Jon Stewart is a bleeping moron.

[Agent Ferris]

- these figures are up to 10 years old, and before the blockade anyways
- these figures concern all the Palestinian territories, not just Gaza.

Infant mortality in Gaza is comparable to that of infant mortality in the West Bank:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...trip&countryCode=gz&regionCode=me&rank=109#gz

As is life expectancy:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...trip&countryCode=gz&regionCode=me&rank=110#gz

As is literacy:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/we.html

These figures are all from 2010.

 

[Agent Ferris]

I wont call you an idiot...but if your belly is full of sawdust you arent starving but you arent nourished either...

Sawdust doesn't have calories in it, so if you are eating nothing but sawdust you can not gain weight except for the weight of the actual sawdust ingested, or are you going to argue that the body can violate the first law of thermodynamics as well and produce more energy than it ingests?

 

[Boo Radley]

Yes you can have poor nutrition without starving but are college kids who eat nothing but fast food in the same category as starving kids in Africa? I don't think so. If you want to argue that nutrition in Palestine is bad that's one thing, but to argue that they are going hungry and are somehow deprived is cheapening the plight of people who are actually starving to death all over the world.

Kind of like what Charles Krauthammer was doing with his flippant comment.

 

[FilmFestGuy]

Today Jon Stewart took issue with Charles Krauthammer asserting that people in Gaza weren't starving and said something along the lines that Krauthammer has no heart, well guess what Stewart you ignorant little ****, not only are they not starving their men are the 8th most obese in the world and their women are the third most obese in the world.

http://vladtepesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/14-Obesity.jpg

Whoa, logic flaw time.

#1 - your statistics come from 1999-2003.

#2 - your statistics combine people from the West Bank (not blockaded) and Gaza (blockaded). So even if your statistics were current (which they're not), your conclusion would be very wrong.

Your argument, therefore, completely fails. So you, and Krauthammer are both completely wrong and Krauthammer's "they're not starving" thing does nothing to bring about peace. It's about as useful as Hammas propaganda in solving the conflict.

 

[rivrrat]

So what you're saying is that the human body does not obey the laws of thermodynamics. :roll:

Tell me how that works exactly, how the hell does the human body produce work without converting stored energy (calories) into heat energy and work energy? Your body produces work energy even when just lying down on the couch, it requires the burning of calories to pump your heart and press the buttons on your remote control so if you are intaking less calories than it requires to produce that work the body must burn the energy stored within fat and muscle to make up the difference and you will lose weight. That is the first law of thermodynamics, a system simply can not produce more energy than the energy that is introduced to the system.

Dude, you're really not reading very well. I'll try to go slower this time.

You ARE consuming more than you burn, that's how you gain the weight. Okay, do you understand this?

The reason you are consuming more you burn is because a hormonal imbalance has dropped your metabolism to nil. mmkay? You don't burn calories at the 'normal' levels. It doesn't take all that many calories to pump the heart.

I could go into even more detail regarding metabolic resistance, change in brain chemistry, etc. But I won't bother since it seems you are having difficulty with the basic concepts of slowed metabolism.

It is a violation of the laws of thermodynamics to gain fat and/or muscle without ingesting more calories than you burn.

Well gee, I guess it's a good thing that's not what I'm suggesting, then, huh?

Yes you can have poor nutrition without starving but are college kids who eat nothing but fast food in the same category as starving kids in Africa? I don't think so. If you want to argue that nutrition in Palestine is bad that's one thing, but to argue that they are going hungry and are somehow deprived is cheapening the plight of people who are actually starving to death all over the world.

I don't give a **** about 'cheapening plights'. All I'm saying is that one fricken 10 year old chart based on BMI (which is NOT a good indicator of anything) isn't enough information to make any valid assessment regarding the nutritional health of the people of Palestine.

 

[Agent Ferris]

Then Stewart's comment is spot on.

No actually it is not, Krauthammer's comment is spot on, Stewarts response is the exaggeration.

 

[bub]

Infant mortality in Gaza is comparable to that of infant mortality in the West Bank:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...trip&countryCode=gz&regionCode=me&rank=109#gz

As is life expectancy:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...trip&countryCode=gz&regionCode=me&rank=110#gz

As is literacy:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/we.html

These figures are all from 2010.

You can have malnutrition problems such as anemia without dying.

 

[Agent Ferris]

Dude, you're really not reading very well. I'll try to go slower this time.

