Gender Pronouns

[Lisa]

Conservatives eh? There are a lot of young liberal females out there who are upset about competing against chicks with dicks (snark intended) too.

To most people, this is a non-issue. It's just TERFS, MAGAites, and boomers who have a problem.

Yeah, tell that to Keira Bell.

NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition

A woman is taking legal action against an NHS gender clinic which treated her as a teenager.

www.bbc.co.uk

Was she forced or did she make a bad choice and is now having buyer's remorse?

A 23-year-old woman who is taking legal action against an NHS gender clinic says she should have been challenged more by medical staff over her decision to transition to a male as a teenager.
A judge gave the go-ahead for a full hearing of the case against the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust.
Lawyers will argue children cannot give informed consent to treatment delaying puberty or helping them to transition.
The Tavistock said it always took a cautious approach to treatment.
Gender identity charity Mermaids said that people face a long wait for access to such services, that they can save lives and that very few people regret their decision.
The clinic based in Hampstead, north-west London, which runs the UK's only gender-identity development service (GIDS), added that it welcomed an examination of the evidence in this contentious area.

Keira Bell is one of the claimants and will give evidence in the judicial review, which is likely to be heard in early summer.
The second claimant, known only as Mum A, is the mother of a 15-year-old girl with autism, who is awaiting treatment at the clinic.
Keira describes being a tomboy as a child. When asked how strongly she felt the need to change her gender identity, she replied that it gradually built up as she found out more about transitioning online.
Then as she went down the medical route, she said "one step led to another".

How much psychological testing, following, and counseling was involved? Over how many years was the process?

 

[ProgressPlease]

Misdiagnoses will happen. It's inevitable. But we have to understand that they're a minority, and one bad clinic shouldn't mean we take away services from those who need it. Also note that the lack of education and acceptance for different sexualities, like lesbians, contributed to Kiera thinking she was trans.

It is mainly self-diagnosis and affirmation now in the US. There are no objective diagnostic tests. Informed consent is the prevailing model here, where we have for profit healthcare.
There was a push (understandably) to get rid of the gate keeping trans people felt was holding them back.

There are many private clinics that operate on an informed consent model which of course is not for protecting the client/patient but simply a CYA form for the clinic.

Keira's story has been repeated, particularly in the US where the majority of clinics are private. Those who are discussing their stories of regret have many different experiences, including internalized homophobia. This is one of many possible reasons for one identifying as trans and many clinicians are not exploring it for a variety of reasons.

 

[Citizen]

I find just asking people what they prefer works. No need for drama, just use common courtesy.

I have never come in contact with anyone where that was an issue. Why is the right making a mountain out of a molehill. I put this in the same category with Mr. Potato Head and Dr Seus. Can’t they find some real issues to concern themselves with?

 

[Unbeknownst]

It is mainly self-diagnosis and affirmation now in the US. There are no objective diagnostic tests. Informed consent is the prevailing model here, where we have for profit healthcare.
There was a push (understandably) to get rid of the gate keeping trans people felt was holding them back.

There are many private clinics that operate on an informed consent model which of course is not for protecting the client/patient but simply a CYA form for the clinic.

Keira's story has been repeated, particularly in the US where the majority of clinics are private. Those who are discussing their stories of regret have many different experiences, including internalized homophobia. This is one of many possible reasons for one identifying as trans and many clinicians are not exploring it for a variety of reasons.

Can you get me a source on that?

 

[mrjurrs]

Just say "Hey you" and point at the person you're addressing. If these pronoun ******s don't like it, tell them to make life easier on the rest of us by dropping their delusions.

Or you could just stay home.

 

[mrjurrs]

I won't be using these new pronouns. I'll just ask their name and call them that, otherwise, I just won't communicate.

Your loss.

 

[Lisa]

Yeah, tell that to Keira Bell.

It is mainly self-diagnosis and affirmation now in the US. There are no objective diagnostic tests. Informed consent is the prevailing model here, where we have for-profit healthcare.
There was a push (understandably) to get rid of the gatekeeping trans people felt was holding them back.

There are many private clinics that operate on an informed consent model which of course is not for protecting the client/patient but simply a CYA form for the clinic.

Keira's story has been repeated, particularly in the US where the majority of clinics are private. Those who are discussing their stories of regret have many different experiences, including internalized homophobia. This is one of many possible reasons for one identifying as trans and many clinicians are not exploring it for a variety of reasons.

