Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

[Thunder]

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...We also found out in that reply that it was Trayvon who was wearing the white t-shirt.

i thought he was wearing a hoody.

 

[Excon]

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i thought he was wearing a hoody.

He was at one time.
Have you already forgotten what was discussed about a person wearing a white t-shirt?

 

[ThePlayDrive]

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He was at one time.
Have you already forgotten what was discussed about a person wearing a white t-shirt?

When did he take it off and on which tape was this mentioned?

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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That scenario, is not consistent with the known evidence.

Is there a witness statement that clearly indicates who 'Started' the fight?
I haven't seen one. Note that it is the start of the fight in this case (Since it was the only thing that preceeded the shooting.) that is important. If Zimmerman started the fight then he murdered Martin, right?

 

[Excon]

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When did he take it off and on which tape was this mentioned?

The evidence is that he was the only one wearing a white t-shirt.

 

[Excon]

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Is there a witness statement that clearly indicates who 'Started' the fight?
I haven't seen one.

Then you are purposely ignoring Zimmerman's statement.

 

[ARealConservative]

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following him in his car and then on foot, in the middle of the night, was an act of intimidation.

Martin was justified in fearing for his safety.

7 pm is now the middle of the night?

 

[ARealConservative]

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Is there a witness statement that clearly indicates who 'Started' the fight?
I haven't seen one. Note that it is the start of the fight in this case (Since it was the only think that preceeded the shooting.) that is important. If Zimmerman started the fight then he murdered Martin, right?

no, but it does move further in that direction.

Even if Zimmerman started the fight, a person can't continue beating the crap out of him.

now please note, I am not saying that is what the teen did, only that it would potentially allow self defense to again be claimed by the instigator.

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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Then you are purposely ignoring Zimmerman's statement.

Yes I am. Why shouldn't I?

 

[Thunder]

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Then you are purposely ignoring Zimmerman's statement.

I ignore the lies of cop-beaters, woman-beaters, and folks who dial 911 forty times a month.

 

[Excon]

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Yes I am. Why shouldn't I?

lol
Because it is part of the evidence.

 

[Excon]

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I ignore the lies of cop-beaters, woman-beaters, and folks who dial 911 forty times a month.

lol
Prove it contains lies.

 

[a351]

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I ignore the lies of cop-beaters, woman-beaters, and folks who dial 911 forty times a month.

His history certainly doesn't add to his credibility, but it doesn't warrant dismissing it entirely.

 

[Excon]

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Zimmerman's statement is part of the evidence.

Anybody who refuses to see that is biased.

Anyone who refuses to use it now and it later turns out to actually contain a proven un-truth, or a lie, and they want to use it then - will be a hypocrite.

 

[Thunder]

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lol
Prove it contains lies.

he claimed "something is wrong with this guy" and "he's clearly on drugs", or something to that extent.

he was lying to the police, to make his future victim look like a bad guy.

 

[What if...?]

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And the evidence says that is what he was trying to do. Keep him under observation until police arrived.
It was Trayvon who confronted Zimmerman.



As pointed out, Zimmerman thought Trayvon's actions were suspicious. That is a sufficient. Sufficient enough for the police to respond.




I most definitely are relying on the facts of this incident that we know of.



It is not unusual to tell the truth either, is it?
As far as I am concerned, Zimmerman didn't have enough time to make up a lie that would fit all the evidence as his statement does.
The police were on the scene immediately. He had no time to concoct an air tight dissertation of events under the stress he just went through.
I also don't think he would have been able to sustain a quickly made up lie in the face of hours long police questioning.
That scenario, him lying, just isn't plausible.




If it is required by law, do you think it didn't?



He wasn't playing vigilante. He was acting in his capacity as NW and was trying to keep the kid under observation until police arrived.

Did zimmerman acknowledge speaking to Martin BEFORE walking back to his truck? Or any other indication that he had spoken to Martin at all prior to the release of the GFs conversation?

Because that's pretty relevant.

They spoke. "Why are you following me?" "What are you doing here?"

