Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

[TheNextEra]

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It is incredibly irresponsible and unpresedential for Obama to comment on this with no facts whatsoever.

Obama didn't comment on guilt or innocense. He said it was a tragedy, which he is correct on.

 

[TheNextEra]

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Imagine George Bush speaking out after a white kid was killed by a Hispanic or black kid.

"If I had a son, he'd look like him."

Can you imagine the media response to that?

Hypocrisy reigns supreme.

Yes I can, and you would be complaining about anyone calling it racist. Hypocrisy indeed.

 

[Erod]

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Obama didn't comment on guilt or innocense. He said it was a tragedy, which he is correct on.

So are the other murders that happen across the country on a regular basis. Don't recall his comments on those.

 

[TheNextEra]

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So are the other murders that happen across the country on a regular basis. Don't recall his comments on those.

did any of those deaths happen with a contraversial law such as SYG?

 

[apdst]

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did any of those deaths happen with a contraversial law such as SYG?

A better question would be: how many of those deaths were black teenagers?

Not many, if any, because we know that Sharpton and Farrakan would be screaming for retaliation and violence over those kids, too.

 

[Excon]

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Sanford police detectives claimed:

It was prosecutors who advised them there was not enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.
Lead detective played recording of screams for help and Martin's Father said voice on 911 call was not his son's.​

Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Yahoo! News


When you take the above and couple it with the following there should be no doubt it was Zimmerman who was screaming for help, and not Trayvon.

"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."
Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation

 

[TheNextEra]

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A better question would be: how many of those deaths were black teenagers?

Not many, if any, because we know that Sharpton and Farrakan would be screaming for retaliation and violence over those kids, too.

No, I much prefer mine, care to answer it?

 

[joko104]

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Maybe the real racist was Martin. Seeing a fat "mexi..can" watching him, he coming glaring at the Latino (which is who is the minority in that community, not African-Americans), but hearing the Latino on the phone to the police, turns and runs around a corner. (suspicious?). The Latino runs to try to see where he went, but Martin's - seeing the fat old "mexi...can" no longer has the police on the phone, decides he doesn't have to take no w...back calling the police on him and decides to kick the sh..t out of him - noting the wound to the back of Zimmerman's head.

I don't think arguing racism helps the prosecution in many ways nor anything good comes from it in analysing any of this.

African-Americans IN THAT COMMUNITY protesting Zimmerman is no different that if a bunch of white people protesting because a black man who killed a white man who was violently assaulting him wasn't being prosecuted. It is Latinos that are the minority, not African Americans.

 

[joko104]

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Damn white people.

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George Zimmerman

The majority-race population is protesting over that minority-man in their community refused to accept that the majority gets to beat up minorities.

 

[missypea]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

Imagine George Bush speaking out after a white kid was killed by a Hispanic or black kid.

"If I had a son, he'd look like him."

Can you imagine the media response to that?

Hypocrisy reigns supreme.

Obama said something about this incident being tragic.


Bush certainly didn't do anything to involve himself in case that became national. Nah, Bush wouldn't do anything like return to DC to sign legislation in the Terri Schiavo case.

Hyperbole much?

:roll:

 

[joko104]

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Obama didn't comment on guilt or innocense. He said it was a tragedy, which he is correct on.

Obama can pretty much count on African-American votes. It is Latinos more up in the air. He may not want to go on record that Latinos have no right to defend themselves if under violent assault by an African-American, declaring it White House policy that people can beat to death any Latino who annoys or is precieved as intimidating for which Latinos, like it was for slaves, may not defend themselves - that it now Latinos who are the 2nd class citizens, not African-Americans.

 

[joko104]

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Sanford police detectives claimed:

It was prosecutors who advised them there was not enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.
Lead detective played recording of screams for help and Martin's Father said voice on 911 call was not his son's.​

Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Yahoo! News


When you take the above and couple it with the following there should be no doubt it was Zimmerman who was screaming for help, and not Trayvon.

OK, folks, Martin's father said the voice on the tape is not his son. Do you think MSNBC will give that as much airtime as they gave Martin's mother saying it was. Since MSNBC refused to play the video of an independent eye witness saying it was Zimmerman yelling - instead only to have a long interview of Martin's mother saying it was. Increasingly, MSNBC has to excluding facts and witnesses to divert to other ways to attack Zimmerman.

 

[joko104]

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Think Rodney King for a second, and the aftermath in the streets following the verdict.

If this guy gets off as the LAPD did, what will happen, particularly since Obama, Farrakhan, and Sharpton have weighed in so early with so little information to go on?

Hopefully nothing, but there's perhaps more tension between the black and Hispanic communities than between any other groups.

It is incredibly irresponsible and unpresedential for Obama to comment on this with no facts whatsoever.

There aren't many Latinos in that community. There are many African-Americans. Latinos need to get out of there. Whites may want to get out of there too. Until a few decades ago it basically the segregated poor city where African-Americans of the Orlando metroplex were supposed to live. It might now become so again.

