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Men - What do you propose to do to effectively reduce the abortion rate?

here's a great way to reduce the abortion rate: make it a crime for men to have sex without a condom if they don't intend on being a father.
 
Graffias said:
Neither does the woman. It's her body. She's the one who has the ability to become pregnant as a result of sex, so she should be the one taking the precautions to avoid an unwanted pregnancy/abortion.
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In that case there should be no males speaking as to the legality, morality or ethics of abortion
 
bowerbird said:
In that case there should be no males speaking as to the legality, morality or ethics of abortion
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Including the males who wrote Roe-v-Wade, males who represent their women constituents in Congress, men who are pro-choice, and of course male abortion doctors.
 
Thunder said:
here's a great way to reduce the abortion rate: make it a crime for men to have sex without a condom if they don't intend on being a father.
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Why just men? Why can't it also then be a crime for women to have sex without contraceptive if they don't want to be a mother?
 
bowerbird said:
Given that 50% of the responsibility for conception relies on, shall we say, male input - how then do you propose to effectively reduce abortions? In particular I am interested in how you propose to reduce unwanted pregnancies in women.
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First and foremost, I plan to insure that my handy dandy, super duper, state of the art, double-clipped, quadruple-cauterized, alpha and thoroughly beta tested vasectomy remains in really good working order.

It's the least I can do.

Above and beyond the call of duty, I will continue to advocate funding for the approval effort of the latest and greatest in pregnancy prevention currently near the end of FDA testing, such as the pill/implant for women that hardens a released egg's shell to prevent penitration, reversable when the medicine is removed, and the pill/implant for men that lops off a sperm's tail so it can't go anywhere or through anything, again completely reversible when the medication is withdrawn .. that, and to make these products affordable to all rather than a part of big pharma's get-rich agenda.

Sure, I could advocate abstinence, but where's the fun in that?!

And how great it would be if only those having sex were open to having kids should it occur .. but that's not real life either.

Besides, what's the use of being technically advanced if we can't use it to our benefit?!
 
I'm not sure the abortion rate needs to be reduced.

I think the conception rate needs to be reduced.

Maybe with the latter would come the former.
 
Neomalthusian said:
I'm not sure the abortion rate needs to be reduced.

I think the conception rate needs to be reduced.

Maybe with the latter would come the former.
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Both need to be reduced.
 
bowerbird said:
Given that 50% of the responsibility for conception relies on, shall we say, male input - how then do you propose to effectively reduce abortions? In particular I am interested in how you propose to reduce unwanted pregnancies in women.
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As far as I know men have no power over abortions.

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hmm.. i think parents should stop being such sissies and actually talk to their children about sex ... and not just some simplistic birds and bees talk.

really talk.

I have 3 daughters and 2 sons.. and let me tell you something, there is nothing quite so uncomfortable than talking openly and honestly about sex with your children.
it's very uncomfortable when your daughter calls home from college to ask your opinion on anal sex, group sex, etc....( i have to overcome my desire to injure/maim whatever guy she is into , which is tough for a protective father)

but i'll tell you something else, it's incredibly rewarding to give them a straight answer and have them trust in your enough to ask you in the first place and to take your opinion into consideration.

when we talked about pregnancy and safe sex.. I told them the facts..
having unprotected vaginal sex can and does result in pregnancy... but there are viable alternatives and things you can do do mitigate or negate the chances of pregnancy happening
.. condoms, the pill, oral sex, abstinence, mutual masturbation, anal sex, strategically placed ejaculations (I dare you fathers to have a discussion with your daughter about the virtues of facials.. I f*ckin' dare you), etc, etc.

..with no pregnancy, there is no abortion.
 
Thrilla said:
hmm.. i think parents should stop being such sissies and actually talk to their children about sex ... and not just some simplistic birds and bees talk.

really talk.

I have 3 daughters and 2 sons.. and let me tell you something, there is nothing quite so uncomfortable than talking openly and honestly about sex with your children.
it's very uncomfortable when your daughter calls home from college to ask your opinion on anal sex, group sex, etc....( i have to overcome my desire to injure/maim whatever guy she is into , which is tough for a protective father)

but i'll tell you something else, it's incredibly rewarding to give them a straight answer and have them trust in your enough to ask you in the first place and to take your opinion into consideration.

when we talked about pregnancy and safe sex.. I told them the facts..
having unprotected vaginal sex can and does result in pregnancy... but there are viable alternatives and things you can do do mitigate or negate the chances of pregnancy happening
.. condoms, the pill, oral sex, abstinence, mutual masturbation, anal sex, strategically placed ejaculations (I dare you fathers to have a discussion with your daughter about the virtues of facials.. I f*ckin' dare you), etc, etc.

..with no pregnancy, there is no abortion.
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I would like to have been a fly on the wall for those conversations.
 
Ontologuy said:
Sure, I could advocate abstinence, but where's the fun in that?!
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well, there is the joy of having an actual healthy family structure, with two, mutually supporting, loving parents; as opposed to raising large numbers of children in disadvantaged conditions, where they are most likely to remain less cared for, less educated, less productive, less wealthy, less healthy, but more likely to perpetuate the cycle :(.


the house has fallen down, and we are arguing about how to rearrange the rubble. we should rebuild the house.
 
:) women of a certain age need lovin', too.



thought this might be of use here:

...In a caricature patriarchal society, men have all the earning power, determine the structure of both the household and other institutions, and treat women as little more than domestic and sexual servants, often engaging the “services” of more than one (the “temporary marriages” practiced in some Muslim countries come to mind). In a caricature matriarchal society, men are little more than studs. In both cases, one distinctive need of the weaker gender is met effectively — the patriarchs address women’s need for stability and physical protection, while the matriarchs satisfy male desire for commitment-free sex with multiple partners. But this comes at the expense of every other, loftier, need and desire, and distorts the humanity of both the stronger and the weaker sex...

Women cannot raise expectations for men by retiring into all-female “families.” They can do so only by refusing to provide commitment-free sex — by treating sex not as a perk of dating relationships whose destination vis-à-vis marriage is unknown, but as a shared marital reward.

This cannot be undertaken by any woman as an effort to break the male spirit and force commitment from men desperate for sex. It must be coupled with a genuine attempt to remember and value why it is that men — qua men — are valuable, not dispensable, not “replaceable by another man or their child’s mother” for either the child or the mother. Respect for the bodies of women, and for their desire for family and commitment, must be accompanied by respect for the dignity of men. This would encourage men not only to commit to women, but to raise their standards for themselves, reversing the very problem leading to the supposed need for female support networks.
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cpwill said:
:) women of a certain age need lovin', too.



thought this might be of use here:
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that quoted snipped makes no sense - it boils everything 'wrong' with patriarchal societies down to 'sex' . . . there's far more to what's going on (wrong) with those societies than the availability of sex.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
that quoted snipped makes no sense - it boils everything 'wrong' with patriarchal societies down to 'sex' . . . there's far more to what's going on (wrong) with those societies than the availability of sex.
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And it places the entire burden of fixing everything that is "wrong" with patriarchal societies upon women.
 
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