Fox New Refuses To Give Obama Credit For Osama capture, Giving Kudos To Bush Intel

[SypherAL]

Fox News really cant admit a great move by our president, can they? Last night, once again, Fox news found a way to convey the credit of Sunday night to the Republican Party, claiming the only reason President Obama was able to pull this off was strictly due to former President Bush's Intelligence Policies. Every person they interviewed, or had talk, made sure the thanks went to Bush, and maybe a couple "good jobs" were handed out to Obama. Its like they tell every person before hand to be SURE not to give ANY credit what so ever to Obama, it just might make them look weak. Pathetic.


Obama took a real gamble, this whole thing could have blown right up in his face, and could have been a sure deal to lose his upcoming election, but he pulled it off, with almost perfect results. This issue gained some real points with me in regards to our president.

 

[MaggieD]

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Fox News really cant admit a great move by our president, can they? Last night, once again, Fox news found a way to convey the credit of Sunday night to the Republican Party, claiming the only reason President Obama was able to pull this off was strictly due to former President Bush's Intelligence Policies. Every person they interviewed, or had talk, made sure the thanks went to Bush, and maybe a couple "good jobs" were handed out to Obama. Its like they tell every person before hand to be SURE not to give ANY credit what so ever to Obama, it just might make them look weak. Pathetic.

Obama took a real gamble, this whole thing could have blown right up in his face, and could have been a sure deal to lose his upcoming election, but he pulled it off, with almost perfect results. This issue gained some real points with me in regards to our president.

It was a tough decision to make. Obama gets all the credit for that. The military gets all the credit for perfect execution. President Bush gets all the credit for laying down The Yellow Brick Road.

 

[tessaesque]

Re: Fox New Refuses To Give Obama Credit For Osama capture, Giving Kudos To Bush Inte

Fox News really cant admit a great move by our president, can they? Last night, once again, Fox news found a way to convey the credit of Sunday night to the Republican Party, claiming the only reason President Obama was able to pull this off was strictly due to former President Bush's Intelligence Policies. Every person they interviewed, or had talk, made sure the thanks went to Bush, and maybe a couple "good jobs" were handed out to Obama. Its like they tell every person before hand to be SURE not to give ANY credit what so ever to Obama, it just might make them look weak. Pathetic.


Obama took a real gamble, this whole thing could have blown right up in his face, and could have been a sure deal to lose his upcoming election, but he pulled it off, with almost perfect results. This issue gained some real points with me in regards to our president.

Not sure when you were watching, but Monday morning and Monday evening (from about 5:20-7pm central) I had FoxNews on and heard nothing but congratulations and accolades from every guest. I did hear supposition from guests regarding how quickly we discarded the body, I heard questions regarding whether or not Pakistan should be put at arms length now, I heard questions on when we knew what. But I never heard anybody say that Obama deserved no credit.

Links?

 

[Jetboogieman]

Re: Fox New Refuses To Give Obama Credit For Osama capture, Giving Kudos To Bush Inte

Lets get a few things straight here.

No one is obliged to give the president credit, hell even during his speech he didn't day "and then i shoved a pistol down Bin Ladens throat and pulled the trigger"

He was humble and somber and gave credit where it was due, the intelligence and military.

And Mega, i would request if you could bring up that great post with all the "i's" that would be appreciated.

Obama gets credit for putting the right people in the right place, listening to the right things, and giving the go ahead for an operation that will be a great action scene in the inevitable hollywood blockbuster coming out in a couple of years with jerry bruckhiemer directing :lol:

Otherwise, fox is being fox.

Really i think this whole "who gets credit" debate is ridiculous and i think it needs to stop.

 

[ksu_aviator]

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Obama did it all on his own then? I suppose now you are going to tell us that it was Obama that flew the helicopter into the compound that he found with his psychic like deductive reasoning and then jumped out and used skillz he learned on the basketball court and the Illinois State Senate to kill 20...no 30...no 100 Al Qaeda guards in hand to hand combat before he took one of their guns and personally put Bin Laden down...right after he offered to sit down and have a beer with him, but Binny Boy refused.

