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Joe Biden is gonna be known for killed most americans in COVID-19

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Europe's a big place with lots of countries, and some of them did far better than we did, and few did worse. So you are taking a lot of liberties with "essentially the same boat." Furthermore, if very large and population dense Germany is the bar for a competently-run response, we sucked.

Does that sink in with you, or is your job to kiss Trump's ass on every subject, and if a liberal says it you have to disagree? Let me know.

And I've never claimed that the COVID deaths in the U.S. are "all" Trump's fault, but I'm not the one using a crap comparison to "Europe" to defend his sorry ass. If we did OK, roughly NONE of it was due to the care and concern of our King of super-spreader events and incompetent President.
Where are you going to focus all of your anger and hatred once Trump leaves office?
 

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OK, fine, I'll go with your standards that effectively say only 70,000 deaths or so are because of our inadequate response. Unless Germany is what a competent response looks like, then it's over 200k deaths. Sounds about right.
I acknowledged that Germany did a far better job early on than we did. They did a far better job than their European neighbors as well. Unfortunately they are being swamped by the second wave. So whatever competence or good fortune they may have had, is gone now. So even the most competent nation on Earth has lost over 42,000 lives and is losing about 900 more per day.
As for the rest of the major players in Europe, if that great socialist paradise of France were our size they would have 350,000 deaths right now; the UK would have over 400,000; Italy, 440,000; Spain 370,000; Belgium, over 550,000. But dont let facts interfere with your Trump hate. Its all his fault.
 

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When Joe Biden starts be President of United States of America
Every american that dies of COVID-19 is gonna be Joe Bidens responsibility
When this thread starts currently 389.000 americans died of COVID-19 and dems are blaming this on Donald Trump!
When Joe Biden is President and onwards, we are gonna keep counting all americans that dies of COVID-19 by Joe Biden!
Is Joe Biden is gonna be known for killed most americans in COVID-19?
I think Joe Biden will take responsibility
for all the COVID-19 American Deaths

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Like our worthlessly inept President Donald DumbAss???
is Putin inept? he seems to have gotten what he wanted when it comes to sowing chaos in the US. FFS, his efforts resulted an actual insurrection. i shudder to think what we're going to find out about intelligence leaks that we don't already know.
 

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When Joe Biden starts be President of United States of America

Every american that dies of COVID-19 is gonna be Joe Bidens responsibility

When this thread starts currently 389.000 americans died of COVID-19 and dems are blaming this on Donald Trump!

When Joe Biden is President and onwards, we are gonna keep counting all americans that dies of COVID-19 by Joe Biden!

Is Joe Biden is gonna be known for killed most americans in COVID-19?

There is a reason malignant narcissist scumbag POS grifter traitor supporters are considered idiots.
 

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Good of you to ignore Italy, the UK, Spain, Belgium and the others I mentioned. Perhaps you might get yourself a map so you know what countries actually comprise Europe.
The US has the 12th worst death rate in the world (if you count the city-states of San Marino, Liechtenstein and Gibraltar - each with a total population of a 35,000, as separate countries, as Worldometers does).

The US rate is 6x that of the world average. Only Belgium, Italy and the UK are Western European nations with a worse death rate than the US, much of that is due to each of them being densely populated and hit hard very early last spring (similar to NY, which has a high pandemic to date death rate, but not a particularly high current death rate, as they have this far more under control than most of the US). Unlike the US, all of the European countries brought this under control in the summer. They are experiencing their 2nd wave as the US has its 3rd wave (or are we still in the 1st wave since we never got it under control.)

 
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Noting a failure of leadership and/or appropriate action is NOT the same thing as "rooting" for it.
Biden has never been president, so what failure of leadership and/or appropriate action is there to be noted? Anticipating the end of the United States because Joe Biden was elected president is ridiculous.
 

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The sharpest decline in new Covid-19 cases and deaths should occur during the first 6 months of the Biden Presidency
 

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Biden has never been president, so what failure of leadership and/or appropriate action is there to be noted? Anticipating the end of the United States because Joe Biden was elected president is ridiculous.
You are correct, there has not been any "failure of leadership" during Mr. Biden's Presidency.

I was referring to Mr. Trump.
 

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The sharpest decline in new Covid-19 cases and deaths should occur during the first 6 months of the Biden Presidency
The sharpest decline in new COVID-19 cases and deaths should have occurred during the last six months of Mr. Trump's Presidency.

However, you do have to acknowledge that the members of "Claque Trump" are correct when they claim that "No American President has a better record of responding to a COVID-19 pandemic than President Trump has.".

(Please feel free to acknowledge that they are also being very stupid when the make such claims.)
 

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No, they're not.



No, we're not.

Many Americans were going to die from Covid. With even the best response it was going to be a disease that had a huge impact on people's lives. What Trump is being blamed for is the excess deaths due to his initial lies about the seriousness of the pandemic, his mismanagement of response and his disinterest in leadership to fighting it.

When was Trump's last Covid press conference? Anyone even remember? Biden has had several and he's not even President yet.
Stop making sense. It drives Trump supporters crazy.
 