This exchange doesn't seem to be in zims story. This exchange HAD to have happened before thephysical confrontation.

I thought he said he got out to check a street name and was on his way back to his truck when he was attacked. How did he describe the conversation they cleary had? Did he mention it at all?

Something like "he asked me why I was following him and I asked over my shoulder "what are you doing here?" as I walked back to my truck and then he just attacked me from behind."

Haven't heard that he admitted speaking to Martin at all. And if he didn't, then his story slides down in credibility because he left out something he thought nobody knew, because he didnt know that Martin was on the phone at the time because he was using a headset.

 

[Excon]

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he claimed "something is wrong with this guy" and "he's clearly on drugs", or something to that extent.

he was lying to the police, to make his future victim look like a bad guy.

lol
You are really grasping here.
Those are not lies.
Those are his suspicions. Not statements of fact. Nothing more.
That does not make them lies.


These are supposedly Zimmermna's words.
He is speaking about his suspicions.
That does not make them lies.

...
This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
...
Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
...
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

 

[buck]

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I ignore the lies of cop-beaters, woman-beaters, and folks who dial 911 forty times a month.

I could be wrong, but from what i've read in teh MSM, he dialed 911 (46) times between 08/04 and the date of the shooting. I don't know the outcome of all the calls, but I have read that some ended in arrests.

46 Calls - The Daily Beast

Along with the audio recordings of six calls to Sanford police that George Zimmerman made in the weeks before the Feb. 26 shooting of Trayvon Martin, the Sanford Police Department has posted reports of 46 911 and nonemergency calls it says Zimmerman made between August 2004 and Martin’s shooting.

 

[Excon]

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What if...?
I am in the middle of reviewing something and may have to retract a statement I made.
I will answer you post when I am finished.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

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The evidence is that he was the only one wearing a white t-shirt.

On which tape or statement was this verified?

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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lol
Because it is part of the evidence.

It is part of the evidence. But, I have to consider the source, preceding events, who the other guy is, etc., and since his behavior could be considered as looking for a fight, it has to be discounted.

 

[ric27]

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A better question would be: how many of those deaths were black teenagers?

Not many, if any, because we know that Sharpton and Farrakan would be screaming for retaliation and violence over those kids, too.

Al? Who can forget Al Sharpton...

Remember how he used that broad tawana brawley to torture anyone involved.

And after all was done, she was exposed as a dip **** fraud but no aplogies were forthcoming.

These people like Sharpton will crowd to their particular cause regardless of truth.

 

[justabubba]

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Al? Who can forget Al Sharpton...

Remember how he used that broad tawana brawley to torture anyone involved.

And after all was done, she was exposed as a dip **** fraud but no aplogies were forthcoming.

These people like Sharpton will crowd to their particular cause regardless of truth.

like many in this thread
al 'tawanna brawley' sharpton could give a rip about evidence, truth or justice
this is a racial thing, even tho it cannot be shown that the kid did not precipitate the violence

 

[ric27]

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like many in this thread
al 'tawanna brawley' sharpton could give a rip about evidence, truth or justice
this is a racial thing, even tho it cannot be shown that the kid did not precipitate the violence

I think Zimmerman was/is an asshole, and his actions were dumb. It could have all been avoided, if this dumb**** paid attention and did not act in a manner that was contrary to common sense and yes, its true... a dispatchers words have no basis in law- they can't *order* anyone to do jack****

Having said that, if there was no evidence that Zimmerman committed a crime *perhaps for being a dumbass*...YES but based on the investigators observations, no arrest is warranted nor in the future


The only way, I see an imminent arrest that there is a grand conspiracy involving the cops, DA, Zimmerman, Zapruder and others, there may not have been evidence warranting a summary arrest and

Frankly, I don't see it

 

[mike2810]

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I see an arrest in the future since the DOJ/FBI are getting involved. Zimmerman is an person without any common sense. I would call him an idiot, but it would give idiot a bad name. Arrest will come to squelch public unrest. I still think the amount of news coverage, editoralzing by reporters will make it impossible for a fair trial. the media has convicted him.