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FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods

SNOWFLAKE said:

30 years ago........................................​


I was smoking weed. Anyone want to discuss what I was doing or saying or suggesting 30 years ago??
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Well there you go.
It really does have long terms effects on the brain.
 
soap box said:
The penguins lol. Do you understand why this is a problem? They imposed tariffs on countries based on AI, and they never checked it. That's a problem. They should be able to do something like this without AI, but they couldn't. And they didn't know enough to check the AI results.

In addition to that, our allies are pissed and the percentages for tariffs are super high. But you support this, and defend the trump anyway.
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Who told you that?
 
soap box said:
The penguins lol.
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She can put a 5 million percent tariff on this island and it doesn't matter because penguins don't export anything.
soap box said:
Do you understand why this is a problem?
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For who the penguins? What do you think they export
soap box said:
They imposed tariffs on countries based on AI, and they never checked it. That's a problem.
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Because you're a consumer of penguin goods?
soap box said:
They should be able to do something like this without AI, but they couldn't. And they didn't know enough to check the AI results.
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Because the penguin economy is going to go into the toilet? They don't export anything.
soap box said:
In addition to that, our allies are pissed and the percentages for tariffs are super high. But you support this, and defend the trump anyway.
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I'm not sure that I support it. Not acting like they just started world war XI is fundamentally different than supporting. I like the end goal why they're doing this. Nothing you don't seem to acknowledge because you're hung up on all the expensive imports from the penguins.
 
bubbabgone said:
Who told you that?
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Read it in a newspaper. But first, there are several clues. If an AI detector like Quill.com comes to the conclusion that a text doesn't make sense, it will decide that the text is 100% human. That shows AI is not able to judge everything that humans discuss. AI can be useful but even the most sophisticated models must be checked and verified. If not, we get a mess like this one. First the formula was what aspiring fact checkers discovered last week when they went to AI to check the Trump formula. This makes sense to AI, but the numbers were extremely heavy handed, but no one at the white house stopped to consider the consequences. Nobody stopped to review what they about to demand. Besides the absurd misunderstanding that a little country like Vietnam can't possible buy enough US goods to balance the trade deficit.

There are several countries on the list that they never heard of before. The results were a AI hallucination.

Penguins -
They didn't review or understand the results. SO I don't criticize them for consulting AI, but I fault them for choosing to depend on AI when real people could have come up with better answers. I definitely condemn trump for failing to examine what he was about to demand. Obviously , he didn't review what he was announcing. Otherwise, why would they announce tariffs on a island that doesn't have an economy?

www.theguardian.com

Trump imposes tariffs on uninhabited Heard and McDonald Islands near Antarctica

Australian prime minister surprised after remote external territories – including islands home to penguins – targeted by US president
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Hey! how about your fearless leader slapping the hell out of Lesotho! that'll show em!

Hey ! look how trump beat up on Leichenstien!

Hey , wow look how he really bossed around Nauru! I bet that'll make a difference !

AI -
Financial journalist and author James Surowiecki wrote on social media: "Just figured out where these fake tariff rates come from. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us.

"It's also important to understand that the tariff rates that foreign countries are supposedly charging us are just made-up numbers," he added. "South Korea, with which we have a trade agreement, is not charging a 50 percent tariff on U.S. exports. Nor is the EU charging a 39 percent tariff."

www.newsweek.com

Did Trump admin use ChatGPT to allocate tariffs? What we know

Critics said that AIs such as ChatGPT gave the same technique used by the White House when asked to design a global tariff policy.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
 
CLAX1911 said:
She can put a 5 million percent tariff on this island and it doesn't matter because penguins don't export anything.

For who the penguins? What do you think they export

Because you're a consumer of penguin goods?

Because the penguin economy is going to go into the toilet? They don't export anything.

I'm not sure that I support it. Not acting like they just started world war XI is fundamentally different than supporting. I like the end goal why they're doing this. Nothing you don't seem to acknowledge because you're hung up on all the expensive imports from the penguins.
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I didn't pick a deserted island, Trump and his AI did. That's why it's dumb.That shows that trump doesn't know what hes doing, but you support him and his crappy plan even if it doesn't make sense.
 
libertyrose said:

FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods​


An old video of Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., urging Congress to retaliate against China’s tariffs against the United States is going viral for how much it sounds like President Donald Trump’s current tariff policies.

The video, recorded on the House floor in June 1996, featured the lawmaker urging her colleagues to fight against the "status quo" trade policies that had contributed to America’s trade deficit with China. She specifically called on lawmakers to address the fact that American tariffs on Chinese goods paled in comparison to Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods.