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In other words, you arent sure yet. I feel sorry for your dog.
Trump lost. No reason to defend that incompetent any longer. I guess all that's left for you is if liberals say it, you must disagree.

Our response was terrible. We were led through it by a guy whose most public contribution to the response was to say "**** it" to the CDC guidelines and hold superspreader events so he could have his adoring crowds. If a few dozen or even hundreds got sick, and died, he didn't care, even a little - all that mattered is they came to see HIM in all his glory. There is ZERO chance, 0%, that in a decade we'll look back as the pandemic and Trump's role in it and conclude anything other than he was the worst possible person to lead us through it.

But you can believe what you want. There's little I care about these days less than what the MAGA crowd think of anything at all related to the pandemic.
 

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Of course not!

Anything bad will be blamed on the nearest conveniently blamable Republican. Anything good will accrue to the credit of the Democrat-Socialist being discussed.

So all of the deaths will be pinned on Trump. Not the Chinese. Not the death camp building governor of New York. Not international travel. Not the nature of contagion of viruses. Only Trump.

Everything good, including the vaccine developed in Operation WARP Speed will be credited to Biden. It's already happening. It's really pretty funny to listen to NBC. They're idiots.

Anything they tell us is true is mandated (womandated?) to be true. Do not adjust anything else. Simply believe. You no longer need to think. You only need to believe.

Pictured below is the soon to be approved vestments of the Democrat-Socialist leadership when speaking to the followers.

LOL, it's always projection with the MAGAs


For most of us Biden is just one man that we voted for in an election, a very imperfect choice, very flawed, but the better alternative. That's it.
 

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Trump lost. No reason to defend that incompetent any longer. I guess all that's left for you is if liberals say it, you must disagree.

Our response was terrible. We were led through it by a guy whose most public contribution to the response was to say "**** it" to the CDC guidelines and hold superspreader events so he could have his adoring crowds. If a few dozen or even hundreds got sick, and died, he didn't care, even a little - all that mattered is they came to see HIM in all his glory. There is ZERO chance, 0%, that in a decade we'll look back as the pandemic and Trump's role in it and conclude anything other than he was the worst possible person to lead us through it.

But you can believe what you want. There's little I care about these days less than what the MAGA crowd think of anything at all related to the pandemic.
That explains your ignoring post #102 that puts our loss of life to Covid in its proper context. But yes, Trump lost. Which means you are free to be the first leftist here at DP to drop the childish election propaganda and start looking at the facts. And the idea that I disagree with things simply because liberals say them is idiotic and probably more projection on your part than anything else. My positions on policy have not changed a bit over the last 4 years. Where I disagree with the left, I have always disagreed with the left.
 

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That explains your ignoring post #102 that puts our loss of life to Covid in its proper context. But yes, Trump lost. Which means you are free to be the first leftist here at DP to drop the childish election propaganda and start looking at the facts. And the idea that I disagree with things simply because liberals say them is idiotic and probably more projection on your part than anything else. My positions on policy have not changed a bit over the last 4 years. Where I disagree with the left, I have always disagreed with the left.
I ignored it because I'd already addressed your point. What's the proper context? What you showed are two or three in "Europe" who did worse, pointed out a few more who did better, by anywhere from 30k to 200k lives proportionately, then made an actually baseless argument that we did about as well as "Europe" as if that's a ringing endorsement of the Trump administration's response.

WE ARE ACTUALLY REALLY ABOUT AVERAGE!!! WE DID BETTER THAN TWO OR THREE COUNTRIES IN EUROPE!!!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!!
 

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I ignored it because I'd already addressed your point. What's the proper context? What you showed are two or three in "Europe" who did worse, pointed out a few more who did better, by anywhere from 30k to 200k lives proportionately, then made an actually baseless argument that we did about as well as "Europe" as if that's a ringing endorsement of the Trump administration's response.

WE ARE ACTUALLY REALLY ABOUT AVERAGE!!! WE DID BETTER THAN TWO OR THREE COUNTRIES IN EUROPE!!!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!!
I listed the major countries in Western Europe who are every bit as bad off as we are or worse. The problem you have is that you dont like facts interrupting your anti-Trump, anti-American rants. If you want, Ill add some Eastern European countries: Czech republic, 415,000; Slovenia, 503,000; Hungary, 373,000; Bulgaria, 390,000; Poland (who actually hasnt done that badly) 275,000. The US and the Europe ARE in essentially the exact same boat. Europes numbers are slightly better for two main reasons: 1) the Germans have handled this better than virtually any of their neighbors even though they are not doing well at the moment 2) Russia is posting low numbers that no one really believes.
And these numbers are from the NY Times. Go do the math yourself. Not that you will. You are too invested in the hackish anti-Trump propaganda youve been peddling for so long
 

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When Joe Biden starts be President of United States of America

Every american that dies of COVID-19 is gonna be Joe Bidens responsibility

When this thread starts currently 389.000 americans died of COVID-19 and dems are blaming this on Donald Trump!

When Joe Biden is President and onwards, we are gonna keep counting all americans that dies of COVID-19 by Joe Biden!

Is Joe Biden is gonna be known for killed most americans in COVID-19?

