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Democrats are for border security

Kal'Stang said:
Learn what "hostage" means. Then get back to me.
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already did
multiple times
and you are still unable to budge my position
come on back when you are ready to lose another round
 
justabubba said:
already did
multiple times
and you are still unable to budge my position
come on back when you are ready to lose another round
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If you think this is about winning or losing then you've already lost. I don't care about either one. Just facts. And the facts are that hostages are not free to quit their jobs, they're not free to move about in any public space and have no freedom. Those 800k federal employee's still have all of their freedoms. Those are facts. Ones you have yet to dispute.
 
Kal'Stang said:
If you think this is about winning or losing then you've already lost. I don't care about either one. Just facts. And the facts are that hostages are not free to quit their jobs, they're not free to move about in any public space and have no freedom. Those 800k federal employee's still have all of their freedoms. Those are facts. Ones you have yet to dispute.
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hostage takers make the rules
and the hostages follow them
or else


glad you came back to lose yet another round
the door is always open
 
justabubba said:
hostage takers make the rules
and the hostages follow them
or else


glad you came back to lose yet another round
the door is always open
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Hostage takers don't just make the rules, the restrict freedom. That hasn't been done. I get it though. "Any means necessary" right? Corruption of language means nothing to you.
 
Luckyone said:
Democratic representative Clyburn is presently on Bloomberg TV and he is saying the the Democrats are strongly for border security and he clearly stated that the amount of money for such an action is not a problem. Whatever is needed is what he said. Nonetheless, he also said that what needs to happen is for an intelligent study by experts done that would clearly state what are the best ways to protect our borders.

He did say that Trump does not have any credible information about border security and what is the best way to protect our borders and that all he is doing is trying to build the wall so he can fulfill his campaign promise to his base.

He went on to say that the Democrats will not give in to the hostage situation that Trump has created and that they will not talk or give in until the government shut down is over.

I personally believe this makes a lot of common sense, do you?
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Democrats have lied before and they will no doubt lie again. Clyburn says democrats will work with Trump only after he stops forcing them to work with him. Pelosi says they will never work with Trump. Clyburn needs to rethink his position based upon irrefutable facts instead of feel good hopes for the best.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Hostage takers don't just make the rules, they restrict freedom.....
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I imagine not being paid has placed quite a restriction on those affected by Trump's tactics.

Those federal workers and their families are hostages to fortune.



Trump doesn't care about them.


Trump only cares about his ego.


He will never back down and admit defeat.


Congress has to remove him. Thank God we have Nancy Pelosi to stand up to Trump's attempts at dictatorial rule.

Trump needs to learn that the USA is a democracy, not a dictatorship.
 
trouble13 said:
I dont know if we would listen or not. It would depend on the argument they make. That's their problem but if they want to get the gov reopened they to say something other than no wall, no discussion

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Well, the no wall no discussion is what is presently going on and given that Trump is not going to give in to the Democrats, we will be talking about this 3 months down the line. Trump will continue to blame everyone except himself for the problem (he thinks he never is the cause of any problem) and the problem will not be resolved. Terrorists will take this opportunity to come to the U.S. and create deaths, airlines will have to stop flying because there will be no air traffic controllers, people will be dying everywhere because the FDA will have no one to be checking the food we eat, other people will be dying because the have no money with which to buy medicines, and the economy will be tanking because there will be nothing working.

Trump will continue to blame the Democrats and hold his ground because he does not want to lose the support of his base, which will be reduced by about 20% because of those people that were Trump supporters worked for the government and will be having big problems paying their bills. Unemployment will increase because no company will be hiring, especially since the Trade War will continue and billions will be lost.

All of this because of Trump. He did say it was on him, didn't he?
 
joko104 said:
No. It is like a jewelry store leaving it's door open and the jewelry in the display window when the business is closed, claiming they did this because they have a security camera and locking the door and putting the jewelry in a safe would just cause the jewelry to be stolen.

The Democratic Party is wasting $1 billion per day no different than throwing it into a fire - now more money that the entire 300 miles Trump wants to add to the 700 miles of existing Pelosi-Schumer border barrier. The question is not how much will those extra 300 miles cost, but now many billions and billions and billions of dollars will the Democratic Party burn to not have it.
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Sadly, we've discovered Trump is bereft of negotiating skills, and apparently knows he can't open up the the government. If he did, we would get his ass handed to him by Pelosi, and even his base would recognize that the emperor has no clothes. So his only strategy is to throw a temper tantrum and threaten to harm as many people as he can if he doesn't get his way.

