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Gender Pronouns

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They works, I even accept 'it' from people that are too confused by 'they'.
They is an odd way to refer to a single person. I said 'how is she' the other day not knowing there was a pronoun issue and was corrected by another saying "how is they"... and that, is freaking weird. I am not saying 'how is they' for any reason. I just said, "alright then... how is Susan" (made up name).
 

What blog? Haven't read a blog.

I have never said that a PB was like a zoloft. Ever. It is not a mental health drug. I have never said it was.

Yet, kids that are on PB to prevent going through the "wrong puberty" are not having a "significant improvement on their psychological function, thoughts of self-harm, or body image" as those actually going through the "wrong puberty".
 
Wheere are you getting your information?

If you don't like the current treatment protocol then tell me what your superior plan that has proven to have better long-term results is because until you have one you are cherry-picking anything that supports your biased opinions, delete the fact that those ideas lead to a worse long term outcome. Nobody has ever said that it is perfect but it is an improvement over the past or not doing anything at all, or worse, attempts at reparative therapy.
 

Recent study.

I like some of what the high Court in England said... paraphrased:

Kids do not have the capacity.to understand long term impacts. Therapy for co-morbidities. Counseling. More and higher quality research.

Nice found a lot of bias in the studies as well as poor quality surrounding pb.
 
Teens aren't making these decisions on their own. That is why they have psychologists and a team of Drs that do testing and counseling long before any medication is considered. You seem to think that this is a short process.
 
Teens aren't making these decisions on their own. That is why they have psychologists and a team of Drs that do testing and counseling long before any medication is considered. You seem to think that this is a short process.

And you think that the doctors and psychologists aren't under pressure to validate and confirm under the current climate?
 
Teens aren't making these decisions on their own. That is why they have psychologists and a team of Drs that do testing and counseling long before any medication is considered. You seem to think that this is a short process.

We have already had this conversation. In some states it is very short, first visit process.
 

That is up for debate. The NHS recently altered its advice from saying they are reversible to saying they don't know what the long-term effects are.
 
Sure you can. If you dont know the gender of the person, use singular they. The article i showed you demonstrated this quite well.

But we do know the gender of a non-binary person - it is a neutral gender.

Having xe/xem pronouns would actually be a much better solution. It provides a direct neutral alternative to he/she, and keeps they/them for plural and singular for when we don't know if the person is a he/she/xe.
 
Bisexual is a good example. It amazes me how hard it is for some people to grasp that the vast majority of bisexual people are not looking to actually have a partner of each sex, that they are merely potentially attracted to more people than the average heterosexual or homosexual person is because sex/gender is not a limiting factor on who they can be attracted to. It isn't even that hard of a concept to understand either, since most people are attracted to more than one person, at least throughout their life, but still only want to be with a single person at a time.
 
Yes but it is even wider than that. Every cell in our bodies has a copy of our DNA, which among many other things, indicates our sex.
And you can have cells in your body that are opposite sex. Many people do, but don't know it because they have found that chimerism is much more common than previously believed.


This is one of many things that makes sex and biology much more complicated than just "XX = female, XY = male". And before anyone starts going off on "that's rare", being intersexed in some way is less rare than being transgender.
 
John: Hey Steve, where is Brian?
Steve: They is taking a walk in the woods.
If someone asked for "Carey" and you tell them "they aren't here right now", is Carey a man or a woman? Can you see any reason to not let that person asking know whether Carey is a man or a woman by using a gender neutral pronoun?
 
They are, in that sentence, is a present indicative plural. It cannot work as a singular. The singular is 'is'.

If you is gone to ignore grammar rules, you were make things confusing.
They has worked as a gender neutral pronoun for a single person who's gender is either unknown or that someone wants to remain unknown for quite some time in our language.

If I am at work and do not know the gender of the submitter of a ticket I am discussing with my team mates, it is not at all uncommon for any of us to use "they" in regards to that single submitter, rather than guessing the gender or using he/she, which is much more awkward.
 

But the gender identity of a non binary person is known - we know they are non binary/ neutral.

Xe would be a better alternative than they for a nb person.
 
But the gender identity of a non binary person is known - we know they are non binary/ neutral.

Xe would be a better alternative than they for a nb person.
Either would work. That is the point. If "they" has been used for singular in other ways, then there is no reason it cannot be used as a pronoun for a nonbinary person.
 
Either would work. That is the point. If "they" has been used for singular in other ways, then there is no reason it cannot be used as a pronoun for a nonbinary person.

They as a singular is nothing more than a linguistic band aid. A workaround because there was no neutral version of he/she. It is not a direct alternative.
 
They as a singular is nothing more than a linguistic band aid. A workaround because there was no neutral version of he/she. It is not a direct alternative.
Thee.
 
They as a singular is nothing more than a linguistic band aid. A workaround because there was no neutral version of he/she. It is not a direct alternative.
Language is how we make it, what we can get used to using in a way that works for us. So since we are already used to using that, then it is a direct alternative.
 
Thats progress.
 
Nine rows times five columns is 45 letter combinations, many of which belong to words we already know. Are you suggesting that it is really that difficult to learn thirty new words?
You have fun with all that. I'm not going to bother. I completed grade school long ago, and have more important things to occupy my thoughts.
 
This is even more confusing than street slang and ebonics. Can you imagine teenagers in school being coerced to use these terms? OMG, talk about getting set up to be bullied.
 
And you think that the doctors and psychologists aren't under pressure to validate and confirm under the current climate?
No, they are not. Their medical license could be at risk if they refuse to do their duty and instead prescribe medication for someone who might have questions or has other problems that could appear to be trans. This is why there is medical and psych testing, plus counseling long before hormones and anti-androgens are considered. Drs and psychologists are not to function as rubber stamps.

We have already had this conversation. In some states it is very short, first visit process.
It might be that way for adults but not for teens. It should be a minimum of 90 days to 6 months of bimonthly psychologist counseling for both before medication is considered to get a full history and testing.
 
That is up for debate. The NHS recently altered its advice from saying they are reversible to saying they don't know what the long-term effects are.
The NHS is creating waiting lists and a backlog, to the point that some citizens are going overseas or underground to get care. I've heard that it can be two years.

 
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Wow. Lisa is all for this crazy stuff. Who would've guessed that?
 
The way I handle this is if it's a woman, I say 'she' or 'her'. If its a guy, I say "he" or "him". Just like all sane people have done for centuries. I won't participate in this Marxist hogwash.
 
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