You ARE consuming more than you burn, that's how you gain the weight. Okay, do you understand this?

The reason you are consuming more you burn is because a hormonal imbalance has dropped your metabolism to nil. mmkay? You don't burn calories at the 'normal' levels. It doesn't take all that many calories to pump the heart.

I could go into even more detail regarding metabolic resistance, change in brain chemistry, etc. But I won't bother since it seems you are having difficulty with the basic concepts of slowed metabolism.


Well gee, I guess it's a good thing that's not what I'm suggesting, then, huh?

Explain to me how you can gain weight without ingesting more calories than the body needs? If you are ingesting more calories than your body needs then how can you be going hungry it simply doesn't make sense.

I don't give a **** about 'cheapening plights'. All I'm saying is that one fricken 10 year old chart based on BMI (which is NOT a good indicator of anything) isn't enough information to make any valid assessment regarding the nutritional health of the people of Palestine.

I've produced that chart, the chart from the Save the Children Foundation, and statitistics from the CIA World Factbook according to which life expectancy and literacy are above average, and child mortality rate is below average.

 

[Agent Ferris]

You can have malnutrition problems such as anemia without dying.

Back to malnutrition, you can technically be suffering from malnourishment if you eat nothing but fast food but are college kids in the same boat as starving kids in Africa? I don't think so. If anything this demonstrates that the $7.7 billion in international aid that the Palestinians got between 2008 and 2010 was not managed wisely by Hamas and they need to use it to purchase more diversified food stuffs; such as, fortified peanut butter and various other cheap alternative sources of nutrients; such as, protein and calcium enriched soy based products.

 

[rivrrat]

Explain to me how you can gain weight without ingesting more calories than the body needs? If you are ingesting more calories than your body needs then how can you be going hungry it simply doesn't make sense.

Dear ****ing god, seriously? Your body only needs a couple hundred calories to perform bodily functions. But do tell me, do you really think someone consuming only a couple hundred calories isn't going to be hungry?

I've produced that chart, the chart from the Save the Children Foundation, and statitistics from the CIA World Factbook according to which life expectancy and literacy are above average, and child mortality rate is below average.

Dying and being hungry are two different things.

 

[bub]

they need to use it to purchase more diversified food stuffs; such as, fortified peanut butter and various other cheap alternative sources of nutrients; such as, protein and calcium enriched soy based products.

That's not easy when Israel bans most kinds of food.

BBC News - Details of Gaza blockade revealed in court case

Canned meat and tuna, but not canned fruit
Mineral water, but not fruit juice
Sesame paste (tahini) but not jam
Tea and coffee but not chocolate

BBC News - Details of Gaza blockade revealed in court case

 

[Agent Ferris]

That's not easy when Israel bans most kinds of food.

BBC News - Details of Gaza blockade revealed in court case



BBC News - Details of Gaza blockade revealed in court case

Your link provides a full list of things allowed:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/05_05_10_gazaimports.pdf

Not only are there all the staples necessary in that list to provide for the essential nutrients that the body needs but those are only the commercial products which are allowed in that does not have anything to do with the products provided in aid as is explicitly stated in the opening paragraph of the entire list.

 

[Agent Ferris]

Dear ****ing god, seriously? Your body only needs a couple hundred calories to perform bodily functions. But do tell me, do you really think someone consuming only a couple hundred calories isn't going to be hungry?

Your body requires much more than 200 calories just to continue functioning. To get a ruff estimate you first calculate your weight in kilograms by dividing your weight in pounds by 2.2, I weigh 155lbs so my weight in kilograms is 70.5 kilograms and now you multiply that by .9 which for me would be 63.45 which is your hourly burn, now multiply that number by 24 to come up with your BMR (Basic Metabolic Rate) which is the number of calories that your body needs just to continue functioning while at rest in a neutral temperate state mine is 1,522. 1,522 calories is enough for 3 decent sized well balanced meals at 450 calories each and 2-3 low calorie snacks in between meals; such as, two no fat yogurts and an apple, I want to lose weight so I try to stick to around a 1,500 calorie maximum and exercise daily. And the less you weigh the less calories your body needs to function.

 

[rivrrat]

Your body requires much more than 200 calories just to continue functioning.

No, it does not.

