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Manafort team files response under seal to allegations that he lied to investigators

apdst said:
No, you showed partisan opinions from people who hate President Trump as much as you do and are just as willing to believe anything.

This thread is a perfect example:

"See? Collusion!!"

"Of course it isn't collusion! It's 'defrauding The United States'!"

"We know it's defrauding The United States, it's collusion".

And you people expect us to accept that you're smarter than everyone else? :lamo
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Diverse, coherent and fact based.... including the actual law of conspiracy from that Trump hating Department of Justice. Again, I let you know where I am coming from with other credible people that back up what I say. That is something that apparently you can not do. As far as we know you get all of your information out of your head, at best.

Sorry that you don't have command of the terms of collusion and conspiracy. If you collude to defraud the government by facilitating the involvement of a foreign government to influence the outcome of our election (whether they actually effect the outcome or not, but you take steps to help them) your collusion is a crime. The official charge would be "Conspiracy against the United States".

Rudi wants to tell people that collusion is not a crime. Technically that is correct, but practically it is misleading, as its intended to be. Sorry you were misled, you weren't that only one.
 
upsideguy said:
Diverse, coherent and fact based.... including the actual law of conspiracy from that Trump hating Department of Justice. Again, I let you know where I am coming from with other credible people that back up what I say. That is something that apparently you can not do. As far as we know you get all of your information out of your head, at best.

Sorry that you don't have command of the terms of collusion and conspiracy. If you collude to defraud the government by facilitating the involvement of a foreign government to influence the outcome of our election (whether they actually effect the outcome or not, but you take steps to help them) your collusion is a crime. The official charge would be "Conspiracy against the United States".

Rudi wants to tell people that collusion is not a crime. Technically that is correct, but practically it is misleading, as its intended to be. Sorry you were misled, you weren't that only one.
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Obviously, you don't either.

If you collude to defraud the government by facilitating the involvement of a foreign government to influence the outcome of our election...
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Like Clinton did?

...your collusion is a crime. The official charge would be "Conspiracy against the United States
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Oh, is that what it is now? :lamo

Sharing polling data STILL isn't a crime.
 
apdst said:
It's not a crime.

It's not a crime.

It's not a crime.

How many times do I have to say it?
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1. It is immoral and it proves that the Trump campaign did collude with the Russians (even if that in itself is not a crime, other things might be that are related to this issue).

2. it is not up to us to decide whether or not something is a crime

3. he is charged with lying about it and that is a crime when you have a plea deal in place
 
Peter King said:
1. It is immoral and it proves that the Trump campaign did collude with the Russians (even if that in itself is not a crime, other things might be that are related to this issue).

2. it is not up to us to decide whether or not something is a crime

3. he is charged with lying about it and that is a crime when you have a plea deal in place
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But, it still isn't a crime. :lamo

Look, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal.
 
brothern said:
Note how Manafort was caught for tax fraud in part due to his inability to convert a falsified document from Word to PDF.

Oh, Baby Boomers. The generational gift to America that keeps giving and giving and giving and giving ...
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Actually, it's being reported his attorneys made the mistake, not Manafort himself.
 
Atomic Kid said:
LOL! He is in federal prison. Which would be like a vacation resort compared to the kind of digs they have for prisoners in Russia.
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He has not had a trial. He was accused and jailed without the chance of rebuttal from the defense. He is there on a court order pushed by Mueller.
 
apdst said:
And all the while the Leftists ignore Clinton buying information from the Russian government; speaking of balls deep.
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It's cute to watch this propaganda bit evolve over time.
 
Deuce said:
Oh for ****s sake.
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The judge ordered him place in prison, and was placed in solitary "for his protection" per Muellers request.

So for **** sake yourself for not putting in the time to get the story.

BTW, Mueller is creating crimes as he goes and and so far has none on Trump. And if he has anything it's not important enough to put a rush on it as if the republic is at stake.
 
chuckiechan said:
The judge ordered him place in prison, and was placed in solitary "for his protection" per Muellers request.

So for **** sake yourself for not putting in the time to get the story.

BTW, Mueller is creating crimes as he goes and and so far has none on Trump. And if he has anything it's not important enough to put a rush on it as if the republic is at stake.
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Paul Manafort was found guilty after a trial, and pled guilty to avoid a second one that would have absolutely found him guilty.

The "solitary" is actually him being in a VIP wing without roommates. He's not in a ****in hole. He has a laptop and a phone.

He wasn't placed in solitary for "his own protection," he was placed in solitary for witness tampering.

How many facts of this case have you just ****ing invented!?
 
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Deuce said:
Paul Manafort was found guilty after a trial, and pled guilty to avoid a second one that would have absolutely found him guilty.

The "solitary" is actually him being in a VIP wing without roommates. He's not in a ****in hole.
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Found guilty of crimes that 1) the DOJ already knew about and passed on, and 2) have exactly nothing to do with President Trump.
 
