FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods

[Nickyjo]

Don't worry about it. The problem that the progressives are having in dealing with Trump is that he expropriated many of their ideas, and they yet don't know what to do about it, short of yelling 'fascist.'

Look at post #18.

Yelling fascist at Trump is probably unproductive as an argument, but valid as a description of his tendencies.

 

[Gatsby]

The thing here is that the Democrats have long been the party of protectionism and tariffs.

Maybe 40 years ago, sure. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama (and Jed Bartlet) were free traders and they wisely moved Democrats away from protectionism.

 

[Jason Warfield]

FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods​

An old video of Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., urging Congress to retaliate against China’s tariffs against the United States is going viral for how much it sounds like President Donald Trump’s current tariff policies.

The video, recorded on the House floor in June 1996, featured the lawmaker urging her colleagues to fight against the "status quo" trade policies that had contributed to America’s trade deficit with China. She specifically called on lawmakers to address the fact that American tariffs on Chinese goods paled in comparison to Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods.

"In terms of tariffs, it’s interesting to note that the average U.S. MFN [Most Favored Nation] tariff on Chinese goods coming into the United States is two percent, whereas the average MFN tariff on U.S. goods going into China is 35 percent."

The congresswoman asked, "Is that reciprocal?" She also went on to call the U.S.-China trade relationship a "job loser."..................

FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods

Old videos show Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., defending the use of U.S. tariffs to protect U.S. workers, while today they oppose Trump's tariffs.

www.foxnews.com

Thank you for showing this because once you get into context, you realize how much of a moron Trump is.

1996: 5th year of economic expansion, low inflation and 2.5% in GDP for America. in China, there was growth, but no worthwhile foreign investment, had a debt emergency on their credit and other Asian economies were outpacing China. When Pelosi was calling for tariffs, there was a strategy to it, we were dealing from a position of strength by having a stable, growing economy

Today: we very slowly coming out of an economic hole, still in a trade war with China, we are not in a position of strength, we have a president who has started a tariff/trade war with the world that has massively damaged our economy and there does not seem to be a strategy, the stock market is in shambles, our government is being gutted...and we trying to take on the world with a leader who does not know what he is doing save to placate his own ego.

This is not a smoking gun. There is no hypocrisy in what Pelosi did. You do not have a "gotcha moment" here.

 

[roguenuke]

30 years ago........................................​

I was smoking weed. Anyone want to discuss what I was doing or saying or suggesting 30 years ago??

I was in high school.

 

[upsideguy]

But it's false. He wasn't that was media lie you just believe because you are ideologically captured. You want Trump to be a villain so you believe anything said about him that's negative.



No it was not.

You are ideologically captured. It's no use talking to you. You have been brainwashed.

I did. Your devotion to your cult is admirable but it has mislead you.

They were all lies.

Because liars told you so a and your bigotry clouds your judgment

Well there is no common ground you and I will never agree so no use continuing this.

It's a fruitless endeavor and I will not consider any thing you say on the topic in the future.

Now you are diving into a fact-free land as everyone of the representations I just made were determinations made by a court have hearing all evidence, with plenty of opportunity of cross examination. As a result, a court determination, each of these things are indeed facts....

• Trump was found legally culpable for an insurrection
• Trump was found legally culpable for sexual assault
• Trump was found legally culpable for over-inflating property values

I am not "ideologically captured", I have read many of these cases and am happy to post them. There is nothing ideological about the "truth"..... its objectively provable. Have you read any of the court cases that determined the above? or are you in hiding from the truth? Do you need to see the court findings? They exist. Again, I can produce them. Nonetheless, they are court determinations, hence are facts. To call them lies is actually a lie.... its living in a false reality.

As to Trump being in possession of government documents, this is also highly evidenced, hence you can not call it a lie.

You have yet to produce any actual lie perpetrated by the media. You are just calling things the are objectively true "lies" as it seems to me and I am sure most people reading this sub-thread, you can't deal in truth. The fact that YOU can not deal in truth does not make the truth's lies, it just means you often are threatened by the truth.