Like I said before. This event was the result of a decade of intelligence and planning with contributions from 1000's of people...not just one man. Yes, Bush indeed deserves some credit. As does Obama, Panetta, Biden, Cheney, the troops on the ground, their commanders, Petraeus and so many more.

And just for you edification:

“The information that eventually led us to this compound was the direct result of enhanced interrogations; one can conclude if we had not used enhanced interrogations, we would not have come to yesterday's action,” US Senator Richard Burr in a telephone interview with CNBC.

News Headlines

 

[SypherAL]

Re: Fox New Refuses To Give Obama Credit For Osama capture, Giving Kudos To Bush Inte

Obama did it all on his own then? I suppose now you are going to tell us that it was Obama that flew the helicopter into the compound that he found with his psychic like deductive reasoning and then jumped out and used skillz he learned on the basketball court and the Illinois State Senate to kill 20...no 30...no 100 Al Qaeda guards in hand to hand combat before he took one of their guns and personally put Bin Laden down...right after he offered to sit down and have a beer with him, but Binny Boy refused.

Like I said before. This event was the result of a decade of intelligence and planning with contributions from 1000's of people...not just one man. Yes, Bush indeed deserves some credit. As does Obama, Panetta, Biden, Cheney, the troops on the ground, their commanders, Petraeus and so many more.

And just for you edification:

By "enhanced" interrogations are you reffering to waterboarding? Torture?

 

[SypherAL]

Re: Fox New Refuses To Give Obama Credit For Osama capture, Giving Kudos To Bush Inte

Obama did it all on his own then? I suppose now you are going to tell us that it was Obama that flew the helicopter into the compound that he found with his psychic like deductive reasoning and then jumped out and used skillz he learned on the basketball court and the Illinois State Senate to kill 20...no 30...no 100 Al Qaeda guards in hand to hand combat before he took one of their guns and personally put Bin Laden down...right after he offered to sit down and have a beer with him, but Binny Boy refused.

Like I said before. This event was the result of a decade of intelligence and planning with contributions from 1000's of people...not just one man. Yes, Bush indeed deserves some credit. As does Obama, Panetta, Biden, Cheney, the troops on the ground, their commanders, Petraeus and so many more.

And just for you edification:

Where in my post did I say President Obama gets all the credit, and did everything on his own? The people who deserve the real credit here is the U.S. Navy Seal team, who put their lives on the line on a daily basis, but are deemed "non essential" when our government threatens to close down over Planned Parenthood.

 

[ksu_aviator]

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Where in my post did I say President Obama gets all the credit, and did everything on his own? The people who deserve the real credit here is the U.S. Navy Seal team, who put their lives on the line on a daily basis, but are deemed "non essential" when our government threatens to close down over Planned Parenthood.

By insisting that no one should be giving Bush credit, you come off as want Obama to get all the credit. As for the Navy Seals, when the Republicans shutdown the government in 95, they got paid. Why was it different in 2011? I'm guessing in 95, we had a government that actually liked our military.

 

[pbrauer]

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By insisting that no one should be giving Bush credit, you come off as want Obama to get all the credit. As for the Navy Seals, when the Republicans shutdown the government in 95, they got paid. Why was it different in 2011? I'm guessing in 95, we had a government that actually liked our military.

Six months after 911 Bush said he didn't care about Osama.

 

[SypherAL]

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Six months after 911 Bush said he didn't care about Osama.

Ahhh... the shift of attention era. This is where he does his best to shift Americas attention to Iraq, the new Nazi Germany! Forget Osama.... he killed 3,000 Americans, but its time to shift our empires attention on iraq! Those WMD's are out there somewhere! And people believe Bush's "intel" policies played a role in assisting obama? I think people forget we never found any WMD. Could it MAYBE just MAYBE be we would have a much lower national debt if we didn't engage in a war in which our government provided false intel to the American people? Oh heavens no... its that damn obama and his healthcare policies!

