Denying One's Desires Tied to Homophobia (1 Viewer)

[Somerville]

An interesting take on the causes of homophobia

Denying One's Desires Tied to Homophobia
New studies suggest those who express virulent dislike of homosexuals may have an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex. Researchers also discovered homophobia is more pronounced in individuals who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires.

The study is the first to document the role that both parenting and sexual orientation play in the formation of intense and visceral fear of homosexuals, including self-reported homophobic attitudes, discriminatory bias, implicit hostility towards gays, and endorsement of anti-gay policies.

“Individuals who identify as straight but in psychological tests show a strong attraction to the same sex may be threatened by gays and lesbians because homosexuals remind them of similar tendencies within themselves,"

Here's one list of haters who were outed

Top 5 homophobes who turned out to be gay

5. Ted Haggard
4. George Rekers
3. California State Sen. Roy Ashburn
2. Republican Florida state Rep. Bob Allen
1. Larry Craig

 

[lizzie]

I guess I must not be homophobic, because frankly, I just don't give a damn about peoples' sexuality, and get tired of hearing about it as if it's a world-changing phenomenon.

 

[Paschendale]

A lot of male homophobia seems to come from misogyny, too. The idea of men receiving sex from other men makes them feel too much like women, and of course being a woman is a terrible notion for these men. That's why a lot of homophobia, specifically from males, tends to center around male/male anal sex.

 

[German guy]

It's a well-known thing ... according to Jungian psychology, people hate those traits in others most which they (unconsciously) hate in themselves. When kids are constantly taught by their parents that such feelings are wrong, they'll split off their own tendencies in these regards into the unconscious, and start passionately judging others for it.

 

[X Factor]

An interesting take on the causes of homophobia



Here's one list of haters who were outed

This makes perfect sense to me and it doesn't apply only to homosexuality. It's like someone who's out there accusing pretty much everyone, regardless of actual circumstances, of racism (for example), are projecting their true feelings onto someone else to mask that it's them that really think that way.

To be clear, I'm not saying that's the case in every instance, anymore than the assertions made in the OP are true in every case, just sometimes it is.

 

[German guy]

This makes perfect sense to me and it doesn't apply only to homosexuality. It's like someone who's out there accusing pretty much everyone, regardless of actual circumstances, of racism (for example), are projecting their true feelings onto someone else to mask that it's them that really think that way.

To be clear, I'm not saying that's the case in every instance, anymore than the assertions made in the OP are true in every case, just sometimes it is.

Yes, I think it's generally true that people who are very hard and harsh on themselves, are often those who are harshest and most cruel towards others too.

When you get constantly taught as a kid that the way you are is not okay, that causes stress and fear, those kids don't feel understood and loved by their parents who force them to deny something that's part of them. The kids start suppressing these feelings in their strife for love and recognition by their parents, which is very painful. They have the choice between pain due to lack of acceptance, and pain due to self-denial. And then are jalous that others apparently are happier than they are, or want everybody else to be as miserable as they are. That's especially convenient when you can condemn the less inhibited happiness of others as "immoral" or something like that.

 

[Thrilla]

I guess I must not be homophobic, because frankly, I just don't give a damn about peoples' sexuality, and get tired of hearing about it as if it's a world-changing phenomenon.

I don't give a **** either, and i certainly have no sexual attraction to other men... and i'm bit tired of other peoples sexuality being front page news every goddamn day.

 

[Lakryte]

I don't give a **** either, and i certainly have no sexual attraction to other men... and i'm bit tired of other peoples sexuality being front page news every goddamn day.

Then don't read the front page news, and don't post in topics like this one that talk about it if you really don't care.

 

[rathi]

I don't give a **** either, and i certainly have no sexual attraction to other men... and i'm bit tired of other peoples sexuality being front page news every goddamn day.

Meaningless articles about the relationship status of heterosexual celebrities has been pushed to the front page your entire life, wonder why that never seemed to bother you.

 

[Grand Mal]

An interesting take on the causes of homophobia

Denying One's Desires Tied to Homophobia
New studies suggest those who express virulent dislike of homosexuals may have an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex. Researchers also discovered homophobia is more pronounced in individuals who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires.

The study is the first to document the role that both parenting and sexual orientation play in the formation of intense and visceral fear of homosexuals, including self-reported homophobic attitudes, discriminatory bias, implicit hostility towards gays, and endorsement of anti-gay policies.

