Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

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The evidence is that he was the only one wearing a white t-shirt.

But the EVIDENCE creates a QUESTION.

What happened to the hoodie?

 

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I ignore the lies of cop-beaters, woman-beaters, and folks who dial 911 forty times a month.

Pretty sure it was 46 times from Jan '11 to Jan '12.

For clarity.

 

[ric27]

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I see an arrest in the future since the DOJ/FBI are getting involved. Zimmerman is an person without any common sense. I would call him an idiot, but it would give idiot a bad name. Arrest will come to squelch public unrest. I still think the amount of news coverage, editoralzing by reporters will make it impossible for a fair trial. the media has convicted him.

The left is already using *their warped vision of logic* to go against the white establishment, the gun owner and laws favoring self defense

 

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The left is already using *their warped vision of logic* to go against the white establishment, the gun owner and laws favoring self defense

Or....

To go against a Latino racist whose assinine actions with a gun are being allowed based on a poor interpretation of a self-defense law.!

 

[ric27]

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Or....

To go against a Latino racist whose assinine actions with a gun are being allowed based on a poor interpretation of a self-defense law.!

The Left media using dated photos of Martin as a 10-12 year-old when more current ones are available, downplaying Zimmerman's head injuries, the white hispanic instead of just hispanic, etc, etc

The only thing, we will probably agree on is.. Did the Zimmerman act wisely? Unequivocally, NO.

The bottom line is there any proof that he committed a crime? To be brutally honest...NO

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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The Left media using dated photos of Martin as a 10-12 year-old when more current ones are available, downplaying Zimmerman's head injuries, the white hispanic instead of just hispanic, etc, etc

The only thing, we will probably agree on is.. Did the Zimmerman act wisely? Unequivocally, NO.

The bottom line is there any proof that he committed a crime? To be brutally honest...NO

Yup. He's just what the SYG law was ment for!

 

[apdst]

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he claimed "something is wrong with this guy" and "he's clearly on drugs", or something to that extent.

he was lying to the police, to make his future victim look like a bad guy.

You put it in quotes, so you need to be accurate.

 

[Wiggen]

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The left is already using *their warped vision of logic* to go against the white establishment, the gun owner and laws favoring self defense

There's a white establishment? Surely not! And chasing somebody down from behind is now self-defense? Oh, I guess it is if its one of those suspicious black kids.

 

[Wiggen]

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The Left media using dated photos of Martin as a 10-12 year-old when more current ones are available, downplaying Zimmerman's head injuries, the white hispanic instead of just hispanic, etc, etc

The only thing, we will probably agree on is.. Did the Zimmerman act wisely? Unequivocally, NO.

The bottom line is there any proof that he committed a crime? To be brutally honest...NO

with regards to you last question, it's actually quite difficult to come up with any proof when there is no police investigation, thanks to the stupid Florida Law which essentially says the guy left standing is the one telling the truth.

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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with regards to you last question, it's actually quite difficult to come up with any proof when there is no police investigation, thanks to the stupid Florida Law which essentially says the guy left standing is the one telling the truth.

Yes. That's why I think someone will induce Zimmerman into chasing him.
He just better do it before they change the SYG law.

 

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What if...?
I am in the middle of reviewing something and may have to retract a statement I made.
I will answer you post when I am finished.

I am pretty sure at this point that my statement that Trayvon was wearing the white t-shirt was wrong.
So I retract it unless and until I can show it was correct.

I have been experiencing speed drops, latency issues and packet lose in my internet service.
This is causing videos not to load and stutter while playing. Buffering issues.
See image.
The top image being what it should be.

I thought heard white t-shirt, when all I believe I heard now was, white t, which cut off and then continues with tennis shoes. The white t being part of white tennis shoes.
I am still having issues and have not even been able to review the whole video to see if it is on there.

So I apologize to all for taking the conversation that way with my wrong assertion.


Thankfully it isn't needed to prove it was Zimmerman on the ground yelling for help and being assaulted because of the other eye-witness report who was outside and saw it.

 

[joko104]

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Every known fact and every eye-witness is consistent with what Zimmerman said at the time to the arriving police.

People speaking on behalf of Martin have freqently been proven to making false statements - and continued doing so.

 

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Every known fact and every eye-witness is consistent with what Zimmerman said at the time to the arriving police.

People speaking on behalf of Martin have freqently been proven to making false statements - and continued doing so.

