Getting the L out of LGBT

[calamity]

So you think everyone is as ignorant on the topic as you? And why did you entirely fail to address the point she made? And do you really think many lesbians want you speaking for them?

Because I felt like making my own comment to that post. Kind of like how I form my own opinion on this issue instead of just walking in lock step with the "in crowd."

 

[calamity]

Nothing but extremist bigots who hold no major sway within the LGBT community or movement. Best to just ignore these nutjobs.

More proof that the LGBT is mostly a men's rights org, IMO.

 

[Your Star]

More proof that the LGBT is mostly a men's rights org, IMO.

Dude, those are less than 300 assholes who don't know how to empathize and see the truth. Hardly representative of the LGBT movement and community.

 

[calamity]

Dude, those are less than 300 assholes who don't know how to empathize and see the truth. Hardly representative of the LGBT movement and community.

So, lesbians who do not agree with your agenda are assholes. Got it. No wonder they want out.

 

[Redress]

So, lesbians who do not agree with your agenda are assholes. Got it. No wonder they want out.

You are still missing the point, badly. You are trying to suggest a tiny fringe movement(that may be a hoax, or at least that is a claim made at the petition), is representative of something bigger. Then you are trying to add in your own messed up understanding and assigning it to them. That is one massive fail.

 

[roguenuke]

The more I read about trans women, the more I see that many of them are simply heterosexual men who, for some reason, are attracted to the idea of "being" a woman too. I can see why lesbians don't want any part of that.

A whole 300 lesbians don't want any part of it out of millions. That's not exactly a large percent trying to get out.

There are different types of people in every group. Not all gay men and women even wanted same sex marriage legal. Some even fought against it, likely more than those that signed this particular petition, and for various reasons.

 

[Gaztopian]

Hey look something that really isn't happening at all and is just a fringe group calling for this.

https://www.change.org/p/hrc-glaad-nclr-lambda-legal-the-advocate-huffpo-gay-voices-we-are-getting-the-l-out-of-the-lgbt

They have just 290 signatures in 7 months. That isn't exactly a large movement. There are millions of lesbians just in the US. It doesn't surprise anyone that some don't like transgender people. It is interesting though that those who generally don't care for one or either group would think this is some actual sign of some sort of division.

When I was aboard the ship was when my sister "came out" to us, her family. She sent us all an email. I was actually a little confused at the time being my naive self then, thinking that those who felt like they were trapped in the wrong body were also at least mostly also attracted to someone of the opposite sex as they identified. One of the girls I considered a friend (I didn't feel that way about all of the girls I worked with), was a lesbian who showed me a movie "Better Than Chocolate" (1999) when I talked to her about my sister coming out. It is a Canadian drama about lesbians, censorship and even a transgender woman who basically has a side story of her own in the movie. I now own this movie myself because it made me a little less naive about what some transgenders face (even if part of the plot line of a movie). Some of the lesbians in that movie called the transgender lesbian a "freak" and that she didn't belong in their restroom. It isn't something new, but it also isn't a sentiment held by a majority of lesbians either. In fact, I'm willing to bet there are gay men who will not date a transgender man and likely some who are also not accepting of transgender women. This isn't some universal "all in" thing. People are all different.

Damn rogue, I was about to like your reply for pointing out the desperation in the topic and its creator, but I then read the last paragraph and my mind turned to mush.

 

[calamity]

A whole 300 lesbians don't want any part of it out of millions. That's not exactly a large percent trying to get out.

There are different types of people in every group. Not all gay men and women even wanted same sex marriage legal. Some even fought against it, likely more than those that signed this particular petition, and for various reasons.

It's just beginning to get attention. Give it time.

Cisgender lesbians and trans women: How to mend the rift.

 

[roguenuke]

Damn rogue, I was about to like your reply for pointing out the desperation in the topic and its creator, but I then read the last paragraph and my mind turned to mush.

Just sharing some info about how not new this was and how it was recognized as being a sentiment some lesbians held even over 15 years ago. There are way too many stereotypes out there that so many want to assume apply to all of a certain group. Not all lesbians or even most are men are all evil types.

