Liberals again show their hate and dedain for our military..

[VanceMack]

Your profile does not show your military service.......I thank you for your service..............Why th **** are you arguing with me if your against cuts to the military? We agree................Of course government waste should be cut but not entitlements or benefits.............Different ball game.............

We've had this discussion before and I said then I will go into it...once. And I did and wont go into things again. No big deal...my choice. I served 20 years...several wars, spent 7 years from my family and have the scars to prove it. But I choose not to make my service an issue and topic for discussion with every thread. Joe and Jill Taxpayer that busts his or her ass, takes responsibility for their family, votes, those folks provide no less a service to the country than do the military. We all do our jobs in our own ways. Soldiers are wounded and die...so do cops and firemen. I dont downplay military service and i dont shortchange honorable civilian service.

In case you keep missing it...I dont believe services should be cut. I believe waste should be cut. There is so much administrative waste in the military and VA healthcare system it would blow your mind. The healthcare to service members is being impacted by the waste. At one time the rate of administrators to caregivers at Fort Lewis Army Hospital was 6 to 1. Can you get your mind around that? 6 administrators for every provider. Thats massively inefficient. Additionally they continue to redefine what qualifies someone as being combat related disabled and that is a lifetime commitment for things that are in no way service connected. Someone who's life was **** before they joined, couldnt hold down a job, had problems with drug and alcohol, then got called up to active duty and deployed, then returns to...shockingly...the same home environment does NOT necessarily suffer from PTSD. Inclusion of people like that in the VA system impacts those that truly need services.

The military budget can use a top down overhaul. We are soldier light and top heavy. We are too dependent on contractors. We make foolish decisions. We make bad contract arrangements with host nations that cost taxpayers ( oh yeah...ALL of us) hundreds of billions.

Calling for an intelligent reasoned and rational review of ALL government spending (including the CBO, Congress, the fed courts, investment in the arts, etc) does not equate to 'cutting the military' Navy.

 

[BWG]

I really don't give a **** what that said...............

I think that's what you said the last time I posted this info...LOL

I just know I was promised free health care for myself and my family

Has it ever occurred to you that someone lied to you and it wasn't a libruhl. Maybe you should have gotten it in writing, then you would have something that no other service member has.

...and you being a vet know that was the case unless you are to young..............

I was never promised free health care for life, but I was offered a bunch of cash, but decided to make my own, without the commitment...LOL

 

[Navy Pride]

I think that's what you said the last time I posted this info...LOL


Has it ever occurred to you that someone lied to you and it wasn't a libruhl. Maybe you should have gotten it in writing, then you would have something that no other service member has.


I was never promised free health care for life, but I was offered a bunch of cash, but decided to make my own, without the commitment...LOL

Well I was offered very little cash just the promise.......Your right about one thing we should have gotten it in writing...........

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

This is senseless. . . what are you doing?

Making note of why NP decided to re-enlist.

Everyone takes a job for their own personal reasons:

Yep, they sure do! Even me!

If being employed and doing a duty didn't fulfill a personal reason of some type then NO ONE WOULD WORK.

Not even a volunteer who doesn't get a pay check for duties performed does their duty without expecting some sort of personal-return.

So please don't use a fact of life in an argument when picking apart why someone would re-enlist.

I didn't actually pick apart why NP re-enlisted.

I made note of it.

Good gracious, why is everybody all excited?

 

[winston53660]

Well I was offered very little cash just the promise.......Your right about one thing we should have gotten it in writing...........

So you made a bad deal what the hell?

On another note I knew this guy that abused the VA system. The guy was drunk from 7 a.m. onwards and he would take every single drug in between. Smoking, X, acid, uppers downers, pot you name it he did it. He used the VA system for for a quadruple bypass heart surgery and just went back to the same old. He was in his 70's when he died and had the bypass operation.

On another note I know millionaire vets that use the VA to save a buck or two.

Both of the above I think are an abuse of the American tax payer.

 

[Boo Radley]

I can't read what is in someone elses mind but to cut the benefits of people who have earned them sure is hell is not showing love for them..........