No matter how many times you try to change the story to fit your agenda there is the elephant sitting in the corner of the room. And that is that Zimmerman has been proven to be a violent parnoia wannabe who with HIS GUN killed an innocent kid just walking home talking to his girlfriend.

 

[MaggieD]

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Every known fact and every eye-witness is consistent with what Zimmerman said at the time to the arriving police.

People speaking on behalf of Martin have freqently been proven to making false statements - and continued doing so.

Not quite. One independent witness says she told the LEO that Martin was calling for help. The LEO corrected her and said, "No, that was Zimmerman."

Another officer corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help. The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, that it was Zimmerman who cried for help, the witness told ABC News.

Page 2: Trayvon Martin Family Seeks FBI Investigation of Killing - ABC News

Same link...an insider at the PD told ABC News that the first detective on the scene was not a homocide detective...he was a narcotics detective. He said "he peppered" Zimmerman with questions instead of asking him to tell his story. This is not police procedure. Questions are leading.

Let's face it--there's enough question that this should go before a Grand Jury. And on April 10th, it will.

 

[joko104]

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I don't think racism factored into this, but if it did, I suspect the one motivated by racism and towards violence was Martin, not Zimmerman.

Initially, in the 911 call, Martin turned towards and approached Zimmerman glaring at him as he did, but seeing/hearing Zimmerman talking to the police, Martin turned and ran around the corner, but then according to the call to his girlfriend he stopped running.

Seeing Zimmerman no longer on the phone, he physically violently assault Zimmerman - a minority Latino on a majority African-American commmunity - and continued assaulting Zimmerman after slugging the chubby Latino minority old guy (to him) down to the ground.

I suspect that while Zimmerman was screaming for someone to help him, Martin was struggling with Zimmerman for the gun, who to that point had not displayed or drawn it. Yet that is one aspect of the struggle that would favor Zimmerman. Heavy people generally are slower and Zimmerman seems not particularly fit, but heavy people are strong from carrying their weight.

At that point I think it became only a question of which one died. If Martin could turn the gun on Zimmerman, Zimmerman dies. If Zimmerman could turn the pistol on Martin, Martin died.

Martin died.

This didn't happen because a civilian watchmen was doing what they do. It happened because Martin wanted to and believed he could beat the crap out of an pudgy older Latino guy who had called the police on him. I don't think race came into it, but if it did, it most likely Martin a racist against Latinos leading him to charge and assault Zimmerman.

Despite all the words claiming Martin was an angelic child with his Skittles, that he attacked Zimmerman and continued assaulting him (according to TWO eye witnesses) shows he is anything but a sweet young 17 year old teen.

He could have just gone home or cursed Zimmerman out. But he could not beat the s...t out of Zimmerman as much and as long as he wanted to. Anyone who knows about fights knows its not like in the movies with no residuals. Fights leave people crippled, brain damaged and dead - whether deliberate or not. That Zimmerman had a wound on the back of his head, not just a slug in the nose, proved the assault of Martin was extremely violent and of life threatening natures.

 

[Dickieboy]

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A question I have that may have been discussed here and I missed. Was the most general direct route between 7/11 and 'home' thru the 'gated community'?

 

[joko104]

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Not quite. One independent witness says she told the LEO that Martin was calling for help. The LEO corrected her and said, "No, that was Zimmerman."



Page 2: Trayvon Martin Family Seeks FBI Investigation of Killing - ABC News

Same link...an insider at the PD told ABC News that the first detective on the scene was not a homocide detective...he was a narcotics detective. He said "he peppered" Zimmerman with questions instead of asking him to tell his story. This is not police procedure. Questions are leading.

Let's face it--there's enough question that this should go before a Grand Jury. And on April 10th, it will.

All homicides should go the the grand jury to decide if the homicide shows a person probably committed a criminal homicide.

 

[MaggieD]

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I don't think racism factored into this, but if it did, I suspect the one motivated by racism and towards violence was Martin, not Zimmerman.

Initially, in the 911 call, Martin turned towards and approached Zimmerman glaring at him as he did, but seeing/hearing Zimmerman talking to the police, Martin turned and ran around the corner, but then according to the call to his girlfriend he stopped running.

Seeing Zimmerman no longer on the phone, he physically violently assault Zimmerman - a minority Latino on a majority African-American commmunity - and continued assaulting Zimmerman after slugging the chubby Latino minority old guy (to him) down to the ground.