From my own Chicago experience, whites and Latinos living in poor primarily African-American areas face risks because they aren't black.
Are those there protesting just the shooting, or also against the Latinos?

 

[justabubba]

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OK, folks, Martin's father said the voice on the tape is not his son. Do you think MSNBC will give that as much airtime as they gave Martin's mother saying it was. Since MSNBC refused to play the video of an independent eye witness saying it was Zimmerman yelling - instead only to have a long interview of Martin's mother saying it was. Increasingly, MSNBC has to excluding facts and witnesses to divert to other ways to attack Zimmerman.

that is potentially huge for zimmerman's defense

 

[Excon]

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that is potentially huge for zimmerman's defense

It was. It was part of the initial investigation.
It had to be part of why charges were not filed.

I haven't seen anything yet that says the initial investigations conclusions were wrong.

But now, after all this misinformed public outcry, if he is charged, I seriously doubt he will receive a fair hearing.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

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Sanford police detectives claimed:

It was prosecutors who advised them there was not enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.
Lead detective played recording of screams for help and Martin's Father said voice on 911 call was not his son's.​

Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Yahoo! News
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Well then I guess the Sanford Police are lying which points even further to a cover up because Martin's father has said multiple times that the voice on the tape is definitely his son's. His mother has said the same thing in other interviews.

He says it at around 3:30 on this video:
Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

 

[Excon]

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Well then I guess the Sanford Police are lying which points even further to a cover up because Martin's father has said multiple times that the voice on the tape is definitely his son's.

It does not mean the Police are lying or that there is even a cover-up.
These are something you want to believe, and is really a ridiculous thing to believe.

The police played the audio for the Father and he said it wasn't his son.
That does not mean that he didn't later change his mind, does it?

But supposing that the Police are lying and covering-up anything about this specific incident is ridiculous and unfounded because of the previously provided eye-witnessed evidence.

"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."
Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation

It was Zimmerman who was crying for help, not Trayvon.

The Mother and Father are wrong if not outright lying.



And thanks for the link to the video you provided, because it somewhat clears up the discrepancy about the white t-shirt.
It was Trayvon wearing it.

 

[Ben K.]

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I accept that people are hearing different things. I just think the people hearing "punks" have hearing problems. My ears work and the video I posted had 4-5 different versions of the audio and it's pretty damn clear that a hard "c" is at the beginning followed by the "oo" sound followed by an "n" and an "s". That's just the reality. If you aren't even hearing the "oo" sound, then I think you have an ear problem quite frankly.

Well "reality" is pretty ****ed up like that, it requires perfect reality interpreting sensory organs like your own to define them.

Does it not strike you as odd at all that no one heard the offensive phrase at all until it did several cycles through the internet, let alone several dozen pages of this string?

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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"We don't know" would be at the core of his defense. To convict, all 12 jurors must know beyond any reasonable doubt AND to the exclusion of any other possibility.

Yup, that's what makes the SYGL so neet. Can you imagine how Zimmerman must feel now knowing that someone could turn the law on him.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

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Well "reality" is pretty ****ed up like that, it requires perfect reality interpreting sensory organs like your own to define them.

Thank you for acknowledging the near divine powers of my auditory canal, eardrum and cochlea.

Does it not strike you as odd at all that no one heard the offensive phrase at all until it did several cycles through the internet, let alone several dozen pages of this string?

Not really. And it doesn't matter anyway because he said what he said regardless of when we figured it out.

 

[Thunder]

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...It was Zimmerman who was crying for help, not Trayvon....

prove it.

were you there?

 

[OhIsee.Then]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

Sanford police detectives claimed:

It was prosecutors who advised them there was not enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.
Lead detective played recording of screams for help and Martin's Father said voice on 911 call was not his son's.​

Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Yahoo! News


When you take the above and couple it with the following there should be no doubt it was Zimmerman who was screaming for help, and not Trayvon.

Yup, I also think Zimmerman was screaming for help since he was loosing the fight he started. But, I have to add the Zimmerman won in the end because he had a gun.

 

[MaggieD]

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"We don't know" would be at the core of his defense. To convict, all 12 jurors must know beyond any reasonable doubt AND to the exclusion of any other possibility.

I've read this ascertain from you a number of times on this thread. It is not true that guilt must be proven to the exclusion of any other possibility. To make it easier for you to disprove me and prove what you're saying, here's a link to the Florida Supreme Court approved jury instructions for any variety of crimes.

Beyond a reasonable doubt. Period.

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/...ers/entireversion/onlinejurryinstructions.pdf

 

[Excon]

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...It was Zimmerman who was crying for help, not Trayvon....

prove it.

were you there?

Prove it? lol

I got to ask; Are you blind?
The quotes from the eye-witness were in the post you quoted, they were even emboldened to make them easier for others to see.

"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."
Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation

Watch the video.

We also found out in that reply that it was Trayvon who was wearing the white t-shirt.

 

[Excon]

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Yup, I also think Zimmerman was screaming for help since he was loosing the fight he started. But, I have to add the Zimmerman won in the end because he had a gun.

That scenario, is not consistent with the known evidence.