Deuce said:
Paul Manafort was found guilty after a trial, and pled guilty to avoid a second one that would have absolutely found him guilty.

The "solitary" is actually him being in a VIP wing without roommates. He's not in a ****in hole. He has a laptop and a phone.

He wasn't placed in solitary for "his own protection," he was placed in solitary for witness tampering.

How many facts of this case have you just ****ing invented!?
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The tampering charges were not proven. They don't have to be. Mueller got the judge to jail him to disadvantage his defense. You can assume the judge got the word stop pushing back on Mueller's witch hunt. The judge has been quiet as a church mouse.

Cell phone and a lap top and prison internet. You don't think Mueller's boys would be listening, do you? Even Cohen's appointed "Special Master"* is accused of leaking to Mueller. I love how liberals rationalize someone they don't like rights being **** on, but if it's one of theirs, "Katy bar the door". Legally, Mueller is getting away with putting total pressure on a witness to force him to lie. There is no other reason for prison or solitary confinement. It could be handled at his home.


https://am870theanswer.com/content/all/paul-manafort-kept-in-solitary-confinement-23-hours-a-day

* he was appointed by the judge to determine what was attorney client and what wasn't.
 
apdst said:
Found guilty of crimes that 1) the DOJ already knew about and passed on, and 2) have exactly nothing to do with President Trump.
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As Phil Mudd once said in reference to the Trump Campaign, ya can't swing a bat without hitting a Russian
 
There is nothing to say that Manafort's attorney's did that accidentally.

Right now in the case against Leonid Teyf, American attorney's are attempting to use legal proceedings to extract information in the Mueller investigation and give it directly to Russia. There is evidence this is happening right now, based on willful actions by at least one American attorney in a similar case. Teyf of course got his fortune in kickbacks from helping the same guy who is indicted for the troll farm stuff (Putin's chef). So many ties.

Brazen.
 
apdst said:
Found guilty of crimes that 1) the DOJ already knew about and passed on, and 2) have exactly nothing to do with President Trump.
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I'm glad you and I agree "[Paul Manafort] has not had a trial" is a blatantly false claim to make.
 
apdst said:
But, it still isn't a crime. :lamo

Look, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal.
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just because you don't seem to have an issue with what to some degree is treason to the US and it's people, doesn't mean others do think it is a crime and if Mueller thinks crimes have been committed we will just have to wait and see what a court of law and a jury of peers says about it.

Also, lying to the FBI is a crime and really stupid if you are someone who had a plea deal.
 
apdst said:
Collusion isn't a crime, so whatever is known is most likely a nothingburger.

Sharing polling data? That's a nothingburger.
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Have you ever heard of a wish sandwich? A wish sandwich is the kind of a
sandwich where you have two slices of bread and you, hee hee hee, wish you
had some meat...

Bow, bow, bow.....

 
Moon said:
Actually, it's being reported his attorneys made the mistake, not Manafort himself.
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He must have had attorneys at law from the Rudy Giuliani. The best ambulance chasers in town, you know, blunder and co.
 
Moon said:
What’s so significant about sharing polling data?
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It's showing that the trump administration was conspiring with russia to target our public within our election.
 
apdst said:
Clinton definitely got assistance from the Russian government.

"But...but...that's differeeeeeeeeent!!!"
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No whataboutism will dig your hero out of this. Trump adminstration colluded/conspired with russia to effect our election. And you will side with russia guaranteed because that is more palatable to you than admitting being wrong. Because the truth is what the left have been telling you all along. Every post you make at this point is you eating crow right along side all the other trump traitors.
 
chuckiechan said:
He has not had a trial. He was accused and jailed without the chance of rebuttal from the defense. He is there on a court order pushed by Mueller.
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Do tell...he has not had a trial? He has been convicted of 8 counts. With potentially more pending his plea deal.
 
apdst said:
It's not a crime.

It's not a crime.

It's not a crime.

How many times do I have to say it?
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...enough times to build your little cocoon. Please, keep it up. Keep telling yourself that... you are making it your safe space. We can respect that, even if it isn't true.

May I point out to others that many (including me) have repeatedly told you (and documented with 3rd party support) that many of these things are indeed crimes. In fact, people around Trump have been charged and some plead guilty to some of these crimes. Crimes were committed.

... the only open question now is whether Trump, himself, is also guilty of some of these crimes or merely guilty of gross negligence in his hiring of so many criminals to direct his campaign and serve in his White House. We know Trump is guilty, we just haven't fully surveyed what he is guilty of....

apdst said:
Obviously, you don't either.



Like Clinton did?



Oh, is that what it is now? :lamo

Sharing polling data STILL isn't a crime.
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Not a crime by itself, but evidence of a crime.
 
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