So, you have yet to prove your allegation that the media lies about Trump; in fact, you haven't posted a single thing that one could argue was a lie (as there is strong evidence to support the truth of every one of those things you decreed as a lie), instead all you have shown us is that you don't like hearing certain things about Trump.

 

[CLAX1911]

Now you are diving into a fact-free land as everyone of the representations I just made were determinations made by a court have hearing all evidence, with plenty of opportunity of cross examination. As a result, a court determination, each of these things are indeed facts....

• Trump was found legally culpable for an insurrection
• Trump was found legally culpable for sexual assault
• Trump was found legally culpable for over-inflating property values

I am not "ideologically captured", I have read many of these cases and am happy to post them. There is nothing ideological about the "truth"..... its objectively provable. Have you read any of the court cases that determined the above? or are you in hiding from the truth? Do you need to see the court findings? They exist. Again, I can produce them. Nonetheless, they are court determinations, hence are facts. To call them lies is actually a lie.... its living in a false reality.

As to Trump being in possession of government documents, this is also highly evidenced, hence you can not call it a lie.

You have yet to produce any actual lie perpetrated by the media. You are just calling things the are objectively true "lies" as it seems to me and I am sure most people reading this sub-thread, you can't deal in truth. The fact that YOU can not deal in truth does not make the truth's lies, it just means you often are threatened by the truth.

So, you have yet to prove your allegation that the media lies about Trump; in fact, you haven't posted a single thing that one could argue was a lie (as there is strong evidence to support the truth of every one of those things you decreed as a lie), instead all you have shown us is that you don't like hearing certain things about Trump.

There is no point here you believe falsehoods.

 

[BirdinHand]

30 years ago, I was in my junior year of high school - walking around wearing a pager on my hip and going cruising with my girlfriends on the weekends if there wasn’t a school dance, movie, party in the woods with a keg, etc.

We’d stop and use a payphone if we got a message on one of our pagers that was worthy of spending the quarter on the call back.

The world has changed quite a bit in 30 years

 

[Athanasius68]

Maybe 40 years ago, sure. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama (and Jed Bartlet) were free traders and they wisely moved Democrats away from protectionism.

Then they have a great opening.

But I don't think they will take. Those sympathetic with Bernie Sanders have a lot of power within the party.

 

[dockside]

A tariff strategy against China is not inherently bad if there is yah know, a strategy.

Tariffs can be a tool when combined with industrial policy that can be effective if there is a specific industry that you wish to address.

I have no problem with trying to curb Chinas rise and to temper its ambition.

But to do so requires smart strategy and it requires allies and instead what do we get?

Blanket tariffs on China AND on your allies (as well as the rest of the world), as well as threatening the sovereign territory of some of those allies with annexation...

So I'm not sure what's accomplished by bringing this up.

Plus, she was addressing the issue legally. It's Congress's responsibility and Congress has the authority, not the president.

 

[Athanasius68]

Plus, she was addressing the issue legally. It's Congress's responsibility and Congress has the authority, not the president.

False. The law allows a president to impose tariffs.
They delegated the authority to him.
'

 

[Jetboogieman]

False. The law allows a president to impose tariffs.
They delegated the authority to him.
'

Should they have done so?

 

[Athanasius68]

Should they have done so?

No. But Ms. Pelosi had no objection to doing do.
And wanted the president to exercise that authority.
Which was the point of the OP.

Naturally, the legal pushback to the tariffs have come from a conservative group.
Progressives have no problem with the president as 'king' here.

 

[upsideguy]

There is no point here you believe falsehoods.

Again, each of those items listed are actual facts OR have substantial evidence supporting such that you can not call the conclusion a lie, even if you don't agree.

As a result of court determination (verdict), each of these things are indeed facts....