This is why I support more than 2 months of psychological testing and a full psychological history rather than just rubber-stamping their views as a diagnosis. There can be many things that can masquerade as gender identity from homophobia, both sexual and physical abuse, plus various mental health disorders. The consequences are too dire if the wrong mistake is made because the hormones and blockers can mask the other conditions and have lasting side effects. Treat the other conditions such as anxiety and depression and then move on to hormones when the patient's background is more clear. I don't want the psychologist to be a gatekeeper but the other possibilities must be ruled out first, especially with pre-teens and teens. This should be possible in 4-5x 1 hour or 90-minute sessions.

 

[RetiredUSN]

To most people, this is a non-issue. It's just TERFS, MAGAites, and boomers who have a problem.


Was she forced or did she make a bad choice and is now having buyer's remorse?



How much psychological testing, following, and counseling was involved? Over how many years was the process?

Stop lying. You know female athletes are also complaining.

 

[Lisa]

Stop lying. You know female athletes are also complaining.

It is far from the majority. This is just another attempt by the GOP to store up culture war nonsense and a way to distract from their inability to put forth a domestic or economic policy that the majority supports, so they try to pander to their ignorant Chrtitian ISIL base with these attacks on women and various social and religious minorities.

Trans people are not subservient to CIS and heteros and they aren't going away or be forced back into the closet by your bigotry and ignorance of human sexuality.

LBJ understand the mindset of religious conservatives and bigots 50 years ago. This applies equally to women, LGBT, immigrants as well as African-Americans, and people of other religions. Conservatives aren't happy until they are treating others as less than equally, while ironically claiming to be Christians because they are terrified of being treated in the same way that they have treated other Americans for the past 250 years. Trump, televangelists, and the GOP are now fleecing these same idiots for every penny they have.

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

 

[RetiredUSN]

It is far from the majority. This is just another attempt by the GOP to store up culture war nonsense and a way to distract from their inability to put forth a domestic or economic policy that the majority supports, so they try to pander to their ignorant Chrtitian ISIL base with these attacks on women and various social and religious minorities.

Trans people are not subservient to CIS and heteros and they aren't going away or be forced back into the closet by your bigotry and ignorance of human sexuality.

BS. Stop lying.

Boomers were even more open to the idea of Trans people competing than millennials.



Got any more bigoted accusations to make?

 

[Lisa]

BS. Stop lying.

Boomers were even more open to the idea of Trans people competing than millennials.



Got any more bigoted accusations to make?
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The NCCA is already clear on this policy,

As a core value, the NCAA believes in and is committed to diversity, inclusion and gender eq-uity among its student-athletes, coaches and administrators. We seek to establish and main-tain an inclusive culture that fosters equitable participation for student-athletes and career opportunities for coaches and administrators from diverse backgrounds. Diversity and inclu-sion improve the learning environment for all student-athletes and enhance excellence within the Association. The Office of Inclusion will provide or enable programming and education, which sustains foundations of a diverse and inclusive culture across dimensions of diversity including, but not limited to age, race, sex, national origin, class, creed, educational background, disability, gen-der expression, geographical location, income, marital status, parental status, sexual orienta-tion and work experiences.

Most of these lawmakers cannot cite an example of it happening.

Legislators in more than 20 states have introduced bills this year that would ban transgender girls from competing on girls’ sports teams in public high schools. Yet in almost every case, sponsors cannot cite a single instance in their own state or region where such participation has caused problems.

The Associated Press reached out to two dozen state lawmakers sponsoring such measures around the country as well as the conservative groups supporting them and found only a few times it’s been an issue among the hundreds of thousands of American teenagers who play high school sports.

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In South Carolina, for example, Rep. Ashley Trantham said she knew of no transgender athletes competing in the state and was proposing a ban to prevent possible problems in the future. Otherwise, she said during a recent hearing, “the next generation of female athletes in South Carolina may not have a chance to excel.”

Do you somehow think that CIS males will become trans females as a way to win and then hilariously go back to be CIS males, or some other nonsense? Is this the latest conservative bogeyman? Maybe George Soros, the ghost of Karl Marx and Hillary will fund them?

 

[Eriech]

There are 3 lines there that work. The rest are are contrived. Ubby dubby language maybe?

 

[Underestimated]

Your loss.

My gain, of sanity.

 

[Tahuyaman]

All the ones know do. Just call them they/them. You will be fine.

Obviously that’s not true as these new pronouns were invented for a reason.

 

[Underestimated]

Obviously that’s not true as these new pronouns were invented for a reason.