“Individuals who identify as straight but in psychological tests show a strong attraction to the same sex may be threatened by gays and lesbians because homosexuals remind them of similar tendencies within themselves,"

'Methinks he doth protest too much!'
That's been an unspoken theory for awhile, that people who hate gays really are hating what they feel themselves.

 

[Gipper]

Sorry, but I think the whole "he really hates gays, he must be closeted" schtick is just sensationalistic. I won't say that it's always unfounded, but I do think that the cases of it happening is a very small percentage.

I also think that misogyny has very little to do with it. I have streaks of misogyny and I am - in no way, shape, or form - homosexual.

 

[Gathomas88]

Meaningless articles about the relationship status of heterosexual celebrities has been pushed to the front page your entire life, wonder why that never seemed to bother you.

Because heterosexual coupling is the default norm of human behavior, and homosexual coupling is not. :roll:

It's roughly the equivalent of having something like extreme BDS&M or Scientology shoved in your face day in and day out. Even if you don't actively "hate" either phenomena, it is still annoying to have something which bears absolutely no relevance whatsoever to your own, or roughly 95% of the population's, day-to-day life or common frame of reference constantly rammed down your throat.

The other problem is just how inherently forced the whole thing happens to be. It isn't the kind of story that one would naturally expect to hear about in the course of their daily life. It is usually deliberately pushed upon the casual viewing audience in the most unabashedly awkward and self-conscious manner possible.

They might as well be smacking you in face with it while repeatedly shouting "ACCCEEEEPPPT MEEEE!!!" at the top of their lungs.

It honestly comes off as being blatant attention whoring more than anything else most of the time.

 

[Paschendale]

They might as well be ramming it in your face while repeatedly shouting "ACCCEEEEPPPT MEEEE!!!" at the top of their lungs.

Don't worry, Gath. No one actually cares about you accepting them. Your opinion has no bearing on how people live their lives. They'd appreciate it if you'd stop trying to take away their rights, though.

 

[Gipper]

Don't worry, Gath. No one actually cares about you accepting them. Your opinion has no bearing on how people live their lives. They'd appreciate it if you'd stop trying to take away their rights, though.

Um...yes it does. That's why everyone wants to shove a microphone, a camera, or a Twitter account in front of a potential gay man's face.

To say that this is just about "rights" is ridiculously disingenuous. This is about social acceptance, by and large.

 

[Gathomas88]

Don't worry, Gath. No one actually cares about you accepting them. Your opinion has no bearing on how people live their lives. They'd appreciate it if you'd stop trying to take away their rights, though.

You could've fooled me. If acceptance wasn't the goal, there'd be no need for the media to constantly force the issue into public conscious.

 

[sangha]

Because heterosexual coupling is the default norm of human behavior, homosexual coupling is not. :roll:

It's roughly the equivalent of having something like extreme BDS&M or Scientology shoved in your face day in and day out. Even if you don't actively "hate" either phenomena, it is still annoying to have something which bears absolutely no relevance whatsoever to your own, or roughly 95% of the population's, day-to-day life or common frame of reference constantly rammed down your throat.

The other problem is just how inherently forced the whole thing happens to be. It isn't the kind of story that one would naturally expect to hear about in the course of their daily life. It is usually deliberately forced upon the casual viewing audience in the most unabashedly awkward and self-conscious manner possible.

They might as well be smacking you in face with it while repeatedly shouting "ACCCEEEEPPPT MEEEE!!!" at the top of their lungs.

It honestly comes off as being blatant attention whoring more than anything else most of the time.

Case in point

I have to wonder where some people are living. Today, I went to the mall, and I didn't have one gay person slap me in the face and scream "ACCEEEEPPPT MEEE!"

 

[Andalublue]

Because heterosexual coupling is the default norm of human behavior, homosexual coupling is not. :roll:

It's roughly the equivalent of having something like extreme BDS&M or Scientology shoved in your face day in and day out. Even if you don't actively "hate" either phenomena, it is still annoying to have something which bears absolutely no relevance whatsoever to your own, or roughly 95% of the population's, day-to-day life or common frame of reference constantly rammed down your throat.

The other problem is just how inherently forced the whole thing happens to be. It isn't the kind of story that one would naturally expect to hear about in the course of their daily life. It is usually deliberately forced upon the casual viewing audience in the most unabashedly awkward and self-conscious manner possible.