Again, answer the question. Others hav shown that you may be misreading what will be cut, but if you will admit that you can cut the money to the arm services and not hate them, we can move forward. So answer me honestly here.

 

[FilmFestGuy]

Its very difficult to debate with a liberal because they love spending money on the poor and homeless as long as it is notheir money but the taxpayers.........

See, that's why your arguments fail so miserably. I'm a liberal. Not one day in my life have I received a single benefit from the government. And I have paid my taxes year in and year out. And you blindly paint me with a brush that says it's not my money. Well, sir, BS. It is my money. And I'm tired of it being spent on stupid ass wars in countries where we don't need to be. I'm tired of it being wasted in nations like Japan and Germany who can certainly defend themselves at this point without our troops being stationed there in large numbers.

I'm not anti-military. I'm anti-military waste. The military budget is chock full of budgetary waste - spending on weapons programs the Pentagon doesn't even want, stationing troops where they're not necessary, etc.

I say pay the soldiers a great salary and give them great benefits and help their families lift themselves up (by the way, as a son of military I got nothing to go to college). But stop paying for dated weapons systems, for stationing troops where they don't belong and for God's sake don't start wars where they are utterly unnecessary.

Now - tell me I hate the troops - despite the fact that I'm an offspring of one.

 

[LiberalAvenger]

Why do Liberaal hate our military...Why do they want to cut benefits earned from the men protecting us....Just another example:

TOM PHILPOTT | Debt Panel Told to Leave Military, Vet Benefits Alone » Kitsap Sun



Read more: TOM PHILPOTT | Debt Panel Told to Leave Military, Vet Benefits Alone » Kitsap Sun



Advocates for military retirees and veterans urged a bipartisan commission studying ways to end runaway budget deficits not to lump military-earned benefits in with other entitlements eyed for cost controls.

“There’s a fundamental difference between social insurance programs open to every American and military benefits earned by decades of service and sacrifice,” Steve Strobridge, director of government relations for the Military Officers Association of America, told the commission.

Carl Blake, legislative director for Paralyzed Veterans of America, conceded the country “faces a very harsh reality” of rapid federal spending growth that “appears unsustainable. And yet PVA is here today to emphasize why continued growth in federal spending for (veterans) is imperative.”



Not every witness was keen on maintaining the status quo for military retirees or veterans. Will Marshall, president of the Progressive Policy Institute, in his written statement said “no program should be exempted from new constraints of fiscal discipline, including defense.” He referred to Congressional Budget Office options that included higher “military health care premiums and deductibles” that would save $6 billion to $8 billion annually.

Well, my right wing friend, I am a liberal, a veteran, and I don't believe in cutting vet benefits, however, as a liberal, I do believe that we should pay as we go for them, instead of borrowing money from China to do so.

 

[Navy Pride]

Well, my right wing friend, I am a liberal, a veteran, and I don't believe in cutting vet benefits, however, as a liberal, I do believe that we should pay as we go for them, instead of borrowing money from China to do so.

Why don't you tell Hussein Obama that...He is spending us right into socialism and bankruptcy.

 

[Redress]

Why don't you tell Hussein Obama that...He is spending us right into socialism and bankruptcy.

And you are getting upset at him trying to reduce spending. Hypocrisy much?

 

[mac]

Somebody promised you something and didn't deliver? Are you kidding me? Well **** in a toilet and call it flowers, life isn't fair. The rest of us adults have learned that. About time you did too. Take it up with the people who made such a ridiculous promise they knew they couldn't keep. Not people living in the 21st century.

You mean like closing Gitmo and getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

[Navy Pride]

And you are getting upset at him trying to reduce spending. Hypocrisy much?

Reduce spending, is that a joke? He is spending this country into the poor house....You liberals can't see the forest for the trees.............

 

[LiberalAvenger]

Why don't you tell Hussein Obama that...He is spending us right into socialism and bankruptcy.

I told him not to be like Bush but he ignored me.

 

[Redress]

Reduce spending, is that a joke? He is spending this country into the poor house....You liberals can't see the forest for the trees.............