Only by those who ignore what Trump didn’t do in February 2020.
 

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Oh look, one more broken promise:

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The Bloomberg vaccination tracker shows about 31 million doses have been shipped to states; less than half have been reported shot into arms.
 
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Only by those who ignore what Trump didn’t do in February 2020.
Didn't do in February 2020, or in any of the months following. Just look at Biden's plan:

--Biden’s team members intend to use the Federal Emergency Management Agency to set up thousands of vaccination sites in gyms, sports stadiums and community centers, and to deploy mobile vaccination options to reach those who can’t travel or who live in remote places.
--They want to mobilize the National Guard to staff the effort and ensure that strapped states don’t have to bear the cost.
--They want to expand who can deliver the vaccine and call up retired medical personnel to aid the campaign. They want to launch a massive public education blitz, aimed at communities skeptical of the vaccine.
--They’re evaluating how to eke out more doses from the existing supply — there is, for instance, a particular vial that will get you six doses out of a given quantity of Pfizer’s vaccine rather than five, and they are looking at whether the Defense Production Act could accelerate production of that particular vial and other, similarly useful goods.
--Hire more than 100,000 public health workers for national contact tracing, local vaccine outreach and more.

All of these actions are obvious and should have been started months ago. Instead, they were ignored by the ignorant Trump admin that was focused on grift and denial and the next election.
 

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I listed the major countries in Western Europe who are every bit as bad off as we are or worse. The problem you have is that you dont like facts interrupting your anti-Trump, anti-American rants. If you want, Ill add some Eastern European countries: Czech republic, 415,000; Slovenia, 503,000; Hungary, 373,000; Bulgaria, 390,000; Poland (who actually hasnt done that badly) 275,000. The US and the Europe ARE in essentially the exact same boat. Europes numbers are slightly better for two main reasons: 1) the Germans have handled this better than virtually any of their neighbors even though they are not doing well at the moment 2) Russia is posting low numbers that no one really believes.
And these numbers are from the NY Times. Go do the math yourself. Not that you will. You are too invested in the hackish anti-Trump propaganda youve been peddling for so long
And you omitted several major countries in "Europe" who did better, like:
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine
Romania
Austria
Netherlands
Finland
Norway
Denmark
Ireland
Serbia
Greece
Etc......

That list like your list is not evidence that we are "in essentially the exact same boat" of a region with VAST differences in income, health facilities, population density, age of the population, and lots more. It's like some kid coming home with a bunch of Cs and saying, well, mom, you know lots of other kids got Cs so I'm in the "essentially exact same boat" as the average student in my school!! Can I haz a reward for my averageness!

It's fascinating in a way. With the most expensive and sophisticated healthcare system on the planet, the world's leaders in public health with the CDC, more wealth than any place on the planet, and except for the NE region hit hard by....travelers from Europe that seeded that region weeks before we saw spread throughout "real" America, weeks to prepare after seeing disasters unfold in a few countries in Europe, the best we can do with all those advantages is.....AVERAGE!!!! WAY TO GO US!!
 

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And you omitted several major countries in "Europe" who did better, like:
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine
Romania
Austria
Netherlands
Finland
Norway
Denmark
Ireland
Serbia
Greece
Etc......

That list like your list is not evidence that we are "in essentially the exact same boat" of a region with VAST differences in income, health facilities, population density, age of the population, and lots more. It's like some kid coming home with a bunch of Cs and saying, well, mom, you know lots of other kids got Cs so I'm in the "essentially exact same boat" as the average student in my school!! Can I haz a reward for my averageness!

It's fascinating in a way. With the most expensive and sophisticated healthcare system on the planet, the world's leaders in public health with the CDC, more wealth than any place on the planet, and except for the NE region hit hard by....travelers from Europe that seeded that region weeks before we saw spread throughout "real" America, weeks to prepare after seeing disasters unfold in a few countries in Europe, the best we can do with all those advantages is.....AVERAGE!!!! WAY TO GO US!!
Great. Sweden, 340,000; Switzerland, 306,000; Romania, 299,000. What you are doing is equivalent to arguing that Alaska is handling Covid better than New York, therefore Alaska has far better leadership. Thats silly. The two states arent comparable. The point, having flown over your head, isnt that there arent certain certain countries that have done better than us, but that the continent as a whole is in roughly the same boat we are in. That is undeniable, yet you deny it because it goes against the grain of your Trump hatred.
Further, Germany, for example, didnt hit 10,000 deaths until October 22. They will likely hit 50,000 later this week. 10,000 deaths in the first 7 months of the pandemic, which is amazing actually, 40,000 deaths in the last 3 months. Did the competent leadership suddenly become incompetent? Was it Trumps fault? Or did Germany just succumb to the reality that this is a pandemic that is going to run its course whether we like it or not.
 

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LOL, it's always projection with the MAGAs


For most of us Biden is just one man that we voted for in an election, a very imperfect choice, very flawed, but the better alternative. That's it.
I agree that Biden is imperfect. kind of like agreeing that water is wet. Very flawed? Again, obvious.

I wonder how long it will take to bet back to a 3.5% unemployment rate.
 
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