They might as well be smacking you in face with it while repeatedly shouting "ACCCEEEEPPPT MEEEE!!!" at the top of their lungs.

It honestly comes off as being blatant attention whoring more than anything else most of the time.

Yet isn't it ironic how such a large number of homosexually-themed threads on DP are created by self-professed heterosexuals? NavyPride, Texmex, Hicup, cpwill, ontologuy and trfjr are always sniffing around the topic while professing either disgust or lack of interest in it. Suspicious no?

 

[Gathomas88]

Yet isn't it ironic how such a large number of homosexually-themed threads on DP are created by self-professed heterosexuals? NavyPride, Texmex, Hicup, cpwill, ontologuy and trfjr are always sniffing around the topic while professing either disgust or lack of interest in it. Suspicious no?

Are they? Yourstar, CriticalThought, and several other self-professed homosexuals start more than their share of threads on here as well, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Goshin]

This is a known phenomenon affecting some people.


Some people.


The problem comes in when certain people start trying to equate having ANY reservations about SSM or indeed any notions regarding homosexuality OTHER than total unconditional acceptance as if it were "homophobia" of this sort.... which is bull****.

 

[Hard Truth]

There are several studies that support the OP's theory. In one, men with the most homophobic opinions were most likely to get erections when looking at gay porn. When certain anti-gay crusaders say that being gay is a choice, they may be speaking truthfully for themselves because they are bisexual or a closeted homosexual.

 

[Andalublue]

Are they? Yourstar, CriticalThought, and several other self-professed homosexuals start more than their share of threads on here as well, if I'm not mistaken.

They do too, no doubt, but it's quite personal for them. What makes those I listed, and you for that matter, so interested in a sexual orientation that you claim not to be obsessed with?

 

[Paschendale]

You could've fooled me. If acceptance wasn't the goal, there'd be no need for the media to constantly force the issue into public conscious.

Um...yes it does. That's why everyone wants to shove a microphone, a camera, or a Twitter account in front of a potential gay man's face.

To say that this is just about "rights" is ridiculously disingenuous. This is about social acceptance, by and large.

Social acceptance has already been achieved. The only holdouts are a small but vocal group of bigots. But it was never your acceptance that anyone was after, either of you. It's the unaffiliated middle, who aren't passionate about discriminating against anyone or in political causes. It was their acceptance that had to be obtained, and it has been. Very few, if any, of folks like that show up on a political debate forum like this one. It was their changing opinion that turned this country to protect gays, and it is their approval that public discussions are geared towards. Yours was never part of the equation. No one expects it, and no one really wants it.

 

[sangha]

They do too, no doubt, but it's quite personal for them. What makes those I listed, and you for that matter, so interested in a sexual orientation that you claim not to be obsessed with?

And what makes them so certain that they are being constantly bombarded with demands that they accept homosexuals and homosexuality?

 

[Gathomas88]

They do too, no doubt, but it's quite personal for them. What makes those I listed, and you for that matter, so interested in a sexual orientation that you claim not to be obsessed with?

You made the claim that heterosexuals started the majority of the threads concerning homosexuality on this forum. I questioned the truth of that claim.

I fail to see how this is in any way indicative of "obsession."

Social acceptance has already been achieved. The only holdouts are a small but vocal group of bigots.

I think you just might have things backwards there. While support for equal rights is high, actual "acceptance" of homosexuality on a generalized societal basis is still rather lukewarm.

As a matter of fact, it will likely never be fully achieved.

But it was never your acceptance that anyone was after, either of you. It's the unaffiliated middle, who aren't passionate about discriminating against anyone or in political causes. It was their acceptance that had to be obtained, and it has been. Very few, if any, of folks like that show up on a political debate forum like this one. It was their changing opinion that turned this country to protect gays, and it is their approval that public discussions are geared towards. Yours was never part of the equation. No one expects it, and no one really wants it.

Am I to assume that you admit that the mainstream media has been actively pushing the homosexual agenda then? :roll:

 

[Andalublue]

And what makes them so certain that they are being constantly bombarded with demands that they accept homosexuals and homosexuality?

True dat.

I really could give a flying f*** whether someone on an internet forum accepts my non-majoritarian sexuality, and believe me, I value flying f***s very highly indeed!