Spending is a normal method of the government trying to get out of a recession. Most of the spending was already locked in by Bush. You bitch about spending, you bitch about attempts to cut spending. I think we have a pattern here.

 

[Redress]

Something else for Navy to think about: http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-and-political-platforms/76808-liberals-help-veterans-get-help-they-need-ptsd.html

 

[Navy Pride]

Spending is a normal method of the government trying to get out of a recession. Most of the spending was already locked in by Bush. You bitch about spending, you bitch about attempts to cut spending. I think we have a pattern here.

Can you say a Universal Health Plan that by itself is not paid for and will bankrupt this country.........Oh and a plan that the American people don't want...............You boy is a Socialist and is trying to implement socialism............

 

[Redress]

Can you say a Universal Health Plan that by itself is not paid for and will bankrupt this country.........Oh and a plan that the American people don't want...............You boy is a Socialist and is trying to implement socialism............

You mean the one that at least made an attempt to pay for itself, and is, in it's current form, roughly deficit neutral for some time to come, unlike Bush's prescription drug plan that made zero attempt to pay for itself, and will cost more than Obama's for the foreseeable future? Now I wonder why you don't bitch about that...maybe because you benefit from it?

 

[Navy Pride]

You mean the one that at least made an attempt to pay for itself, and is, in it's current form, roughly deficit neutral for some time to come, unlike Bush's prescription drug plan that made zero attempt to pay for itself, and will cost more than Obama's for the foreseeable future? Now I wonder why you don't bitch about that...maybe because you benefit from it?

Bush's prescription drug plan is peanuts compared to Obama's social universal health care.........It does not even come in until 2014 and Obama is raiising taxes in 2011.......Medicare doctors are bailing out left and right and there will be 30,000,000 more people added.... Its insane..............Wake up and smell the roses before its to late.....This is beyond politics.........

 

[Redress]

Bush's prescription drug plan is peanuts compared to Obama's social universal health care.........It does not even come in until 2014 and Obama is raiising taxes in 2011.......Medicare doctors are bailing out left and right and there will be 30,000,000 more people added.... Its insane..............Wake up and smell the roses before its to late.....This is beyond politics.........

Apparently not, since you are playing politics with it.

 

[Navy Pride]

Apparently not, since you are playing politics with it.

I just want what polls say the American people want, it cancelled..we can't afford it.........

 

[Boo Radley]

Why don't you tell Hussein Obama that...He is spending us right into socialism and bankruptcy.

First you don't answer the question, and then you spew inaccuracies? Good call.

 

[Navy Pride]

First you don't answer the question, and then you spew inaccuracies? Good call.

Not every witness was keen on maintaining the status quo for military retirees or veterans. Will Marshall, president of the Progressive Policy Institute, in his written statement said “no program should be exempted from new constraints of fiscal discipline, including defense.” He referred to Congressional Budget Office options that included higher “military health care premiums and deductibles” that would save $6 billion to $8 billion annually.

 

[Boo Radley]

Not every witness was keen on maintaining the status quo for military retirees or veterans. Will Marshall, president of the Progressive Policy Institute, in his written statement said “no program should be exempted from new constraints of fiscal discipline, including defense.” He referred to Congressional Budget Office options that included higher “military health care premiums and deductibles” that would save $6 billion to $8 billion annually.

I repeat, you haven't answered the question and you spew inaccuracies. What I'm asking you to do is answer my question and be at least somewhat accurate.

 

[Navy Pride]

I repeat, you haven't answered the question and you spew inaccuracies. What I'm asking you to do is answer my question and be at least somewhat accurate.

Do you know what a Progressive Organization is?

 

[BWG]

He referred to Congressional Budget Office options that included higher “military health care premiums and deductibles” that would save $6 billion to $8 billion annually.

Just curious. Did the military promise you health care for a certain premium and/or deductible amount?

The company I retired from promised us health care coverage (until we reach Medicare age, then they'll dump us on the government, paying the premium), but my current premium and deductibles rise almost every year, right alongside everyone else.

Is the military retirement plan different? Should they be?