Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

[TheNextEra]

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He was TOLD by police to NOT get out of his car and chase the kid. On the tape we hear Zimmerman panting as he chases after the kid. Then Zimmerman says 'f-ing coon'.

All a security officer can do is observe and report. He chased the boy with malice and intent to stop him--as he stated 'they always get away.' He murdered a 17-year-old boy--IMO--and should be put in jail.

There has been some debate about who was calling for help. I would lean toward the one w/o gun.

Ok, first off he was told by a police dispatcher that his help was not needed. He was not ordered by a police officer.

Secondly, we don't know what kind of struggle happened. The police officer even stated that Zimmerman's back was wet indicating that his back was on the ground. We don't know who for sure started the scuffle.

Did Zimmerman put himself in a situation where the black kid could have assaulted him out of fear and then was shot? Yes.

Could Zimmerman have murdered the kid? Yes

Do we know for sure? No, and that is the fault of the police who didn't question Zimmerman.

 

[VanceMack]

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Please get your facts straight. He was not "told" by the police not to follow him.
Keeping someone under observation until police arrived is not inciting anything.
And he did stop following him.
As he was on his way back to his truck he was attacked by Trayvon.


Your narrative is off.

Besides, there is no reason to "flip the script".
Feelings are not at issue here.

Im sorry...did you LISTEN to the transcript? He was told very directly and in fact the dispatcher made a very clear point of it. The actual audio and facts dont fit what you 'want' it to be. A 17 year old kid is dead for the crime of walking home in his own neighborhood following a trip to a convenience store. He was stalked and harassed by a neighborhood watchman for one reason...one reason alone.

 

[apdst]

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He was TOLD by police to NOT get out of his car and chase the kid. On the tape we hear Zimmerman panting as he chases after the kid. Then Zimmerman says 'f-ing coon'.

All a security officer can do is observe and report. He chased the boy with malice and intent to stop him--as he stated 'they always get away.' He murdered a 17-year-old boy--IMO--and should be put in jail.

There has been some debate about who was calling for help. I would lean toward the one w/o gun.

Yet another version of the story.

I have a hard time believing that a 17 y/o kid couldn't outrun a 28 y/o fat body.

 

[Thunder]

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Oh, BTW "George" in the Latino community is a two syllable word with H sounds, for you who so enjoying slamming him because you like the race of the other guy better.

Latino...is not a race. The man is white.

 

[Excon]

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injured vet...im guessing a head injury then based on this utter rubbish your posting.

I care not what you think of me personally.
But you have crossed a line and have gotten personal, I have reported you.
This type of comment is uncalled for.

 

[apdst]

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Oh, BTW "George" in the Latino community is a two syllable word with H sounds, for you who so enjoying slamming him because you like the race of the other guy better.

It's the only argument they have. Cut'em some slack. :rofl

 

[Thunder]

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Yet another version of the story.

I have a hard time believing that a 17 y/o kid couldn't outrun a 28 y/o fat body.

this was in Florida. he didn't have to run away.

he was legally allowed to stand his ground. and he did.

and now he's dead.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

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But the kid confronted him first as evidenced from the girlfriend's statement.

cite, please

 

[apdst]

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sorry you probably misunderstood, we wouldnt be talking about this because Zimmerman would of been arrested at the scene and it would of been local news worthy only.

A black kid was killed. The only thing that would quell any argument, would be Zimmerman behind bars and on this way to the gas chamber. No jury, no trial, no nothing.

 

[joko104]

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Im sorry...did you LISTEN to the transcript? He was told very directly and in fact the dispatcher made a very clear point of it. The actual audio and facts dont fit what you 'want' it to be. A 17 year old kid is dead for the crime of walking home in his own neighborhood following a trip to a convenience store. He was stalked and harassed by a neighborhood watchman for one reason...one reason alone.

A dispatcher is just a telephone receptionist, not "the police," nor told him to do or not do anything. I commonly ignore them, but that's somewhat a different matter.

 

[Thunder]

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A black kid was killed. The only thing that would quell any argument, would be Zimmerman behind bars and on this way to the gas chamber. No jury, no trial, no nothing.

what would you like, Zimmerman given a parade for being a hero and removing a menace to society?

 

[Thunder]

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A dispatcher is just a telephone receptionist, not "the police," nor told him to do or not do anything. I commonly ignore them, but that's somewhat a different matter.

in many places, 911 dispatchers actually are Peace Officers.

 

[Redress]

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I care not what you think of me personally.
But you have crossed a line and have gotten personal, I have reported you.
This type of comment is uncalled for.

Moderator's Warning:

If you feel a post violates the rules, report it and do not discuss it inthread. Everyone, tone done the rhetoric a little bit please. I realize these type issues make emotions run high, but let's keep it a little more civil. Thank you.

 

[apdst]

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this was in Florida. he didn't have to run away.

he was legally allowed to stand his ground. and he did.

and now he's dead.