"In terms of tariffs, it’s interesting to note that the average U.S. MFN [Most Favored Nation] tariff on Chinese goods coming into the United States is two percent, whereas the average MFN tariff on U.S. goods going into China is 35 percent."

The congresswoman asked, "Is that reciprocal?" She also went on to call the U.S.-China trade relationship a "job loser."..................

www.foxnews.com

FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods

Old videos show Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., defending the use of U.S. tariffs to protect U.S. workers, while today they oppose Trump's tariffs.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Tariff policy when used judiciously and well targeted can be effective BUT that’s is NOT what is taking place here.

We have here the dumpster fire of wide scale, no targeting, blanket tariffs combined either the “winning” strategy of turning our allies into adversaries by threatening sovereign nations with annexing their land.

It’s asinine. Literally.

It’s the economic and foreign policy of a petulant “enfant terrible” throwing a temper tantrum.

Coming from a grown up, combined with what Musk is doing, it’s like the pair of them are deliberately trying to simultaneously crash the federal government and the economy.
 
soap box said:
Read it in a newspaper. But first, there are several clues. If an AI detector like Quill.com comes to the conclusion that a text doesn't make sense, it will decide that the text is 100% human. That shows AI is not able to judge everything that humans discuss. AI can be useful but even the most sophisticated models must be checked and verified. If not, we get a mess like this one. First the formula was what aspiring fact checkers discovered last week when they went to AI to check the Trump formula. This makes sense to AI, but the numbers were extremely heavy handed, but no one at the white house stopped to consider the consequences. Nobody stopped to review what they about to demand. Besides the absurd misunderstanding that a little country like Vietnam can't possible buy enough US goods to balance the trade deficit.

There are several countries on the list that they never heard of before. The results were a AI hallucination.

Penguins -
They didn't review or understand the results. SO I don't criticize them for consulting AI, but I fault them for choosing to depend on AI when real people could have come up with better answers. I definitely condemn trump for failing to examine what he was about to demand. Obviously , he didn't review what he was announcing. Otherwise, why would they announce tariffs on a island that doesn't have an economy?

www.theguardian.com

Trump imposes tariffs on uninhabited Heard and McDonald Islands near Antarctica

Australian prime minister surprised after remote external territories – including islands home to penguins – targeted by US president
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Hey! how about your fearless leader slapping the hell out of Lesotho! that'll show em!

Hey ! look how trump beat up on Leichenstien!

Hey , wow look how he really bossed around Nauru! I bet that'll make a difference !

AI -
Financial journalist and author James Surowiecki wrote on social media: "Just figured out where these fake tariff rates come from. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us.

"It's also important to understand that the tariff rates that foreign countries are supposedly charging us are just made-up numbers," he added. "South Korea, with which we have a trade agreement, is not charging a 50 percent tariff on U.S. exports. Nor is the EU charging a 39 percent tariff."

www.newsweek.com

Did Trump admin use ChatGPT to allocate tariffs? What we know

Critics said that AIs such as ChatGPT gave the same technique used by the White House when asked to design a global tariff policy.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
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Did you stop to wonder if there was perhaps a more logical reason for tariffs on islands claimed by Australia and inhabited by penguins ?
You should’ve spent some time asking yourself that obvious question.
Check it out. There’s a reason. A good one.
 
bubbabgone said:
Did you stop to wonder if there was perhaps a more logical reason for tariffs on islands claimed by Australia and inhabited by penguins ?
You should’ve spent some time asking yourself that obvious question.
Check it out. There’s a reason. A good one.
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You must be talking about the white house lie where they claim that shipping will claim their exports come from that island, which is stupid because there are no docks or facilities there and it is easy to ignore and charge the importer the tariff from the country of origin. Is that the dumb white house lie you're talking about?

And your objection doesn't explain examples like Nauru and Lesotho.
 
soap box said:
You must be talking about the white house lie where they claim that shipping will claim their exports come from that island, which is stupid because there are no docks or facilities there and it is easy to ignore and charge the importer the tariff from the country of origin. Is that the dumb white house lie you're talking about?

And your objection doesn't explain examples like Nauru and Lesotho.
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Tariffs were applied EVERYWHERE so as to avoid the loopholes.
 
soap box said:
You must be talking about the white house lie where they claim that shipping will claim their exports come from that island, which is stupid because there are no docks or facilities there and it is easy to ignore and charge the importer the tariff from the country of origin. Is that the dumb white house lie you're talking about?