People who want to feel special or different? Glad I ran across this legal case which rebuffs the gender pronoun issue. It's silly.

Meriwether V Hartop (6th Cir 2021) (Preferred Gender Pronouns Case) | PDF | First Amendment To The United States Constitution | Fourteenth Amendment To The United States Constitution

"[T]itles and pronouns carry a message. The university recognizes that and wants its professors to use pronouns to communicate a message: People can have a gender identity inconsistent with their sex at birth. But Meriwether does not agree with that message, and he does not want to communicate...

www.scribd.com

 

[Unbeknownst]

People who want to feel special or different? Glad I ran across this legal case which rebuffs the gender pronoun issue. It's silly.

Meriwether V Hartop (6th Cir 2021) (Preferred Gender Pronouns Case) | PDF | First Amendment To The United States Constitution | Fourteenth Amendment To The United States Constitution

"[T]itles and pronouns carry a message. The university recognizes that and wants its professors to use pronouns to communicate a message: People can have a gender identity inconsistent with their sex at birth. But Meriwether does not agree with that message, and he does not want to communicate...

www.scribd.com

Transitioning is the only known treatment for gender dysphoria. Other methods, like therapy, don't work. Discrimination against trans people has negative effects on their mental health. This is especially worrying, considering the already high suicide, self harm and attempted suicide rates of trans people. Note that transgender and nonbinary youth who reported having pronouns respected by all or most people in their lives attempted suicide at half the rate of those who did not have their pronouns respected.

 

[Lord Zerg]

Obviously that’s not true as these new pronouns were invented for a reason.

Those new pronouns are dumb and almost nobody knows them. Stick to they/them. Everyone knows them already.

 

[Tahuyaman]

Transitioning is the only known treatment for gender dysphoria. Other methods, like therapy, don't work. Discrimination against trans people has negative effects on their mental health. This is especially worrying, considering the already high suicide, self harm and attempted suicide rates of trans people. Note that transgender and nonbinary youth who reported having pronouns respected by all or most people in their lives attempted suicide at half the rate of those who did not have their pronouns respected.

I don’t believe playing into a mental illness is an effective treatment. That just makes it worse.

 

[mrjurrs]

My gain, of sanity.

You must have a tenuous grip on it if this makes the difference.

 

[Lovebug]

Just tell us, we obey or else. Not that difficult.

 

[Lisa]

I don’t believe playing into a mental illness is an effective treatment. That just makes it worse.

Did you ever tell the APA about your ideas because mental health professionals disagree with you? How many psych courses did you take in college? You did go to college, didn't you?

A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

Answers to your questions about transgender people, gender identity, and gender expression

Transgender is an umbrella term used to describe people whose gender identity (sense of themselves as male or female) or gender expression differs from socially constructed norms associated with their birth sex. This includes androgynous, bigendered and gender queer people, who tend to see...

www.apa.org

 

[Tahuyaman]

Did you ever tell the APA about your ideas because mental health professionals disagree with you? How many psych courses did you take in college? You did go to college, didn't you?

They agreed with me until they became compromised by political correctness.

 

[Tahuyaman]

Answers to your questions about transgender people, gender identity, and gender expression

Transgender is an umbrella term used to describe people whose gender identity (sense of themselves as male or female) or gender expression differs from socially constructed norms associated with their birth sex. This includes androgynous, bigendered and gender queer people, who tend to see...

www.apa.org

So; it’s a term used to describe a mental illness.

 

[Lisa]

They agreed with me until they became compromised by political correctness.

When was this?

So; it’s a term used to describe a mental illness.

Being trans is not a mental illness. The body dysphoria caused by transgendered is an illness because it affects their life until it is treated by transitioning to align their biological gender with their psychological gender identity.

If you know so much what was the supposed prior treatment for gender identity?

 

[Aristaeus]

The NCCA is already clear on this policy,



Most of these lawmakers cannot cite an example of it happening.




Do you somehow think that CIS males will become trans females as a way to win and then hilariously go back to be CIS males, or some other nonsense? Is this the latest conservative bogeyman? Maybe George Soros, the ghost of Karl Marx and Hillary will fund them?

No one is saying they will choose to identify as trans in order to win, but an athlete who is a transwomen will have an advantage.

I predict the first transwomen athlete to compete in an Olympic games event will win the gold medal. We already saw the gold, silver, and bronze medals for the women's 800m at Rio go to athletes with intersex conditions, which shows the advantage of having some male attributes.