 

[Howler63]

The wife says this is all the rage in the Twittersphere. I'm not much into the tweeting world, so I look for it in Googleland. It seems to have begun about a year ago, and I guess it's picking up steam.

https://radfemrepost.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/petition-get-the-l-out-of-lgbt/



I can imagine that when lesbians are told that they are bigots for not accepting men with penises who claim to be women as lesbians that the end of the marriage between "L" and the "GBT" is bound to be the end result. Writing on the wall, if you ask me.

Aren't we about done with giving this particular 5% of the population a mega-phone? I mean, crippled Christ on a chrome crutch, they've got their "marriage", how about they shut up for a while?

 

[Howler63]

It's just beginning to get attention. Give it time.

Cisgender lesbians and trans women: How to mend the rift.

I swear to Allah, it's like they INVENT **** to be upset about. What kind of life is that? Always looking for your next outrage?

 

[roguenuke]

It's just beginning to get attention. Give it time.

Cisgender lesbians and trans women: How to mend the rift.

It's had 7 months and this is the second attempt since the first tried to get the T out of LGBT. As I've said, this sentiment really isn't that widespread as some are trying to make it out to be and it isn't even new. Sure it is out there, but so are a lot of other feelings that most would say might divide or hurt the LGBT movement if they were more widespread than they are.

Oh and that article even calls them a "small", "radical feminist lesbians" group, and calls them obnoxious. Even that article recognizes they are a vocal, but small group and not likely to actually divide the movement. Hurt relations a little if there is no mending between those with misunderstanding of the larger groups, but this is basically true format group of people who have some fears of the other.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

There are issues with piling so many different groups under one umbrella as though all their interests are aligned. Though I guess that is the problem with labels in general.

 

[calamity]

Aren't we about done with giving this particular 5% of the population a mega-phone? I mean, crippled Christ on a chrome crutch, they've got their "marriage", how about they shut up for a while?

Does a 5 year old shut up for long just because you gave him the ice cream he screamed for all night? Usually the way to get them to shut up is slapping them across the chops.

 

[calamity]

There are issues with piling so many different groups under one umbrella as though all their interests are aligned. Though I guess that is the problem with labels in general.

Feminists are running into that too. This third wave nonsense which decided to pull every disadvantaged group known to woman into their tent is bursting at the seams. After all, what exactly do feminists and trans women who still have their dicks have in common?

 

[Howler63]

Does a 5 year old shut up for long just because you gave him the ice cream he screamed for all night? Usually the way to get them to shut up is slapping them across the chops.

No, but you really, REALLY want him to.


LOL

 

[X Factor]

The wife says this is all the rage in the Twittersphere. I'm not much into the tweeting world, so I look for it in Googleland. It seems to have begun about a year ago, and I guess it's picking up steam.

https://radfemrepost.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/petition-get-the-l-out-of-lgbt/



I can imagine that when lesbians are told that they are bigots for not accepting men with penises who claim to be women as lesbians that the end of the marriage between "L" and the "GBT" is bound to be the end result. Writing on the wall, if you ask me.

This is a really interesting perspective I have not thought of. Maybe lesbians also, generally, don't want dudes showering in their locker rooms or pissing on their toilet seats. I have a good lesbian friend and she visibly shuttered at just the thought of a penis.

 

[VanceMack]

So, lesbians who do not agree with your agenda are assholes. Got it. No wonder they want out.

"You can't speak publicly any more at events about women's experiences that trans women don't have – having vaginas, abortion, menstruating – because that alienates trans people," said one woman in her 20s who works for a prominent women's welfare service in Melbourne.

She told The Sunday Age that many younger feminists like her were reluctant to speak out because the backlash is "terrifying".

"The fact that women have vaginas means something for our safety, for our health and hygiene, it means something for our sexuality. The experiences of the majority of women are being sidelined, which is really problematic because that's real misogyny when women can't speak of their own experiences any more."

Its a train running full speed with no rails. And its more than 'just a few' people.

