korea. really, nk is just a wasteland. nk just needs to destroy samsung, hyundai and LG to inflict hundreds of times damage south korea can ever do to nk. nk has nothing to lose, that's not the case with sk.

North Korea is actually pretty advanced as well , midn you not like South korea, but enough for the statement "they have nothing to lose" to be slightly hyperbolic. and Since they along china are really the last standing communist countries, North Korea has the wait of communist dictatorship to look after. Even though it was proven in 89 that communist dictorship is a dismal failure, the ideology would really suffer a killing blow.

 

[EnigmaO01]

This country doesnt just have the potential of creating huge destruction in SK, but all over the world. Think about it. NK is a rogue state. For the right price, what would stop them giving WMD to terrorists who have beef with the US or Israel?

They already have and are on good terms with Iran. Imagine that.