• Trump was found legally culpable for an insurrection
• Trump was found legally culpable for sexual assault
• Trump was found legally culpable for over-inflating property values

So, below are not news items (though there are a few so you can see what you are looking at), but the actual source documents supporting the claim:

Responsible for insurrection:
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023 Final Order.pdf
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-REPORT/pdf/GPO-J6-REPORT.pdf
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3325/text

Held government documents he should not have held:
https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump-Nauta_23-80101.pdf

Inflated assets:

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2024/02/nyag-v-trump-verdict-20240216.pdf

https://news.yahoo.com/york-judge-arrived-staggering-disgorgement-205509489.html

Trump Committed Fraud By Inflating His Assets, Judge Rules

New York Attorney General Letitia James has argued Trump inflated his net worth by $3.6 billion.

www.forbes.com

NYAG - Trump Fraud Memo 8.30.23

www.documentcloud.org

Trump found responsible of sexual assault:

2nd Circuit affirms $5 million judgment against Donald Trump in E. Jean Carroll sexual assault case

The president-elect unsuccessfully argued that jurors in his civil defamation and sexual abuse trial were erroneously shown evidence of other sexual assault charges, including the infamous 2005 Access Hollywood tape.

www.courthousenews.com

Trump liable for denying writer E. Jean Carroll’s rape accusation, judge rules

A jury’s verdict finding Donald Trump liable for sexual abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll controls in the defamation case at issue, the judge determined.

www.courthousenews.com

So you have yet to produce a single "lie" perpetrated by the media, all you have shown all of us is that you seemingly live in a reality void of facts. Is seems when the truth comes a knockin', you hide and call it a lie.

Conclusion: The media doesn't lie about Trump. You have yet to show a single instance of their lying (which was a layup, because you could find some instances of exaggeration). All you have given us are statements that are actually true, but you don't want to hear it. Therefore, it safe to conclude that its YOU that lives a self-induced (without fact) lie where Trump is just an innocent guy that is misunderstood. You can't seem to deal in truth when it comes to Trump.

 

[Gardener]

FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods​

An old video of Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., urging Congress to retaliate against China’s tariffs against the United States is going viral for how much it sounds like President Donald Trump’s current tariff policies.

The video, recorded on the House floor in June 1996, featured the lawmaker urging her colleagues to fight against the "status quo" trade policies that had contributed to America’s trade deficit with China. She specifically called on lawmakers to address the fact that American tariffs on Chinese goods paled in comparison to Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods.

"In terms of tariffs, it’s interesting to note that the average U.S. MFN [Most Favored Nation] tariff on Chinese goods coming into the United States is two percent, whereas the average MFN tariff on U.S. goods going into China is 35 percent."

The congresswoman asked, "Is that reciprocal?" She also went on to call the U.S.-China trade relationship a "job loser."..................

FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods

Old videos show Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., defending the use of U.S. tariffs to protect U.S. workers, while today they oppose Trump's tariffs.

www.foxnews.com

This was back when the Democrat party was an American party instead of serving the World Economic Forum.

 

[CLAX1911]

Again, each of those items listed are actual facts OR have substantial evidence supporting such that you can not call the conclusion a lie, even if you don't agree.

As a result of court determination (verdict), each of these things are indeed facts....

• Trump was found legally culpable for an insurrection
• Trump was found legally culpable for sexual assault
• Trump was found legally culpable for over-inflating property values

So, below are not news items (though there are a few so you can see what you are looking at), but the actual source documents supporting the claim:

Responsible for insurrection:
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023 Final Order.pdf
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-REPORT/pdf/GPO-J6-REPORT.pdf
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3325/text

Held government documents he should not have held:
https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump-Nauta_23-80101.pdf

Inflated assets:

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2024/02/nyag-v-trump-verdict-20240216.pdf

https://news.yahoo.com/york-judge-arrived-staggering-disgorgement-205509489.html

Trump Committed Fraud By Inflating His Assets, Judge Rules

New York Attorney General Letitia James has argued Trump inflated his net worth by $3.6 billion.