 

[Red Crow]

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[StillBallin75]

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I've been pretty critical of the President lately, but to the fair, it DID take guts to do what he did. He elected to go with a specops helo raid (which could've gone sooo wrong) rather than an airstrike.

Of course the ultimate credit still lies with intelligence and the SEAL boys who made this happen.

 

[Jetboogieman]

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I've been pretty critical of the President lately, but to the fair, it DID take guts to do what he did. He elected to go with a specops helo raid (which could've gone sooo wrong) rather than an airstrike.

Of course the ultimate credit still lies with intelligence and the SEAL boys who made this happen.

Well there's no point in defending Obama against that cartoon because he said nothing of the sort.

 

[tessaesque]

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Well there's no point in defending Obama against that cartoon because he said nothing of the sort.

I think the cartoon is funny. I don't agree with its implications, but it's still funny.

 

[Captain America]

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Not sure when you were watching, but Monday morning and Monday evening (from about 5:20-7pm central) I had FoxNews on and heard nothing but congratulations and accolades from every guest. I did hear supposition from guests regarding how quickly we discarded the body, I heard questions regarding whether or not Pakistan should be put at arms length now, I heard questions on when we knew what. But I never heard anybody say that Obama deserved no credit.

Links?

I agree. Hannity was trying to push the guests to go that route but even they didn't fall for his BS this time. There is no shortage of GOP'er's giving Obama his props. For once, it seems like we are all American's again.

 

[dontworrybehappy]

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I agree. Hannity was trying to push the guests to go that route but even they didn't fall for his BS this time. There is no shortage of GOP'er's giving Obama his props. For once, it seems like we are all American's again.

So can we all come to the agreement that the OP is a liberal bull**** talking point and has absolutely no basis in fact?

The fact that it's his opinion, with no facts or links to back it up, should have thrown up red flags everywhere. In fact, I think the OP borders on baiting.

 

[Slartibartfast]

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(by Jet's request, and in response to this silly picture).

This is what the president really said. If we look at all statements where the word I was used, we get these:

Source Transcript: Obama announces the death of Osama bin Laden

Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world, the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who's responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden

I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

I've made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam.

Tonight, I called President Zardari, and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts.

These efforts weigh on me every time I, as commander in chief, have to sign a letter to a family that has lost a loved one, or look into the eyes of a service member who's been gravely wounded.

And tonight, let us think back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11. I know that it has, at times, frayed. Yet today's achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people.

If anyone can point out where Obama is praising himself for the operation that took out Bin Laden. please do so, I even provided you the source material.

As a side note, this is contrasted with what I counted to be 9 statements of him praising either the military, intelligence agencies, or whatever else that played a role.

 

[Whovian]

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(by Jet's request, and in response to this silly picture).

This is what the president really said. If we look at all statements where the word I was used, we get these:

Source Transcript: Obama announces the death of Osama bin Laden



If anyone can point out there Obama is praising himself for the operation that took out Bin Laden. please do so, I even provided you the source material.

As a side note, this is contrasted with what I counted to be 9 statements of him praising either the military, intelligence agencies, or whatever else that played a role.

you all know how I feel about the President politically. However, even I can see that he did not make this about himself.

 

[disneydude]

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It was a tough decision to make. Obama gets all the credit for that. The military gets all the credit for perfect execution. President Bush gets all the credit for laying down The Yellow Brick Road.

Bush laid down the "yellow brick road"....puh-lease. Perhaps two bricks before he decided to build a detour to Iraq and use the yellow bricks to take our focus away from where it belonged.
Bush's yellow brick road would never have led to Bin Laden.....sorry.

 

[Boo Radley]

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no one has to give anyone credit, but what is the argument for giving Bush credit? There seems to be an underlining believe that torture, which Bush supported led to this capture. That is not neccessaily so:


Funny. You would think that if the C.I.A.’s interrogation of high-value detainees was all it took, the U.S. government would have succeeded in locating bin Laden before 2006, which is when the C.I.A.’s custody of so-called “high-value detainees” ended. Instead, after the Supreme Court ruled that year that prisoners needed to be treated humanely in compliance with the Geneva Conventions, the C.I.A. was forced to turn its special detainees over to the military for detention and interrogation using more lawful tactics in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. It took five more years before all the dots could be adequately connected.