 

[X Factor]

I guess that is up to them, but might argue that they would have less of a voice on more broad social issues if enough lesbians remove themselves from the general LGBT movement.

By the same token, keeping the "L" in it could be perceived as all folks in the acronym are of the same mind or that advocating for trans people is exactly the same as advocating for lesbians and I can actually see where the two could conflict. That said, I don't think they'll be able to control what folks say or the terms they use.

 

[Howler63]

"You can't speak publicly any more at events about women's experiences that trans women don't have – having vaginas, abortion, menstruating – because that alienates trans people," said one woman in her 20s who works for a prominent women's welfare service in Melbourne.

She told The Sunday Age that many younger feminists like her were reluctant to speak out because the backlash is "terrifying".

"The fact that women have vaginas means something for our safety, for our health and hygiene, it means something for our sexuality. The experiences of the majority of women are being sidelined, which is really problematic because that's real misogyny when women can't speak of their own experiences any more."

Its a train running full speed with no rails. And its more than 'just a few' people.

This is to be expected when the PC retards are running the show.

 

[VanceMack]

This is to be expected when the PC retards are running the show.

Well...lets just say it is to be expected when you merely give lip service to words like tolerance and acceptance and your Standard Operating Procedure is to **** yourself and scream BIGOT!!! RACIST!!! HOMOPHOBE!!! anytime someone dares to disagree with you.

 

[X Factor]

Oh for ****s sake, it is a ****ing Wordpress blog, and a dead one. The petition failed, miserably. Reading, it really helps you not fail, like this thread has.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't actually make it a "fail". I don't believe this will substantially fracture the "LGTB" movement or anything but I do think it can be a good thing to check your (meant in the general sense) assumptions and an assumption that what may be good for trans must automatically be good/right for lesbians may not be accurate.

That said, I don't see how any petition, no matter how many signatures, can make someone remove some word from their name or title unless that word is trademarked or something. Nobody owns the word "lesbian".

 

[PirateMk1]

it seems to me they were hijacked a long time ago by the prevailing machismo culture that constantly expressed their enthusiasm for lesbian porn, but who've never expressed any interest in badly needed civil rights for lesbians

face it, the female voice has always been relatively muted in our (and almost every) culture

Not the female voice, the lesbian voice. There's a difference. The female voice nowadays is just fine.

 

[Redress]

Just because you don't like it, doesn't actually make it a "fail". I don't believe this will substantially fracture the "LGTB" movement or anything but I do think it can be a good thing to check your (meant in the general sense) assumptions and an assumption that what may be good for trans must automatically be good/right for lesbians may not be accurate.

That said, I don't see how any petition, no matter how many signatures, can make someone remove some word from their name or title unless that word is trademarked or something. Nobody owns the word "lesbian".

It is not a fail because I don't like it, it is a fail because when I had a Wordpress blog, with zero advertising, I still got more comments that the occasional 1 comment that the linked one got, and that a petition to make a movie with Jack Frost from Rise of the Guardians and Elsa from Frozen as a romantic couple got 20 times as many signatures. That is why this thread fails.

 

[calamity]

"You can't speak publicly any more at events about women's experiences that trans women don't have – having vaginas, abortion, menstruating – because that alienates trans people," said one woman in her 20s who works for a prominent women's welfare service in Melbourne.

She told The Sunday Age that many younger feminists like her were reluctant to speak out because the backlash is "terrifying".

"The fact that women have vaginas means something for our safety, for our health and hygiene, it means something for our sexuality. The experiences of the majority of women are being sidelined, which is really problematic because that's real misogyny when women can't speak of their own experiences any more."

Its a train running full speed with no rails. And its more than 'just a few' people.

Oh the backlash is relentless. I have at least three twenty-plus-page threads just here at DP where the trans mafia guns for me after each and every post. I make a post, they send in six replies...usually calling me ignorant, imbecile, idiot, or just simply a bigot.

I see it is even worse in Twitterland where the trans mafia seek and destroy anyone with an opinion which goes counter to their agenda, even going so far as searching out the names and addresses of those people and then ruining their lives, similar to what we've seen happen to Curt Schilling.