www.forbes.com

NYAG - Trump Fraud Memo 8.30.23

www.documentcloud.org

Trump found responsible of sexual assault:

2nd Circuit affirms $5 million judgment against Donald Trump in E. Jean Carroll sexual assault case

The president-elect unsuccessfully argued that jurors in his civil defamation and sexual abuse trial were erroneously shown evidence of other sexual assault charges, including the infamous 2005 Access Hollywood tape.

www.courthousenews.com

Trump liable for denying writer E. Jean Carroll’s rape accusation, judge rules

A jury’s verdict finding Donald Trump liable for sexual abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll controls in the defamation case at issue, the judge determined.

www.courthousenews.com

So you have yet to produce a single "lie" perpetrated by the media, all you have shown all of us is that you seemingly live in a reality void of facts. Is seems when the truth comes a knockin', you hide and call it a lie.

Conclusion: The media doesn't lie about Trump. You have yet to show a single instance of their lying (which was a layup, because you could find some instances of exaggeration). All you have given us are statements that are actually true, but you don't want to hear it. Therefore, it safe to conclude that its YOU that lives a self-induced (without fact) lie where Trump is just an innocent guy that is misunderstood. You can't seem to deal in truth when it comes to Trump.

You believe falsehoods it is like cult for you. I'm not going to convert you out of this. I don't care about the religion you've built around it I'm not part of it.

 

[AZRWinger]

When were we suffering?

Grocery prices up an average of 25% thanks to Bidenomics. Dependence on China for pharmaceutical manufacturing. Kim Jung Biden waived trade restrictions on green energy equipment allowing them to dump on the US market. Even the vaunted Covid-19 test kits the Biden regime touted were manufactured in China. But don't worry, there was no suffering mortgaging our children's futures.

Everything seemed pretty normal until the Orange Clown took office.

Normalcy being the occasional staged complaint about other nations unfairly freezing out US exports while we opened our markets to them. No meaningful action was taken prior to Trump's first term.

Now America is a dumpster fire.

Thanks MAGA.

The beneficiaries of Uncle Sucker, America last policy are pushing back in displeasure at disruptions to their looting of the US. The hysterical, dramatic Chicken Little pronouncements are expected. Real reform is always opposed by those profiting from the corruption.

 

[What if...?]

Grocery prices up an average of 25% thanks to Bidenomics. Dependence on China for pharmaceutical manufacturing. Kim Jung Biden waived trade restrictions on green energy equipment allowing them to dump on the US market. Even the vaunted Covid-19 test kits the Biden regime touted were manufactured in China. But don't worry, there was no suffering mortgaging our children's futures.

Normalcy being the occasional staged complaint about other nations unfairly freezing out US exports while we opened our markets to them. No meaningful action was taken prior to Trump's first term.

The beneficiaries of Uncle Sucker, America last policy are pushing back in displeasure at disruptions to their looting of the US. The hysterical, dramatic Chicken Little pronouncements are expected. Real reform is always opposed by those profiting from the corruption.

Funny how you say all that but the economy was doing great until your lord and savior took over.

Now we have problems that will take a long time to overcome regardless of what happens going forward.

At least penguin shit is really cheap so the penguin tariffs won’t hurt us much.

 

[What if...?]

Grocery prices up an average of 25% thanks to Bidenomics. Dependence on China for pharmaceutical manufacturing. Kim Jung Biden waived trade restrictions on green energy equipment allowing them to dump on the US market. Even the vaunted Covid-19 test kits the Biden regime touted were manufactured in China. But don't worry, there was no suffering mortgaging our children's futures.

Normalcy being the occasional staged complaint about other nations unfairly freezing out US exports while we opened our markets to them. No meaningful action was taken prior to Trump's first term.