The man is a lazy fool who looks to Fox and Friends, Coulter, and Hannity to be told what he should be saying that day.
 
joko104 said:
Most of all, you betray your true opinion in this message contradicting our OP. You claim having a border barrier is "a bad sign," so why have a study other than as a false deception and waste of time and more for pointless delay when the answer is no regardless?
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First of all, I am like all humans, fallible, meaning that I can be wrong as easily as you can be wrong. If proven wrong, I will give in. Nonetheless, unlike you, I have a set of principles that I will not give up given that if I do, I am no better than the lowest person on earth. In addition, I live by God's rule and human judgment is of no interest to me. I will judged by God and whether I go to heaven or hell will be up to him. As such, my principles are more important than anything that any human can offer.

I believe the barrier is a bad sign but security is more important. If it can be proven that the wall will increase security of the nation to the point that there will be no illegal aliens coming in then I will reconsider whether the bad sign is worth the security given. Nonetheless, when I read the stories about 13 young children dug up a tunnel and got into the U.S., when I read how easy it was to cut through the steel flat wall, when I read about the fact that most illegal aliens come in either legally or by other means, and when I read that the wall will increase our debt substantially without offering value and that other things that are more important will have to be cut to build the wall, I lean toward the knowledge I have giving me a good reason for saying it is not worth it.

If you can give me as many good examples of why a wall should be built over the things I stated, I will listen. Until then, you are just one more Trump supporter sucking up to him.
 
cabse5 said:
JUST RESIST TRUMP. Which makes dems not for border security and definitely not for walls.
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No, this is not about just resisting Trump, it is about resisting hostage taking, flimsy whims, uninformed decisions and doing stupid things. Wouldn't you resist those if they applied to you? Would you resist if your wife was taken from you and they asked you to bend over and become their love slave, would you resistance if your kids asked for things that were whims but would hurt them for their future?
 
marke said:
Democrats have lied before and they will no doubt lie again. Clyburn says democrats will work with Trump only after he stops forcing them to work with him. Pelosi says they will never work with Trump. Clyburn needs to rethink his position based upon irrefutable facts instead of feel good hopes for the best.
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Bottom line, the country is being held hostage by Trump and that needs to change before anything is done by anyone. Innocent people should not have to suffer needlessly the whims of one man to resolve an issue. In addition, remember that Trump does not have the votes in his favor to build a wall, meaning that even resolving this issue as a Democracy that we are supposed to be will not give him what he wants. Trump is holding everyone hostage and not listening to the fact that he is NOT IN THE MAJORITY on this.
 
Luckyone said:
Well, the no wall no discussion is what is presently going on and given that Trump is not going to give in to the Democrats, we will be talking about this 3 months down the line. Trump will continue to blame everyone except himself for the problem (he thinks he never is the cause of any problem) and the problem will not be resolved. Terrorists will take this opportunity to come to the U.S. and create deaths, airlines will have to stop flying because there will be no air traffic controllers, people will be dying everywhere because the FDA will have no one to be checking the food we eat, other people will be dying because the have no money with which to buy medicines, and the economy will be tanking because there will be nothing working.

Trump will continue to blame the Democrats and hold his ground because he does not want to lose the support of his base, which will be reduced by about 20% because of those people that were Trump supporters worked for the government and will be having big problems paying their bills. Unemployment will increase because no company will be hiring, especially since the Trade War will continue and billions will be lost.

All of this because of Trump. He did say it was on him, didn't he?
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What do you think trump should do when faced with such a rigid position from the Democrats? He asked for wall funding and they took the position of NO and we wont discuss it either now or in the future. Do you expect him to just accept that answer and rubber stamp whatever Bill's they send him?

Pelosi and Schumer are dug in on appeasing the uber left who are not only opposed to any new border security but are advocating dismantling current security measures.

I'm not sure why your surprised that Trump is taking an extreme position when it's in response to an extreme counter position.


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Luckyone said:
Democratic representative Clyburn is presently on Bloomberg TV and he is saying the the Democrats are strongly for border security and he clearly stated that the amount of money for such an action is not a problem. Whatever is needed is what he said. Nonetheless, he also said that what needs to happen is for an intelligent study by experts done that would clearly state what are the best ways to protect our borders.

He did say that Trump does not have any credible information about border security and what is the best way to protect our borders and that all he is doing is trying to build the wall so he can fulfill his campaign promise to his base.

He went on to say that the Democrats will not give in to the hostage situation that Trump has created and that they will not talk or give in until the government shut down is over.