And your objection doesn't explain examples like Nauru and Lesotho.
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www.cbsnews.com

Howard Lutnick says AI wasn't used to calculate Trump's tariffs: "There are no countries left off"

Remote territories like Heard Island and McDonald Islands, home to penguins but no humans, weren't spared from President Trump's sweeping tariff list last week.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
libertyrose said:

FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods​


An old video of Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., urging Congress to retaliate against China’s tariffs against the United States is going viral for how much it sounds like President Donald Trump’s current tariff policies.
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libertyrose said:
The video, recorded on the House floor in June 1996, featured the lawmaker urging her colleagues to fight against the "status quo" trade policies that had contributed to America’s trade deficit with China. She specifically called on lawmakers to address the fact that American tariffs on Chinese goods paled in comparison to Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods.


"In terms of tariffs, it’s interesting to note that the average U.S. MFN [Most Favored Nation] tariff on Chinese goods coming into the United States is two percent, whereas the average MFN tariff on U.S. goods going into China is 35 percent."

The congresswoman asked, "Is that reciprocal?" She also went on to call the U.S.-China trade relationship a "job loser."..................

www.foxnews.com

FLASHBACK: 30 years ago, Nancy Pelosi demanded Congress confront Chinese tariffs on American goods

Old videos show Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., defending the use of U.S. tariffs to protect U.S. workers, while today they oppose Trump's tariffs.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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leonardo laughing.webp
 
bubbabgone said:
Tariffs were applied EVERYWHERE so as to avoid the loopholes.
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It's based country of origin, "made in". No importer pays a tariff based on the last country it passed through. Especially islands that don't have ports or runways.


This was not normal.
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That's called a deep fake.

bubbabgone said:
Typical and expected.
When confronted with uncomfortable truths they just call them lies.
Oh yes, I do know Lefties.
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This is funny. No nation imposes tariffs based on where the ship left port. It's based on the country of origin. There is no loophole.

If a oven is manufactured in China, it doesn't matter how many other countries it passed through, it's still made in China and the importer pays the China tariff because that's the country of origin. Trump and you didn't know that and you fell for his lie just like always. You're wrong and trump lied.
 
soap box said:
It's based country of origin, "made in". No importer pays a tariff based on the last country it passed through. Especially islands that don't have ports or runways.



That's called a deep fake.



This is funny. No nation imposes tariffs based on where the ship left port. It's based on the country of origin. There is no loophole.

If a oven is manufactured in China, it doesn't matter how many other countries it passed through, it's still made in China and the importer pays the China tariff because that's the country of origin. Trump and you didn't know that and you fell for his lie just like always. You're wrong and trump lied.
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Eewww.
For a Party loyalist who insisted for 4 years that Joe was sharp as a tack, you should be careful considering that humongous lie you fell for.
 
bubbabgone said:
Eewww.
For a Party loyalist who insisted for 4 years that Joe was sharp as a tack, you should be careful considering that humongous lie you fell for.
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So now you understand tariffs better. And you realize that Trump and the WHite House lied to you. Good to hear that you now know.
 
soap box said:
So now you understand tariffs better. And you realize that Trump and the WHite House lied to you. Good to hear that you now know.
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Nope. You should read more about what countries do to avoid tariffs in the real world
and try to understand the implications of what you read.
And yes, I did notice you avoided acknowledging the Biden lie.
And I bet you will continue to. Let’s watch.
 
bubbabgone said:
Nope. You should read more about what countries do to avoid tariffs in the real world
and try to understand the implications of what you read.
And yes, I did notice you avoided acknowledging the Biden lie.
And I bet you will continue to. Let’s watch.
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I'm glad you learned more about tariffs today. Now you know to not repeat Trump's lies.
 
libertyrose said:
So explain how you conclude that all conservatives are MAGA?? Returner in disguise? No. Actually I have been a member of a pretty conservative forum for quite a few years. I wanted to get different perspectives and like to read ideas of others and so I'm partaking in this forum.

I sense hostility directed at me which is both sad and silly -- you don't know me and I just started posting in here. To each his own.
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You've been a member for six years and you're just getting started now?

I don't know about hostility but people here don't hold back.

Maybe grow some skin
 
Mycroft said:
The problem now is that, because of inaction over the last 40 years, not only do we have problems with China, but we also have problems with our "allies".

During Trump's first term, he focused on the larger problem...China. But he also had intentions to deal with our allies, especially the EU, too. Well, we know he got interrupted and things got much worse during that interruption so now he has to deal with ALL of it as quickly as possible.

That's what he's doing right now.
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"...............not only do we have problems with China, but we also have problems with our "allies".

Then don't kick your allies in the balls like you did Canada!

Jesus,now you're playing victim after STARTING the fight!
 
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