To get a ruff estimate you first calculate your weight in kilograms by dividing your weight in pounds by 2.2, I weigh 155lbs so my weight in kilograms is 70.5 kilograms and now you multiply that by 24 to come up with your BMR (Basic Metabolic Rate) which is the number of calories that your body needs just to continue functioning while at rest in a neutral temperate state mine is 1,689. 1,689 calories is enough for 3 decent sized well balanced meals at 500 calories each and 2-3 low calorie snacks in between meals; such as, two no fat yogurts and an apple.

Wrong. That assumes that one has a normal metabolism. Obviously you've missed the multiple times wherein I stated 'hormone imbalance' and 'low metabolism'.

I'll give you some time to go back and actually read my previous posts.

 

[VanceMack]

Sawdust doesn't have calories in it, so if you are eating nothing but sawdust you can not gain weight except for the weight of the actual sawdust ingested, or are you going to argue that the body can violate the first law of thermodynamics as well and produce more energy than it ingests?

Seriously dude...are you going to pick at this? If you cant understand the basic concept that white bread, noodles, white rice, sugars, all cheap and simple carbs cause obesity then we arent even communicating. For crying out loud...not everything has to be a ****ing fight. I didnt attack CK or defend Stewart...just pointed the basic fact (proved daily with poor people here in this country).

 

[Agent Ferris]

No, it does not.

Yes it does, your BMR is nothing more than the amount of calories that the body burns pumping your heart, keeping your lungs moving etc..

Wrong. That assumes that one has a normal metabolism. Obviously you've missed the multiple times wherein I stated 'hormone imbalance' and 'low metabolism'.

I'll give you some time to go back and actually read my previous posts.

So are you saying that a heart beating in a person with a slower metabolism somehow requires less energy to pump it than a person with a normal metabolism? Just how exactly are you asserting that the body is producing fat and muscle cells, where is the energy being diverted from because it has to be diverted from somewhere, because once again the first law of thermodynamics is that the increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings or in other words energy can neither be created or destroyed but only transformed.

 

[rivrrat]

Yes it does, your BMR is nothing more than the amount of calories that the body burns pumping your heart, keeping your lungs moving etc..

No, it doesn't. Because that's not what the BMR is.

So are you saying that a heart beating in a person with a slower metabolism somehow requires less energy to pump it than a person with a normal metabolism?

No, I'm saying you don't understand what a metabolic rate is, fundamentally.

According to those BMR calculations, I need to eat 2200 calories just to keep alive. Which is laughable. If I ate that much, I'd be putting on weight like crazy. Do you want to know why? Because my BMR is NOT what those calculations say it is.

So please, understand what a metabolism is and what it actually does before making silly claims that you can determine every person's BMR with a simple calculation. If that were the case, my doctor wouldn't require bloodwork to determine it. Obviously, everyone's metabolism is different and this is based on hormone levels, gender, age, and countless other factors.

 

[Agent Ferris]

Seriously dude...are you going to pick at this? If you cant understand the basic concept that white bread, noodles, white rice, sugars, all cheap and simple carbs cause obesity

Thank you Dr. Atkins and your pseudoscience which is creating a health epidemic in this country. Carbohydrates do not cause obesity, eating to many calories and not exercising enough causes obesity. Carrots are high in carbohydrates but are you honestly going to tell me that it's healthier to eat bacon which has 0 carbs than it is to eat carrots? Use your common sense.

then we arent even communicating. For crying out loud...not everything has to be a ****ing fight. I didnt attack CK or defend Stewart...just pointed the basic fact (proved daily with poor people here in this country).

First of all I don't give a damn about carb intake, what matters is caloric intake, I don't care if the calories come from bread, pasta, meat, or ****ing cheesecake, you can not gain weight without ingesting more calories than you burn. If you are not ingesting more calories than you burn you a) don't need those calories unless you increase your activity level, and b) can not gain weight.

The only difference between a calorie from a carbohydrate and the calorie from protein is that the body requires the burning of more calories to digest protein than it does a carbohydrate. Going on a low carb diet is not a good dietary plan, your body NEEDS carbohydrates.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Agent Ferris. Go live on the amount the average Palistinians live on at home, and report back to me how lovely it is... Otherwise stop this nonsense, honestly tell us you hate Muslims and the Palistinians and your posts will begin to make sense, but trying to shield your hatred behind non-existent facts is pretty sickening.

 

[Red_Dave]

The Gazan's may not be starving, but they do live in poverty and have a very hard and poor quality of life. However this is due to their leadership, not Israel "oppressing" them.