I personally believe this makes a lot of common sense, do you?
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Nothing moves until Trump and Mitch reopen the government AND KEEP IT OPEN.
Anything else, and the shutdown continues, and by the way, Mr. President might want to be informed that a lot of the folks he ORDERED back to work are about to hoist the middle finger and let him know where he can stuff his orders, they need to EAT.
 
augustus said:
What does the government know about border security? We don't have one! How could they possibly know anything about it? That's the problem with democrats and liberals. You rely on the government for everything. Take the advice of the experts who are actually on the border. Those who are there and seeing everything that's happening. They've already come out and said we desperately need a border.
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The experts who are actually on the border? Ummmm, you do realize that they work for the government and they're working without pay, yes?
 
Luckyone said:
Democratic representative Clyburn is presently on Bloomberg TV and he is saying the the Democrats are strongly for border security and he clearly stated that the amount of money for such an action is not a problem. Whatever is needed is what he said. Nonetheless, he also said that what needs to happen is for an intelligent study by experts done that would clearly state what are the best ways to protect our borders.

He did say that Trump does not have any credible information about border security and what is the best way to protect our borders and that all he is doing is trying to build the wall so he can fulfill his campaign promise to his base.

He went on to say that the Democrats will not give in to the hostage situation that Trump has created and that they will not talk or give in until the government shut down is over.

I personally believe this makes a lot of common sense, do you?
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Nonsense.



800,000 Govt Workers could be paid. 1M "Dreamers" could be Legal. 330M Americans could be protected. By Tuesday. Pelosi says No.
 
trouble13 said:
What do you think trump should do when faced with such a rigid position from the Democrats? He asked for wall funding and they took the position of NO and we wont discuss it either now or in the future. Do you expect him to just accept that answer and rubber stamp whatever Bill's they send him?

Pelosi and Schumer are dug in on appeasing the uber left who are not only opposed to any new border security but are advocating dismantling current security measures.

I'm not sure why your surprised that Trump is taking an extreme position when it's in response to an extreme counter position.


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First of all, open the government as that should not be part of the deal. Then, if he can't get the votes for more, then yes "accept it". This is still a Democracy and 60 votes are needed so if he does not have them, then act like the President of a Democracy. The Democrats have offered $1.3 so take that offer.
 
Luckyone said:
First of all, open the government as that should not be part of the deal. Then, if he can't get the votes for more, then yes "accept it". This is still a Democracy and 60 votes are needed so if he does not have them, then act like the President of a Democracy. The Democrats have offered $1.3 so take that offer.
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No

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Luckyone said:
First of all, open the government as that should not be part of the deal. Then, if he can't get the votes for more, then yes "accept it". This is still a Democracy and 60 votes are needed so if he does not have them, then act like the President of a Democracy. The Democrats have offered $1.3 so take that offer.
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That's how a Democrat president would think.


Or any half-way decent GOP president.


But this is Trump.
Decency is not in his armory.
 
Luckyone said:
Bottom line, the country is being held hostage by Trump and that needs to change before anything is done by anyone. Innocent people should not have to suffer needlessly the whims of one man to resolve an issue. In addition, remember that Trump does not have the votes in his favor to build a wall, meaning that even resolving this issue as a Democracy that we are supposed to be will not give him what he wants. Trump is holding everyone hostage and not listening to the fact that he is NOT IN THE MAJORITY on this.
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Global warming chicken little's cousin, chicken-sh++ Trump-hating leftists are opposed to border security as long as Trump is involved. The chicken-sh++ moronic mob has seized control of the media and the US government and has blamed their group intransigent childish stubbornness on Trump. Thankfully our Commander-in-Chief is not falling for their childish tactics.
 
marke said:
Global warming chicken little's cousin, chicken-sh++ Trump-hating leftists are opposed to border security as long as Trump is involved. The chicken-sh++ moronic mob has seized control of the media and the US government and has blamed their group intransigent childish stubbornness on Trump. Thankfully our Commander-in-Chief is not falling for their childish tactics.
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Yeah, and the world is flat, according to marke
 
Luckyone said:
Yeah, and the world is flat, according to marke
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Not according to me. The world may be flat in small superficial increments but if you are accusing me of believing the entire earth is not mostly round then you are lying.
 
ludin said:
In december the house republicans sent a funding bill to the senate to approve. right after midnight schumer and the democrats in the senate filibustered the bill.
this lead to the government shut down.

sorry you don't like facts but those are the facts no matter how much you want to ignore it.
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Got a link to prove that? I looked it up, found nothing.
 
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