I suspect that while Zimmerman was screaming for someone to help him, Martin was struggling with Zimmerman for the gun, who to that point had not displayed or drawn it. Yet that is one aspect of the struggle that would favor Zimmerman. Heavy people generally are slower and Zimmerman seems not particularly fit, but heavy people are strong from carrying their weight.

At that point I think it became only a question of which one died. If Martin could turn the gun on Zimmerman, Zimmerman dies. If Zimmerman could turn the pistol on Martin, Martin died.

Martin died.

This didn't happen because a civilian watchmen was doing what they do. It happened because Martin wanted to and believed he could beat the crap out of an pudgy older Latino guy who had called the police on him. I don't think race came into it, but if it did, it most likely Martin a racist against Latinos leading him to charge and assault Zimmerman.

Despite all the words claiming Martin was an angelic child with his Skittles, that he attacked Zimmerman and continued assaulting him (according to TWO eye witnesses) shows he is anything but a sweet young 17 year old teen.

He could have just gone home or cursed Zimmerman out. But he could not beat the s...t out of Zimmerman as much and as long as he wanted to. Anyone who knows about fights knows its not like in the movies with no residuals. Fights leave people crippled, brain damaged and dead - whether deliberate or not. That Zimmerman had a wound on the back of his head, not just a slug in the nose, proved the assault of Martin was extremely violent and of life threatening natures.

Well, Joko, it took you a few days, but you've finally lost the plot.

 

[joko104]

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with regards to you last question, it's actually quite difficult to come up with any proof when there is no police investigation, thanks to the stupid Florida Law which essentially says the guy left standing is the one telling the truth.

That reality is as old as law itself.

 

[ric27]

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with regards to you last question, it's actually quite difficult to come up with any proof when there is no police investigation, thanks to the stupid Florida Law which essentially says the guy left standing is the one telling the truth.

So, the Feds will probably try to Nifong Zimmerman because someone local is leaning on them to "do something", just because the natives are restless. Leaning to political pressure in charging Zimmerman. Hmmmm, but maybe, the Feds know the chance of a conviction on that particular charge is remote. Doing what the community wants, but in the end, the asshole goes free

 

[joko104]

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I could be wrong, but from what i've read in teh MSM, he dialed 911 (46) times between 08/04 and the date of the shooting. I don't know the outcome of all the calls, but I have read that some ended in arrests.

46 Calls - The Daily Beast

Overall there were over 400 911 calls a year from that community. Because those saying how many times Zimmerman called is to cherry pick facts to try to demonize him, they all leave that off.

 

[joko104]

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Fair enough, however, their article is extremely biased against Trayvon. For example, they try to paint him as a troubled youth who was on suspension from school, but then they leave out the reason he was suspended because saying he must have been a bad kid sounds so much worse than revealing he was suspended for tardiness.

Suspended for tardiness? He was on suspension? I didn't read that but from you just now. So the perfect child was on suspension for school basically for not following school rules that essentially all students do? How many times does a person have to be tardy to literally be suspended?

 

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Overall there were over 400 911 calls a year from that community. Because those saying how many times Zimmerman called is to cherry pick facts to try to demonize him, they all leave that off.

Everyone Zimmerman sees is suspicious. It is called paranoia. What, he had a couple legit 911 calls but 90% were innocent people that Zimmerman just knew to be commiting crimes.
This man is a danger to the community.

 

[ric27]

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Everyone Zimmerman sees is suspicious. It is called paranoia. What, he had a couple legit 911 calls but 90% were innocent people that Zimmerman just knew to be commiting crimes.
This man is a danger to the community.

Zimmerman's pattern of behavior- both in the past and in this incident were at best, stupid and STILL no evidence that Zimmerman committed a crime

 

[joko104]

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Everyone Zimmerman sees is suspicious. It is called paranoia. What, he had a couple legit 911 calls but 90% were innocent people that Zimmerman just knew to be commiting crimes.
This man is a danger to the community.

You can hate anyone you want as an American right. But you don't have to make up things to do so. You have NO evidence that Zimmerman ever accused anyone of committing a crime. He phoned the police that Martin was acting suspiciously.

As it is now becoming well established, Martin was a 17 year old suspended from school and who likes to beat up Latinos and continue assaulting them after he has them down because he called the police on him. It is starting to look like Zimmerman was right about there being "something not right" about Martin.