The beneficiaries of Uncle Sucker, America last policy are pushing back in displeasure at disruptions to their looting of the US. The hysterical, dramatic Chicken Little pronouncements are expected. Real reform is always opposed by those profiting from the corruption.

Theo only folks who are gonna benefit are the billionaire class.

Any gains will be immediately given as tax cuts to them.

And the only thing that will trickle down nobody wants to get on them.

The only good thing will be when it hits MAGA and they cry and we get to laugh and laugh.

Keep whistling. You’ll get past the graveyard. Or you’ll be nearby if you die waiting.

 

[CLAX1911]

Funny how you say all that but the economy was doing great until your lord and savior took over.

It's doing well things are becoming cheaper gasoline prices are going down.

Now we have problems that will take a long time to overcome regardless of what happens going forward.

At least penguin shit is really cheap so the penguin tariffs won’t hurt us much.

This penguin thing really sticks in your craw.

 

[upsideguy]

You believe falsehoods it is like cult for you. I'm not going to convert you out of this. I don't care about the religion you've built around it I'm not part of it.

Let's recap for our viewing audience. I just presented you with facts and support for the facts -- source documentation. Not news reports; to support my points that

As a result of court determination (verdict), each of these things are indeed facts....

• Trump was found legally culpable for an insurrection - therefore he is an insurrectionist.
• Trump was found legally culpable for sexual assault - therefore he is a sex offender
• Trump was found legally culpable for over-inflating property values - therefore he is a fraudster (not his first offense, in fact, he was criminally guilty of 34 elements of fraud).

You gave us ------------ what? nothing but impressions, emotional answers. Not very impressive.

I am not here to convince you, you seem to be a full-time proud resident of the alternate reality in which you live. I did, however, completely eviscerate your claim of certain lies about Trump. 95% of people reading this sub-thread (those that are not your neighbor in your fact-free town) will see your claim about the media lying about Trump to be merely your inability to deal in truth as you gave them nothing to prove your point, while I provided source documents (generally not analysis of sources, but the actual sources) to back up my assertions, which were confined to Trump's loses in court that determined him to be an insurrectionist, sex offender and repeat fraudster. I didn't even make the argument the Trump is all things that God detests; that is another discussion. He is a very bad dude.

Look, you can like Trump. I am not taking that away from you. But you don't get to say that the above items are lies, because they are not. The only lie is the one you tell yourself and here when you dismiss that actual facts, as per above. Let's call it a day. You can have the last word, if you dare. I think you are now wanted at your community meeting.


L

 

[soap box]

It's doing well things are becoming cheaper gasoline prices are going down.

This penguin thing really sticks in your craw.

The penguins lol. Do you understand why this is a problem? They imposed tariffs on countries based on AI, and they never checked it. That's a problem. They should be able to do something like this without AI, but they couldn't. And they didn't know enough to check the AI results.

In addition to that, our allies are pissed and the percentages for tariffs are super high. But you support this, and defend the trump anyway.

 

[stealthycat]

tariff's are great when Democrats do them

not when Trump does them

 

[bubbabgone]

When were we suffering?

Everything seemed pretty normal until the Orange Clown took office.

Now America is a dumpster fire.

Thanks MAGA.

This was not normal.

 

[What if...?]

It's doing well things are becoming cheaper gasoline prices are going down.

This penguin thing really sticks in your craw.

And that simple fact doesn’t bother you in the slightest.

You actually think a plan that included that, and other, glaring errors was well thought out.

Not sure how you can do that except trump devotion syndrome.

 

[What if...?]

This View attachment 67564297 was not normal.

Neither is trump.

But while ignorant and low intelligence he is cunning and has charisma. Cunning and charisma has carried many out of their depth in history.

He often loses his train of thought. But he figured out all he had to do when it happens is holler some catchphrase and use the applause break to get back on track.

And he’s got yall on lock. Most of MAGA could catch him mushroom deep in their sons and all they’d do is get him a warm towel to clean up afterwards.

He can literally do no wrong.