Stand his ground against a credible threat. Someone approaching him to ask a question doesn't qualify as a credible threat.

 

[joko104]

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this was in Florida. he didn't have to run away.

he was legally allowed to stand his ground. and he did.

and now he's dead.

The law does not require "standing your ground."

But my god, pick one! Was he "fleeing" Zimmerman (about 100 messages saying that the certain fact) or "standing his ground" (about100 messages as that the certain fact) or did he again turn and approach Zimmerman?

According to the only eye witness, an African American teen out with his dog, Martin in a sense was "standing his ground" - over Zimmerman on the ground, "fighting."

Martin, clearly the superior and many of us see the obviousness of that, didn't know he had brought fist and feet to what became a gun fight. That the old guy might have a gun is one reason 17 year olds shouldn't get too cocky about wanting beating up old guys that are annoying him.

 

[apdst]

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what would you like, Zimmerman given a parade for being a hero and removing a menace to society?

Did I say that? No, I didn't. So just be content with your silly little accusations of racism.

 

[Thunder]

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Did I say that? No, I didn't. So just be content with your silly little accusations of racism.

i saw just asking a question.

 

[apdst]

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Latino...is not a race. The man is white.

Oh no you didn't!!!!!! :lamo

 

[Thunder]

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...According to the only eye witness, an African American teen out with his dog, Martin in a sense was "standing his ground" - over Zimmerman.

yeah..so what?

Zimmerman started ****...and Martin finished it.

but then, Zimmerman just felt compelled to blow Martin away.

 

[Thunder]

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Oh no you didn't!!!!!! :lamo

sorry, I meant to say "Hispanic is not a race. The man is white"

my bad.

 

[ric27]

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Do we know for sure? No, and that is the fault of the police who didn't question Zimmerman.

Fault of the police? That tired old bull**** you just regurgitated up there seems the easy way out

To a lot out there, cops will always be the cause/ at fault of everything ranging from parents who can't parent to burgerservers who can't even do that.

Always was, always will be.

 

[Tettsuo]

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Stand his ground against a credible threat. Someone approaching him to ask a question doesn't qualify as a credible threat.

What did you get this tidbit that Zimmerman only asked questions? The girlfriend stated that Martin stopped and asked first... and didn't pop Zimmerman in the nose during his questioning of him.

It seems like you're assuming Martin struck first.

 

[joko104]

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in many places, 911 dispatchers actually are Peace Officers.

Most places not and for many good reasons. First, it could raise lack of Miranda warnings issues in SOME situations - where what was said on the phone my be vital information. Yet do you want all 911 calls to have a 7 minute delay while a recording of the Miranda warning in 3 different languages first?

Second, dispatchers have to often guesstimate the best responses and even "instructions" - not really knowing much of what is going on. Advice and statements made by a police officer carry a lot of weight in some circumstances. So if some woman was screaming 'oh my god! oh my god! He's breaking it, the rapist is breaking in! He's going to rape me again! Can I defend myself with this shotgun?! OH god, he's in!!" - no matter whether the dispatcher says yes or no, there is a real danger and liability potential - as what a police officer tells you goes a LONG way to "an affirmative defense" OR creating a lawsuit.

Is it a murderous rapist who stalked down a previous victim and will murder everyone in the house? Or a pissed off woman about her husband coming home drunk again feels like sex with a drunk leaves her feeling dirty and violated?

Most placed do NOT want dispatchers to be police officers for many reasons.

 

[Excon]

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He was TOLD by police to NOT get out of his car and chase the kid.

No he wasn't.

Then Zimmerman says 'f-ing coon'.

At this point in time that is not something that has been confirmed to be true.
Just because you want to believe it is, doesn't make it so.

mind reader?

lol
You don't think he felt threatened?
My comment of not being enough to not confront the guy is evident by his confronting the guy.

 

[Tettsuo]

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Most places not and for many good reasons. First, it could raise lack of Miranda warnings issues in SOME situations - where what was said on the phone my be vital information. Yet do you want all 911 calls to have a 7 minute delay while a recording of the Miranda warning in 3 different languages first?

Second, dispatchers have to often guesstimate the best responses and even "instructions" - not really knowing much of what is going on. Advice and statements made by a police officer carry a lot of weight in some circumstances. So if some woman was screaming 'oh my god! oh my god! He's breaking it, the rapist is breaking in! He's going to rape me again! Can I defend myself with this shotgun?! OH god, he's in!!" - no matter whether the dispatcher says yes or no, there is a real danger and liability potential - as what a police officer tells you goes a LONG way to "an affirmative defense" OR creating a lawsuit.

Is it a murderous rapist who will murder everyone in the house? Or a pissed off woman about her husband coming home drunk again?

Most placed do NOT want dispatchers to be police officers for many reasons.

Regardless of the police dispatcher's level of authority, they were correct. Zimmerman should have stayed away. If he'd listen, an innocent 17 year old would be alive today.