Tashah said:
The PA under Abbas is/was also corrupt, abeit to a lesser extent than it was under Arafat's 'stewardship'. Since the total withdrawal of Israeli forces and settlements from Gaza in August of 2005, the Abbas government has attempted meaningful peace negotions with Israel. In stark contrast, terrorist groups in Palestine such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad have lobbed mortars and Qassam rockets into Israel. They have also attempted every avenue to destabilize the Abbas administration. As I plainly stated in my post (perhaps you missed that part), the Palestinians have traded one corrupt regime for another corrupt regime. I daresay however, the applied cure here is substancially worse than the lingering ailment.
I didn't expound on my notions for peace. Are you prescient or simply taking an unrequited liberty to speak for me?
Or... it could be anything else that is negotiated.
If history serves me correctly, a UN Resolution created Israel for the explicit purpose of Jewish settlement. Terrorism has indeed been employed by both sides. Why play the blame game G-Man? Why not address the events of today and perhaps of tomorrow? Why not address the election of Hamas which is the topic of this thread? Doesn't suit your agenda?
Lol. I am not hounding the Palestinians. I simply stated a truism... the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. If you believe the election of the Hamas terrorist organization serves the Palestinian people, then that is your personal view. However, that view does not dovetail with the majority of analysis and opinion from around the globe.
I dearly wish for a solution that is agreeable to both sides. However, how does Israel negotiate with an entity birthed on a charter that is dedicated to Israel's destruction? Tell me.
1) Why shouldn't Hamas attemp to destablise (and now democratically overthrow) the Abbas administration?? You have already expressed the opinion that it was massively corrupt and considering the amount of time it had been in power without reaching a solution, the problem would appear to be beyond its abilities. With no change the status quo continues.
2) Explain how Hamas is corrupt please - sure their objectives are distressing but Islamic movements are not created for personal wealth/gain, unlike most political parties.
3) Apologies for making an assumption - please tell us your opinion on how peace will be achieved.
4) Yeah a UN Resolution created Israel - not to the borders that it has created for itself though (also didn't include Jerusalem) - the US doesn't help with this either because whilst it recognises Israel it refuses to state exactly what area Israel covers.
5) I'm not playing the name game - I seem to be the only person who acknowledges both sides have committed terrorist attacks and both are in the wrong - I've criticised the Israel's and Palestines for the present situation - every-one else is happy just to blame the palestines.
6) If you want to address the topic ok - we want to spread democracy in the middle east - Palestine has a free and fair election (according to all international advisors) - Hamsas wins. Accept it.
7) Missed oportunity? You criticise the present govt. and they vote in the only other choice they had. Exactly who were they to vote for?
8) I never said electing Hamas would serve the palestine people well so please don't put words in my mouth. We want democracy in the region, well we've got it. If the Palestines want to elect Hamas its up to them - not the US - to decide who will be in govt.
9) Yes negotiation is tough. As usual you only present 1 side to the situation so I'll state the other (even though I also agree with the problems presented by you regarding Israel) :-
a) How does any Palestine authority negotiate with an entity which has used military force to seize their terrority and refuses to give it up?
b) How can they negotiate with an entity who refuses to allow millions of refugees back into their homeland?
c) How can they negotiate the return of Jerusalem when Israel has said this is impossible?
Perhaps you can tell me how the above can be achieved?
The reality is that both sides want it all and neither will negotiate anything away. Thats why international bodies (UN, US or whatever) should just enforce the existing UN mandates, move Israel back to its proper borders and forcibly disarm the Palestine terrorist groups.