Germany makes the worlds best cars!

[ALiberalModerate]

Germany makes some beautiful cars, but they are money pits. The oxygen sensor for my mom's 1999 Mercedes ML was $600 dollars. Its an 65 dollar part for my truck, and a 85 dollar part for my wife's Subaru.

 

[PonyBoy]

NASCAR is not actually racing it is simply a form of entertainment. NASCAR is literally the WWF of motorsports.

Well now you're just speaking out of pure European ignorance. And if you really new anything about car racing i don't think you woulda posted that.

 

[Goshin]

The american auto industry is in decline. Nobody wants to buy those 3rd world cars anymore. Obama had to buy GM and I heard that Crysler is in the same shape. Only Ford is holding its own.

In comparison the germans with the best engineering build Porche, BMW, Audi and Mercedes and of course VW bought Royal Royce from Britain a decade ago. Why cant Americans build cars that people want? The Japanese own the US car market. What are they doing better?

Do you have some purpose in these forums other than America-bashing?

Honestly, you're like a caricature of the condescending European snob stereotype.

 

[USA_1]

NASCAR is not actually racing it is simply a form of entertainment. NASCAR is literally the WWF of motorsports.

Times have changed. There was a time when NASCAR was the greatest, purest form of racing. In the days of Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, David Pearson, Dale Sr and Richard Petty, when the cars went fast as hell, handled like gravel trucks and it took real skill to manuever them. The days of real men, not these crybaby, spoiled brats of today. Now, I agree it really has become the professional wrestling of motorsports. It's all about hype, pretty faces and marketing. Even the promos on TV remind me of pro wrestling.

 

[PonyBoy]

Times have changed. There was a time when NASCAR was the greatest, purest form of racing. In the days of Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, David Pearson, Dale Sr and Richard Petty, when the cars went fast as hell, handled like gravel trucks and it took real skill to manuever them. The days of real men, not these crybaby, spoiled brats of today. Now, I agree it really has become the professional wrestling of motorsports. It's all about hype, pretty faces and marketing. Even the promos on TV remind me of pro wrestling.

Yeah but NASCAR has always been about the promos and marketing.

 

[bub]

The american auto industry is in decline. Nobody wants to buy those 3rd world cars anymore. Obama had to buy GM and I heard that Crysler is in the same shape. Only Ford is holding its own.

In comparison the germans with the best engineering build Porche, BMW, Audi and Mercedes and of course VW bought Royal Royce from Britain a decade ago. Why cant Americans build cars that people want? The Japanese own the US car market. What are they doing better?

I know a guy who bought a Mercedes Classe S, the car spends more time in the garage for reparation than in his own garage.

 

[USA_1]

Yeah but NASCAR has always been about the promos and marketing.

Not really. Back in the 60s and 70s it was about the racing, the innovation and competition between the manufacturers. The cars were closer to stock, not hand built bodies, the engines had to be production and left up to the motor geniouses to make them go fast., the drivers were tough as nails and some ugly as a bulldog, they earned their rides, it wasn't about selling Viagra, it was about the racing.

 

[PonyBoy]

Not really. Back in the 60s and 70s it was about the racing, the innovation and competition between the manufacturers. The cars were closer to stock, not hand built bodies, the engines had to be production and left up to the motor geniouses to make them go fast., the drivers were tough as nails and some ugly as a bulldog, they earned their rides, it wasn't about selling Viagra, it was about the racing.

Yeah but they cant afford to race without sponsorships. Racing is super expensive.

 

[justabubba]

Well now you're just speaking out of pure European ignorance. And if you really new anything about car racing i don't think you woulda posted that.

actually, he nailed it
spent years doing sports marketing for the 97 car all over the states
looking out at the NASCAR hall of fame building as i write this
and from his european vantage paris aptly described NASCAR today

 

[Andalublue]

Yeah but they cant afford to race without sponsorships. Racing is super expensive.

Who needs sponsorship? Who needs to race? I drive a 2001 Fiat Punto, costs me $200 a year to service, $50 a year in road tax and does 40 MPG. It has never broken down and gets me and poochie around the mountains 365 days a year. Keep your BMWs and your GT40s (whatever they are), I'm happy with my cheap and cheerful Italian ragazza.

 

[The Giant Noodle]

German cars are crap. Horrible reliability AND to repair them the cost is INSANE. The warranties are also sub-standard.