Many key details are still missing. But according to the New York Times, the turning point came when detainees being held in Guantánamo—not in the C.I.A.’s secret black-site prisons—revealed to American interrogators the pseudonym used by a key bin Laden courier, whom they also identified as a protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.



Read more News Desk: Bin Laden Dead, Torture Debate Lives On : The New Yorker

So, if torture was ended in 2006, and we did not learn the name until 2007, this means that regular methods got us what torture couldn't. And if torture didn't get this, what did Bush do to get credit?

Not to mention, the real work came after that. Not by either president, but by professionals doing a professional job.

 

[Red Crow]

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I think the cartoon is funny. I don't agree with its implications, but it's still funny.

I really APPRECIATE you sense of humor my friend!! :lol:

 

[LuckyDan]

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(by Jet's request, and in response to this silly picture).

This is what the president really said. If we look at all statements where the word I was used, we get these:

Source Transcript: Obama announces the death of Osama bin Laden



If anyone can point out where Obama is praising himself for the operation that took out Bin Laden. please do so, I even provided you the source material.

As a side note, this is contrasted with what I counted to be 9 statements of him praising either the military, intelligence agencies, or whatever else that played a role.

Compare BO's announcement to W's after the capture of Saddam. Which would you say is more self-referential?

Good afternoon. Yesterday, December the 13th, at around 8:30 p.m. Baghdad time, United States military forces captured Saddam Hussein alive. He was found near a farmhouse outside the city of Tikrit, in a swift raid conducted without casualties. And now the former dictator of Iraq will face the justice he denied to millions.

The capture of this man was crucial to the rise of a free Iraq. It marks the end of the road for him, and for all who bullied and killed in his name. For the Baathist holdouts largely responsible for the current violence, there will be no return to the corrupt power and privilege they once held. For the vast majority of Iraqi citizens who wish to live as free men and women, this event brings further assurance that the torture chambers and the secret police are gone forever.

And this afternoon, I have a message for the Iraqi people: You will not have to fear the rule of Saddam Hussein ever again. All Iraqis who take the side of freedom have taken the winning side. The goals of our coalition are the same as your goals — sovereignty for your country, dignity for your great culture, and for every Iraqi citizen, the opportunity for a better life.

In the history of Iraq, a dark and painful era is over. A hopeful day has arrived. All Iraqis can now come together and reject violence and build a new Iraq.

The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq. The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the dictator's footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force. Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate 'em.

I also have a message for all Americans: The capture of Saddam Hussein does not mean the end of violence in Iraq. We still face terrorists who would rather go on killing the innocent than accept the rise of liberty in the heart of the Middle East. Such men are a direct threat to the American people, and they will be defeated.

We've come to this moment through patience and resolve and focused action. And that is our strategy moving forward. The war on terror is a different kind of war, waged capture by capture, cell by cell, and victory by victory. Our security is assured by our perseverance and by our sure belief in the success of liberty. And the United States of America will not relent until this war is won.

May God bless the people of Iraq, and may God bless America.

Thank you.

Speech on the Capture of Saddam Hussein - Wikisource

 

[tlmorg02]

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By insisting that no one should be giving Bush credit, you come off as want Obama to get all the credit. As for the Navy Seals, when the Republicans shutdown the government in 95, they got paid. Why was it different in 2011? I'm guessing in 95, we had a government that actually liked our military.

You want to give Obama all the credit for the financial meltdown and let Bush off clean don't you?

 

[Whovian]

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Compare BO's announcement to W's after the capture of Saddam. Which would you say is more self-referential?



Speech on the Capture of Saddam Hussein - Wikisource

neither speech is about the man giving it.

 

[Slartibartfast]

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Compare BO's announcement to W's after the capture of Saddam. Which would you say is more self-referential?



Speech on the Capture of Saddam Hussein - Wikisource

Neither really. Both were about the mission and giving thanks to those who did a good job.