And nothing attal to do with a 300% rise in population as a result of the 1948 war, leading to an unsustainbly high population.

 

[Agent Ferris]

No, it doesn't. Because that's not what the BMR is.

Dr. Jackie Berning, Ph.D., R.D. disagrees:

"...BMR (basal metabolic rate, aka RMR, or resting metabolic rate), the number of calories your body burns simply to stay alive--to keep your heart beating, your lungs expanding, your liver functioning and so on..."

How many calories do you burn? I walk for 30 minutes every day. Is there an easy formula to figure how many total calories I'm burning? | Shape | Find Articles at BNET

No, I'm saying you don't understand what a metabolic rate is, fundamentally.

According to those BMR calculations, I need to eat 2200 calories just to keep alive. Which is laughable. If I ate that much, I'd be putting on weight like crazy. Do you want to know why? Because my BMR is NOT what those calculations say it is.

So please, understand what a metabolism is and what it actually does before making silly claims that you can determine every person's BMR with a simple calculation. If that were the case, my doctor wouldn't require bloodwork to determine it. Obviously, everyone's metabolism is different and this is based on hormone levels, gender, age, and countless other factors.

You can get a rough estimate using the equation I provided. The most accurate equation is the Cunningham Formula found here:

The Cunningham Equation -An accurate way to predict calories : Nutrition

But once again can you tell me where the energy is being diverted from to produce this muscle and fat tissue? Because it has to have been diverted from somewhere.

 

[rivrrat]

Dr. Jackie Berning, Ph.D., R.D. disagrees:

And my doctor disagrees with her.

You can get a rough estimate using the equation I provided. The most accurate equation is the Cunningham Formula found here:

The Cunningham Equation -An accurate way to predict calories : Nutrition

And that one is still incorrect for me.

But once again can you tell me where the energy is being diverted from to produce this muscle and fat tissue? Because it has to have been diverted from somewhere.

Hey, why don't you tell me? If all this is so solid, then why do people with hormonal imbalances gain weight eating the same amount of calories or less than they were prior to the hormonal imbalance when they were losing or maintaining weight? Having fought a thyroid hormone disorder for the last 22 years, I would LOVE to find out. I mean, apparently all the specialists and other docs I've gone to are just clueless! Using those calculations you've given, the weight should just be melting off of me for the last couple of months. AND, I should never have gained weight to begin with! I mean, we must all just defy the laws of physics, I tell ya.

 

[Agent Ferris]

Agent Ferris. Go live on the amount the average Palistinians live on at home, and report back to me how lovely it is... Otherwise stop this nonsense, honestly tell us you hate Muslims and the Palistinians and your posts will begin to make sense, but trying to shield your hatred behind non-existent facts is pretty sickening.

The Per Capita GDP PPP for Palestinians is $2,900, they recieve an additional $3.85 billion a year in foreign aid which comes out to around $1,200 per person per year, now add that to their GDP Per Capita that's $4,100 which is twice the amount of GDP Per Capita in Egypt and slightly more than the GDP Per Capita in Jordan. So they're doing better than their neighbors and doing far better than countries experiencing actual suffering and oppression especially considering the low cost of living there.

 

[apdst]

I saw that episode, and he did not say anything along the lines of he has no heart. He asserted that what Krauthammer said was the dumbest thing he has ever heard, and he's not wrong. And what evidence do you present to back up your claim? OBESITY Rates, that's what you have? That's it. ****ing hell dude, do you wanna go live in Gaza, I'll pay for you to go there, I can afford it, go live there dude.

Invasion Deepens Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza - ABC News

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Gaza's humanitarian crisis



Whether you agree with Israel, support them I do not give a flying crap.

Palestinians do NOT live in the lap of luxury.

They should spend more time produsing things and making a good life for themselves and less time trying to destroy Israel--which hasn't been going all that well for the Pals, BTW--and they just might realize a more comfortable life.

It could be worse, they could be roaming around the desert hiding from the Jordanian Army.

The sad part, is that the people who condemn Israel, don't even realize how bad the Arabs treated the Palestinians before the Israelis came.

 

[Boo Radley]

No actually it is not, Krauthammer's comment is spot on, Stewarts response is the exaggeration.

No, Stewart's quite right that Krauthammer's flippant, apologist, and mindlessly meaningless comment does point to a very dead soul. Sorry, but you have it wrong.