 

[PonyBoy]

actually, he nailed it
spent years doing sports marketing for the 97 car all over the states
looking out at the NASCAR hall of fame building as i write this
and from his european vantage paris aptly described NASCAR today

No way is NASCAR "literally" the WWF of car racing. NASCAR is real (not fake), racers die, and rubbins racin!

@ Paris- Ohhh dont bump my Formula One I might wreck....

:lamo

 

[PonyBoy]

Who needs sponsorship? Who needs to race? I drive a 2001 Fiat Punto, costs me $200 a year to service, $50 a year in road tax and does 40 MPG. It has never broken down and gets me and poochie around the mountains 365 days a year. Keep your BMWs and your GT40s (whatever they are), I'm happy with my cheap and cheerful Italian ragazza.

Who needs sponsorship?

What are you talkin about, Everybody needs a sponsor out on the road! Lol!

Dude, We're talkin about NASCAR/Formula One racing, now.

 

[PonyBoy]

 

[justabubba]

No way is NASCAR "literally" the WWF of car racing. NASCAR is real (not fake), racers die, and rubbins racin!

@ Paris- Ohhh dont bump my Formula One I might wreck....

:lamo

guess you haven't seen those hendrick drivers doing the tag team

and the rules are enforced by NASCAR as evenly as one would witness at WWF

paris got it right

but then i'm jaded. i was fortunate to have been born into a family of racers. only they did most of their racin' on dirt roads hauling white liquor and then on dirt tracks on weekends. that precursor to NASCAR was REAL racin'

 

[USA_1]

Yeah but they cant afford to race without sponsorships. Racing is super expensive.

It is now. It doesn't have to be. The racing was better when guys like Smokey Yunick built his cars in his tiny Auto service shop and other guys built them at home in their garage and the cars went as fast as they do today. That was before the multi-million dollar teams and the TV hype.

 

[PonyBoy]

It is now. It doesn't have to be. The racing was better when guys like Smokey Yunick built his cars in his tiny Auto service shop and other guys built them at home in their garage and the cars went as fast as they do today. That was before the multi-million dollar teams and the TV hype.

Well I agree, Everything is more pure without the Hollywood FX. It's too bad we cant watch the old time moonshine runners on t.v.

 

[USA_1]

No way is NASCAR "literally" the WWF of car racing. NASCAR is real (not fake), racers die, and rubbins racin!

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It's getting there. Now it's more about groomed personalities, sponsors and the last lap pileup. It's not fake, but it has changed.

 

[justabubba]

the only NASCAR event worth watching is the shootout

hell, they even managed to ruin bristol

 

[USA_1]

Well I agree, Everything is more pure without the Hollywood FX. It's too bad we cant watch the old time moonshine runners on t.v.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67iEwLgaHxM"]YouTube- Vintage 1970-1978 NASCAR clips[/nomedia]

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XxDrbQjyDw&feature=related"]YouTube- Nascar Cale Yarborough Darlington lap[/nomedia]

 

[kaya'08]

No, Italian cars are the bestest... Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti..

And they have good food, too. You don't!

Im glad somebody with a brain set everybody straight.

 

[digsbe]

American auto makers were hit hard because of liberal unions and government regulation :mrgreen: They failed because of workers' outlandish benifits and the government meddling because of the false science behind global warming. And Germany doesn't make the best cars, Italy and Japan are much better

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

The Japs really channelled their energies in the right way after MacArthur recalibrated the country.

They took the best ideas from the likes of us and developed them further and released them into our markets at a cheaper price once the markets had got going. Sometimes they had a run for their money, like when Commodore released excellent computers at low prices to start with, but by and large they succeeded when taking their own methodogy to the extreme.

 

[kaya'08]

American auto makers were hit hard because of liberal unions and government regulation :mrgreen: They failed because of workers' outlandish benifits and the government meddling because of the false science behind global warming. And Germany doesn't make the best cars, Italy and Japan are much better

Yes, i heard buying a Toyota is the only legal method of suicide in America. :mrgreen:

 

[digsbe]

Yes, i heard buying a Toyota is the only legal method of suicide in America. :mrgreen:

I am talking more about Honda and Nisan, I like Hondas too . Toyota was being cheap, and technically it's not solely their fault. The pedals were mass produced by China and Toyota bought them cheaply. The Chinese factory made defective parts and Toyota bought them to save some money and didn't thouroughly test them for quality.